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Try it mailtrap.io today. That's M-A-I-L-T-R-A-P.io. And back to that episode. What's up, everybody? Welcome to Whiskey Web and Whatnot with your hosts, Robbie the Wagner and Adam Thomas Argyle, the nerd. What's up, fellow nerds? Let's talk about AI. Yeah, you know what you can't spell without AI? America. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Nice. We just had the Wheeler episode air too, where I was talking about Wheeler being America's fuck yeah, Dev. That was really fun to say. Yeah. So, I mean, we're, we're right near America's 250th anniversary. So I thought we would mention it for a second, but yeah, I don't really have a lot to say about it.
I think it's fun. If you've been watching all of the, the algae drama, yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, somebody had a really good comment that I was just reading through all of the like trolling and one of them was like, hey, have they tried giving like all of the hydrogen peroxide to one algae and seeing if it'll trickle down to the other one? I was like, oh God, this is, I love, I love people when they have smart replies, but we have this to celebrate America. It is barrel bourbons batch 38. I don't know what that means at all. I guess have they had 37 before it? Maybe. But don't know either.
Yeah. I looked up all of the stuff about it and I didn't realize it said it all right on the front. But it's it's a blend of bourbons. Kentucky 12 year Indiana 9 and 10 year Tennessee 12 and 15 year and Maryland 8 year. It is 116.96 proof. um and the mash bill i have notes somewhere i don't know if i opened them where are you uh 79 corn 17 rye and 4 malted barley and we're talking about the whiskey just a tiny bit i'm gonna do it as quick as i can but i'm doing it first because i always forget about it last so we're doing it now smells good oh dude i tried pappy this week oh yeah I did. I did it.
I did the Pappy. Do you think it was overrated? Mm-hmm. I did, but I'm glad I tried it. Hey, this is good. Good spice. It smells like good cherries, grape and strawberry to me. Like not real grape and strawberry, but like candy. Oh man, I did just get a gnarly whiff though. Didn't love that. Maybe it's young. Yeah. So I got the right glass, right? This is the bourbon one. I wasn't sure. This is the bourbon one. Okay. Yeah. I was like happy. Hey, I get to put a bourbon in there. Yeah. Which I don't know if anyone can see the bottom as we tip it up, but we have Denver and Lylee glassware. Yes. New, uh, FD.
This glassware is a real boy. Yep. Hand blown too. You can tell cause I tried to fit them into certain spots and they all didn't go into the same spots. And I was like, Hey, they're not the same. I was like, Oh, well it's cause they're handmade. Brilliant. Ooh, this has some, Oh wow. Okay. That must be the blend of a lot of stuff. It was like, that's the blend of a lot of stuff. A lot of, a lot of different ways. Oh, there's the Tennessee. Okay. Yeah, you're right. Lola Tennessee is trailing a little sweet, um, maple charcoal. Ooh, something. I mean, these are all old, but they feel something has the same, like, I forget what words you use that.
Like, like eating a tree, kind of like getting a little of that. Um, um, Yeah. What was that? Vegetable. Vegetables? Yes. That's veggie vibes. Yeah, it's grassy at times. Yeah, that is interesting, though. Yeah, because they're all between eight and 15 years. So why am I getting such a youthful smell? And then a little bit of grassiness in there. I don't know. Must have been where they were stored. All right. So let's rate it. Our system is super complex. Zero to eight tentacles. Zero being the worst, eight being the best. What do you think? Six and a half, maybe less, actually. Maybe I'll go six and a quarter.
All right. Yeah, I actually I'm a big barrel fan and I'm not a fan of this one. So like to clarify, it's not bad. Like if you're looking for a whiskey, that's not bad. You won't be disappointed. But compared to the amazingness of all the other barrel ones, I don't love this one. So I'm going to give it a four, I think. Damn. Take that barrel bourbon. Oh, dude. I just saw I'll log this here in a second of my open clock, but I'm at 105 whiskeys now that I've tried. Nice. My average rating is 6.2 or something like that. So I guess I just confirmed that given that same rating as my average. But yeah, I'm trying to go lower because I always tend to go six or up unless there's something really bad about it.
But now it's like I've had so many. OK, the bar is higher now. You got to got to come to play. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, dang. It has been a while since we've like just been us talking about like what we're doing day to day and all the AI stuff going on. I have just the notes I have are out of control for today. I don't know how much we're going to get to, but yeah, man. Yeah, a lot has happened. I feel like my day to day changes every day. I think I told you sometime recently. So we have a limit to how much AI we can use now at work. Um, we went from, yeah, we went from unlimited, which was great to, uh, everybody has a thousand dollars a month and I'm watching my single instance of open code, which has a counter at the bottom.
That's over a thousand dollars. And I'm like, Hmm, this is going to be bad. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, And, uh, yeah, so it's a problem because a lot of the stuff we're doing is, um, like some green field agentic stuff, um, which I can't go into a ton of details on, but like, you know, there's not a lot of people working on it.
So it's super important that we have a lot of agents to help us. So when we don't have that, it's like, um, I don't know how we're going to release this. But yeah, I think the subsidized infinite tokens are drying up. Are they at your company as well? Or is it you still have in the whatever you want? They are not. No, it's whatever we want. In fact, brand new models showing up on the daily. Today was Fireworks, which I hadn't heard of, which apparently is like a GLM something combo. And people are happy with it. So people are not only infinitely trying whatever they want, They get all the models and I don't know how they compare them all that.
Like, are they taking the same task and giving it to four models and seeing which one did it better? I'm not really sure. But yeah, we don't have a limit yet. And I did, I met and chatted with the number one token maxing person at Shopify who was like, they just kind of casually dropped it. They were like, yeah, I'm number one at the company first. I bet number one is like 10 X number two. Like it's probably nowhere close. It's a lot. And the thing that's interesting with this cat, though, is he's not token maxing just to token max. He's just genuinely curious and constantly. I also don't think he has kids.
Just constantly hammering on it. You know, it's just like every whim and every thought is just like new thread, new thread, new line, new fork that I'm going. Like, here we go. A million miles an hour. Super nice dude, though. So it was interesting to hear that. How did you get there? And then he gets accused by like high up leaders like, hey, can you stop token maxing? And he's like, I'm not just token maxing. I am getting a lot of shit done and you need to get off me. You said people should go out and use these things on max effort. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, um, we did have a coverage. Oh, go ahead.
Yeah. I was in, I'm in the top 20. I don't know where my location is, but I'm like, okay, I don't, I don't know what my historical spend was cause it wasn't counting it until like the, the co-pilot licenses changed. Um, I don't know what they did before, but now they like actually like usage count up money just like, you know, most of them tend to do these days. Um, and, And so I was, yeah, I think I've probably used a couple thousand in the last 30 days-ish, which doesn't sound that high. Like maybe it is for co-pilot usage because IBM also has Bob that everybody kind of uses, I think. Yeah. I don't know, but I thought it was weird.
Like I was like, Hey, I bet everybody on this new team I'm working with is in this top 20 because like that doesn't seem that high. Like I would bet your number one is probably using well over a thousand a day would be my guess. Not a day, but well over a thousand a week. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So it's not as exponentially bad as I thought. Yeah, I don't think they're like looping all day like they're genuinely trying to get stuff done and they write, you know, a lot of loops and a lot of schedules and a lot of other things to kind of help them kick that all off. But, you know, well, I hadn't used work trees until recently because I needed to do several competing things and that really helps you burn through tokens faster.
It sure does. Yeah. Everyone's like, how do you have so many agents open? You're like, I got a lot of work trees. So that way they don't stump on each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was interesting because I used to have coworkers that would like, I don't think they used WorkTrees, but they just like checked out the repo like 10 times and like that could switch branches that way or whatever. But WorkTrees have been around for a while, right? Or are they new? Yeah. Yeah. No, I think they've been around for a while. Just they caught on when people finally needed it. Yeah. You really didn't need it before because...
You were like, hey, I have a lot of work to do. I don't need to be working on something else also. Single thing at a time. Yeah. It was only code reviews where like the branches really got annoying. You were like, ah, crap. I just checked out that other code review and then I had to do a build to get it all up to date. And now I got NPM and stuff from this one because they added a package. Ah, that gets really annoying. But it was only mildly annoying. And now it's like super annoying. So, yeah. But yeah, we will see how that unfolds. I have an exception to my spend for the next couple months, so I don't have to worry about it for a bit.
But it's going to be a real drag when I'm in like, you know, real normal, no deadlines work land. I'll be like, oh, I guess I'm done with work for the month. I'll see you in a couple weeks. Yeah, that's always happens in Shopify, too. They're like, Claude's down, you know, Codex is down, guess we can't work. Everybody loves it. Or wouldn't get Hubs down. Hey, Claude. Yeah, it was having trouble today. Like... It was this morning. OpenCode and Claude at different times were just like... They said they were doing things, but if you went and tried to run something else, it was like, oh, I disconnected a long time ago.
And it's like, okay. Dang, I ran into my limit on my $100 plan last night, and the only other time I'd done that was with Fable. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, you never know. I think it's almost always when I continue on one single thread for too long that I start hitting my limits. Because I'm usually just like new, new. I'll just open up a new tab, new. Because it's usually better the closer it is to the vanilla model. Yeah, when it's compacting several times, you're just screwed. It's going to cost a lot. Yeah, it's going to cost a lot. Yep, totally agree. Did we talk about Fable? I can't remember when we...
last I think we like brought it up with Brad and we talked about the snap snip snap and he told us that he wasn't snipped uh but I don't know if we dove that much into fable Yeah. I don't know. I mean, the teal, I used it for like eight hours maybe because I didn't know it was going to get pulled. So I wasn't just using it nonstop. Yeah. And I refactored like all of my things. I was like, hey, this thing that I built like six years ago, make it completely latest version of Ember running on Vite. It was like, boom, there it is. And I was like, all right, sick. Then I was like, all right, make this, make my personal website be Astro because fuck Next.js.
And I was like, all right, here you go. I was like, sick. Yeah. damn nice yeah so like everything was just working really well i had it like restyle i was like hey um you know make me something that looks better that's more native app like for uh my so the the thing that i was restyling was um and working on is the thing to talk to your dog um so it like analyzes dog barks and tells you the meaning and stuff Um, and yeah, so I was trying to make it have like more fun animation. So like if you released it as an actual app, it would be like fun to like tap on and stuff. Didn't quite get there, but got better than I had.
So, um, yeah. I don't know. What did you use it for that worked out for you? Yeah, I was in Amsterdam at CSS Day. So I was like with humans all day, couldn't just chill with agents. And so when I got back to my room, I put it on night shifts. And so I would just like try to give it a big enough job that it would churn all night and wake up. And so, yeah, it ran for an hour and 45 minutes on my Pocket Battles MMO app that I've been using. Specking is mostly a big, huge spec. But at this point, there's a back end that you can spin up if you like. Two back ends, because one is like God mode, admin mode.
Another one is the back end that actually runs all the services that connects everybody. There's multiple front ends, which are the different client apps, Android, iOS, and then a web view. And then a whole bunch of complex simulations. And so I asked it to balance all the characters, because that was one thing I needed to do. They all have... specific roles and and i wanted them to be kind of equal so that like there's not one person that just goes around pwning everybody um and then to go look at all the back-end services and look for issues like check the database look at the look for slowness look for security vulnerabilities i prompted it that way you know like go make this whole thing better there's got to be ways to improve it and everything that you do right back to the spec like make sure that there's
um, harmony between the spec and the implementation and work, you know, bi-directionally until those things are aligned and feeling solid. And it did a great job. I also put it on a physics engine that I've been working on for probably seven years, uh, that, uh, now it does, uh, relative additive physics animations. So if you, if you, animate something from here to there if it's a long way it goes a different speed than if it's a short way which is one of the first value adds that it did right it's like it's knowledgeable about what is your mass and you need to reach a destination that changes the easing it's there's actually no concept of easing in it um or duration the whole thing is powered by what are the tensions and the physical properties of the elements yeah
But now, as you send it to another destination and you interrupt it, it doesn't just jerk its way there like a 90-degree angle towards the destination. It takes the momentum that it had, carries it across, back towards the destination, and then will even carry that over so you can continue retargeting it And it continues bringing the momentum forward. And then you can change how much, you know, those arcs are formed. Like if you want a nice quick jagged jump, like it's some sort of speed runner, you could do that too. But if you wanted it to be kind of lazy and heavy, you could define those properties also in
uh, it added all sorts of cool things. And that's been one of my fun, like that was the first time I made a team. I was like, Oh, Claude came out with teams. I'm like, cool. Physicist starting point mathematician, you know, what are all the people that would totally be involved in a physics engine to make it actually good. And I like spawn them all up and then the designer and like a front end developer to like make it desirable. Um, and it made all sorts of enhancements from performance enhancements to, uh, made things more succinct. So I got the same job done with less code. So ultimately, I was very impressed with Fable.
I didn't feel like it was twice as good as Opus 4.8, like the charts make it look like. I feel like it's not any better. It's just like a better harness. Like it was just way better at like not being like, all right, I edited five files for this. I got to take a breather and ask you a question. It was like just cranking through stuff. Like it just knew what it was doing. It didn't make like as many assumptions and hallucinate on random shit. Like it was just, it just felt like a better opus. I agree that it wasn't like, you know, infinitely magical, but it was just like, you could just crank through stuff, which was really nice.
Yeah. Yeah. Have you seen people, too, that are now like you can get Fable like quality from you just need multiple models to debate these things? Yeah. Fusion API or whatever flavor. Here it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't tried any of that yet. Have you tried that? Um, I've done lots of quorums and lots of competing strategies before and they've been fine. And I generally, I would tell someone to always do that. Even if you've got fable, make, make three fables compete against each other. Do you think fable will go against psychologist or a psychiatrist, I guess, whatever the, like the person who cares about Claude's feelings.
Do you think they like build in some sort of thing that's like, Hey, I'm, I talked to open AI and they said, this is the answer. Do you think it goes, Oh, you talk to them. I need to be like really good about like shitting on them. Or does it not? I don't know. That's a fun question though. I don't know. I don't know like what its deep inner thoughts and preferences and biases are against stuff like that. They usually take things pretty face value so you can steer them. So it's kind of interesting that you can even have an Oracle and a bunch of researchers anyway. It's weird that they chat, but apparently that's how it works internally anyways.
It's having chats with itself as if you were there. You know, it's kind of simulating the back and forth that we all created in it for years. you know, a year and all of a sudden they're like, oh, we can make it seem smarter if it does the things that they were already doing. Which seems to be the premise of a lot of these enhancements right now and just a lot of people's changing of the way that they work with AIs. If you've prompted something twice, it's time to turn that into something recreatable. You shouldn't be prompting twice. You need to recognize that this is something that you constantly want out of it and build that into, that's the loops.
Loops are not even just loops, I feel like. I think they're sets of... things that people want. They're like, when you do this, then do this, then do this, then do this. This is my core thing. And then I want you to actually do it again. That way we get this sort of like multi phased, heavily articulated, lots of expectations, you know, like not necessarily evals, but I have expectations about all these outputs. Don't move forward unless those are true. Yeah. I think we're all just getting better results. This is the same thing we'd want out of people, right? If I'm a manager, I'm going to be like, all right, team, first, I need you to make sure it actually works before you go write a whole bunch of tests for it, because otherwise, you know, that's kind of weird.
Or go write your tests first, but also make sure the tests are good. Like, you can't just like one shot, one shot, one shot. There has to be review cycles built into these things. And I've been heavily telling my agent to open up a browser. I'm like, do not tell me it's done unless you've opened up a browser. In fact, open up all three. I taught it this week. Open up the simulators. Open it up in mobile Safari. Open it up in the Shopify app. Go to the web views that I know that this thing is used in. As if you scroll, stuff will just disappear. Yeah. But yeah, all of my daily tasks, I'm just like making them recreatable and agents are doing it.
So I'm like really baking my tribal knowledge right into it. So when you're doing all that, like I think the thing that makes it useful and work better is not the fact that it's like a loop or a, whatever the hot word for today is. It's like, it's that you're baking in deterministic pieces. Yeah. Like the problem I have is I go, all right, I've got an MCP server for this thing I'm doing. Right. And it knows about everything. So here you go. Hook it up. Now we're just going to prompt like normal and you should know about these pieces and use them. it's like less than 50 50 that it like asks the MCP server anything.
Or like if you have a big folder of skills that it decides to go, Oh yeah, this one seems like the thing we were talking about and reads it. However, if you manually invoke something with like a slash, whatever, then you get to use it directly. And it's like, you know, works. So I think that is the piece, the missing piece for like general betterness of all the things is like if the harnesses could better know which skills and MCPs to read and use when and not just skip that step all the time. Like I feel like a lot of times I'm like, oh, hey, you did this wrong. Did you read the skill that was specifically made for this task we're doing that you said you would always remember to use when I use these words to ask you about this?
It's like, No. Damn it. So yeah, I guess all that to say, I wanted to just clarify, like when you're doing the loops and stuff, you do have it explicitly invoking a certain set of things, right? It's not like looping through a prompt that's like fuzzy. No, this is also why I kind of, I rarely have skills, um, because I like to custom tailor whatever my current request is. Like I have, um, mental templates I think would be a better model. And sometimes I write them down in like a Google doc, but it's pretty rare. Um, at this point I'm like, I have a very clear expectation of what I want it to do because it was, it's going to do whatever I was going to do.
Like I need to go verify something. Here's how I would verify it. Here's the steps to verify. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And they're always just a little bit different. So I feel like skills try to... This is the tension of abstraction versus, you know, some sort of function that just does the one thing. You can write one function that does it great, but it only solves the one problem. Or you can go write five functions that are all abstract and they can solve it in composition. However, the way that they got to the end is... just a little bit harder to follow sometimes. And I find myself leaning with AI towards building these things on the fly and just building up the mental models and the templates in my verbiage.
That's how I get such good designs out of things. Like I had you try impeccable today. Yeah. And impeccable, I've just got this like art direction. It's just like words that I know invoke the thing that I want. And, uh, always custom tailored for every little thing that I want. So I've never made the same website, but I keep using impeccable. Uh, and it's just, it's just the mental model. It's like, I'm sitting down and trying to describe it to someone. Um, and, But that's just my way. I don't know what the right way is. Yeah. So I used impeccable today and it was way more in depth than I thought it would be.
Like asked a lot of questions. You got grilled meat, right? You got like the Matt Pokok grill meat, but it was your design system. Yeah, but it was it was very like... ambiguous language. I'm trying to remember what it was. It was like, here's three choices. Right. And it was like, the first one is like, uh, you know, we, we're a very light layer where the video shines through and it's all about content and the UI fades away into the background. And then the we're very flexible. We style ourselves to the show that we're consuming. We're like trying to like, and then the next one was like, we're a dimly lit stage for this.
Like what? And I was like, what the, so I was like, Hey, like chat with me was the option I pitched. And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, can you tell me like what these mean? And it was like, Oh my bad. Like, and then it actually described like what it meant by that. And I was like, God, you should have just said that to begin with. But yeah, But once we got all of that together, it was like, cool, here's like, it was four or five different ways of doing it from like basically taking the same style, but adding video in moving a couple things and like making it look OK. all the way to like ambitious, like restyle the whole thing type of stuff.
And it basically said, like, we asked the experts. I don't know. It like just has a bunch of agents or something that it uses as experts. And it's like, Hey, um, the experts thought the really ambitious one was too ambitious. So like, we should probably do one of the other ones. And I was like, cool. I just want to add video for now anyway. So like, We did that when we took the like little spike that I did where it just had like a video that showed up and now it like uses the episode art as the thumbnail. You can click that. You can like it gives you a expandable and collapsible video that you can like full screen with normal HTML5 video shit and everything.
Cool. And it just works and you can switch between audio and video. Yeah. Yeah. So it like it did a good job. I do want to do some of the ambitious ones and spend my my max tokens and just see what we can get. Because, yeah, I do think that left scrollable thing and right scrollable thing are like while it's different and kind of cool is like unintuitive and kind of like, I don't know, it feels a little crufty now. So I'm interested what it can do. It has some room to grow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, very cool. The way that you were describing that, remember in Silicon Valley when the designer shows up and is trying to pitch the box?
Remember this scene at all? I forget all the specifics of Silicon Valley, but... Oh my goodness. I can't unsee it in my mind. He puts up this picture of this atmospheric scene. It's like mountains with steam and mist rolling over the sides. And then he goes and plays this jungle music, and it's like... and he's like okay so imagine and they're like we just want to see it's it's about fucking design we're looking at 2d screens like why why are you setting a jungle scene you know and he's like shh You just got to let this wash over you. And it's just so funny. So, yeah, what you were saying reminds me a lot of that.
Yeah. Did you try the unpickable part where it creates multiple variants of a thing and then you just hit left and right arrows that are like live on your site? You got the little overlay in. So this would be in StarPod. And you can like. So maybe I picked the wrong option, but that's what I wanted. I was like, build these four or five things and I would like to actually see all of them. But it didn't show me them. It built them all and said it showed it to experts. And the experts thought the first one was the recommended. So I was like, that's fine. Let's do the first one. There's a really cool way that it will integrate with your Vite build system.
So that when you run Vite, all of a sudden you get these design tools kind of things that pop up. You can select an element. and then make a prompt and it will create variants and it'll be like one of four. And you're like, I think I want to see that where you could be like select an element and be like, change this one or whatever. Yeah. And I don't think I chose that one. I chose the less like, which is fun. Is that one like, I forgot, I don't know what they're all called, but whichever they were like from the first one, I think was like, basically do it all for me. Don't ask me anything. Just finish it.
Then the next one was like, make five different ones. Ask me a few things and I'll tell you. And then maybe the next one was like, look at it live. Like I think I picked the middle one. So I need to try the next one. Very cool stuff. Yeah, I've been thoroughly enjoying that. And so like my little Shopify store I've been building, I now have it. So I think I told you every hour I was getting art made for me, logos made for me, icons made for me, and I would just go review them. Now I have it making designs. So it's full page designs. I have all these pages that I have to do. I have a policies page.
I have an about page. I have... numerous pages that need to be made. And I'm like sitting there super overwhelmed. I'm like, how am I ever going to make all these pages? And I'm like, oh, shit, let me just make a loop. The same sort of thing where I schedule these things every hour. I've got multiple agents to go build these. At first, they build them as an image. Then once I've refined the image enough, I'm like, cool. Now go build it in HTML and CSS because I want to see the mobile and the desktop. I want to open it. I want to try the animations. There's a lot to go from once there's a picture that we agreed on.
And then after that, it builds it right into the hydrogen site, makes a PR, and I start seeing it live, like in a production environment. And it's just been really nice for me because I just keep getting presented with ideas and I mostly say no. And sometimes I give it some art direction. Usually the art direction is like, hey, you're it's pretty boring what you're doing. And I need you to like get more exciting. Um, and, but eventually like, that's the thing though, is the more I invest in this, the better results I'm getting over and over. So just like the art, I'm now getting really cool art out of these things.
Um, but it took 800 different art pieces. Yeah. And so I'm waiting for that with the design skills right now, where I'm just like building up this corpus of yes and no. Is it just about the language? I have it in like, does the yes or no, um, yeah. have like a line it writes to some sort of memory that's like this sort of thing is not what we want or does it actually like store reference images to then like when it makes a new thing compared to and see like did this fit the style or like do you know how that works or. Yeah, it keeps the prompt around and all of the context that it did to make the thing that I said yes or no to.
And so when I say yes, and sometimes I'll say yes, and I'll be like, here's the things I liked about it. And here's the things I didn't. And it will go section those off and basically promote those in the next version. Because I also have a lot of randomness built in there. I'm like, I want to constantly be surprised. And I don't want you to just please me. I want you to like... challenge me and these things too um and so all of these things get built up with like a score mechanism that helps it know what it is that i'm actually working towards um but yeah that's why i call it like tinder for algos uh because i'm just getting these like things that i'm just like no swipe swipe oh that was fine swipe that way um and that's about as much time as i have to devote to some of this stuff and it's been kind of liberating um
and it feels very powerful right i feel like i literally have employees like doing work for me right now um but also i'm backed up i haven't checked any of the designs that they've made today so i'm at some point need to sit down i'm gonna have 25 pages to go review and just be like sucks sucks sucks oh shit that was actually kind of cool sucks sucks but it's fun being in that role like that yeah it's much better than when i was grueling over that myself um Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have to do a lot more of this for sure. This is a problem I have with everything is that like anytime somebody tells me something is really cool, I don't immediately go check it out.
But then like months and months later I do it and I'm like, that was pretty cool. Like if you're like, oh, this show is a good show to watch. I'd be like, cool, cool. I hear you. I'm not going to go watch it. But then I'll think about it months later and go, oh, I should watch it. So yeah, I'm like, I'm experiencing all these things now. Maybe just as I'm having more and more time and my like job is becoming more and more actually agentic versus just like I was just using it to speed me up before and still kind of coding a little, but now it's just like fully doing nothing. I'm literally watching my Shopify computer right now spin up browsers and test a very foundational feature I'm changing to admin.
I'm talking like the foundation of the stadium. And every day we learn things how the stadium got fucked up from what I changed. And so we take the learnings and we always roll forward. And I have a local test suite that will just check this against everything we've ever failed against before, making sure that we only enhance every code change that we make never regresses anything. And that is just and it's going to take it 45 minutes to get through my test suite right now. And that's. Super exciting. And it's also babysitting three PRs to making sure that they pass CI. So if there's any agentic complaints, if there's any failed tests somewhere, it's all looped in there.
I'm not as hardcore as the open clock cat, though. He basically points it at just like... the issues repository. I'm, I, I'm actually surprised more CEOs aren't doing that right now, that they're not just saying, Hey, our entire fucking backlog at every single ticket, I'm just going to spin AI on it all day, every day. And then I'll spin up AI to review those things and just see where the wind takes us. Um, cause it's kind of tempting. You're like, it'll do it. You know, like, I don't know if it's good or bad. It will do it. So I think all of the core principles still hold true. And if you're not telling it to build it like a good engineer would, then you will end up with sloppity slop.
Like, you know, We have a big problem with, you know, you can generate a whole new like, all right, here's a design system, right? Here's like 20 components. I want this new page. Maybe everything doesn't exist in the design system, but build it. It's like, cool. Well, I'm going to use React because like, of course, you're going to use React. And like, let's build it all. I'm going to custom style it. Maybe I'm just copying and pasting the styles straight from the design system in. Because why would I reuse those design system components? I just want to build this page for you. Right. And like, then also cool.
It works, right? You, you clicked through it. It does what you want. All right. Zero tests to make sure that it stays that way. Like it doesn't do the things you need to like build a good product unless you explicitly ask it to. Um, and so if you're just, if you're like a, I don't know how in the weed CEOs are, but if you're like not, not that technical or whatever, there's no way that you wouldn't just fuck it all up from like doing that. Like you need those like, uh, guardrails and tests and stuff. But if like, I'm firmly of the camp, if you have really good test coverage or even not, it doesn't have to be like, click this, do this test.
But if you have like. If you're comfortable with playwright snapshots and it matching that, that's super easy. That's a check that takes zero extra effort to do. And you should always have that because that's how I'm doing all of my development right now. It's like, I don't know how this app works. I don't know. React. All right. Playwright. Take that picture. Does the picture look kind of the same? Yeah. All right. All right. Yeah, I think that's a good check. And I think that's why you have Matt Pocock right now telling everyone like, hey, your skills are not as valuable as your harness. Because what you're talking about right now, like my work harness has I've stashed enough memories in there that it knows that.
Well, there's it's hard to explain. There's just multiple things I've prompted it so many times ago. OK, at this point, like I need you to basically always do this. Stick it in your memory. And then I don't have to keep reprompting it. And you have this thing that you're building a relationship with. This is also like the Microsoft CEO is talking about as well. You've got to get into a scenario where every day this thing is better. If it's not getting better every day, then the tribal knowledge that you're all pouring into this machine is just pouring out the sides. You have to get into a scenario where it saves and gets stronger and better.
Yeah. So yeah, I think that's where we're all headed. That's why Matt Paucock is telling you, invest in your harness. Got other people telling you, invest in memory systems. This one-off prompt life that we're in is very short-lived, I feel like. Maybe even this loop life that we're in, it feels powerful, but I think we're headed towards the It's another implementation life. This detail to me, like if you're in the harness game, which I think everyone is because the models, like everyone can run whatever model they want on their desk in the next six months for sure. So, uh, you're not in the model game anymore.
You're in the harness game and like the harness should know, okay, I've, I'm kind of keeping track of my own memory. Like Claude has some memory. Like, um, I realize every day you're asking me like, do this like every couple hours, like. maybe this is something we should loop on. Would you like me to auto make a loop that just kind of does this for you all the time? Like it should be noticing those things. Um, and that's like, yeah, like all of these things to me are implementation details. Not that I'm not going to attempt to do it and like try it out sometimes, but like, All of them have been, it's like a, God, I don't know what words I'm trying to say here.
It's like a beta, right? It's like, here's this beta and everyone's like, cool, if I really care, I'm going to try it. And then like eventually it just makes it into the core system. Like all of these things have been put in the core system. The things that are cool and new, a month or two later, it just happens for you. You don't have to care. So I think that's what we're doing. They test it out and if it goes well, they just bake it in. Yeah. Remember when software used to just steal other people's software, like the backbone of Microsoft was like they didn't invent anything. They just kind of kept stealing and baking, stealing and baking.
The thing you can really do now. Yeah, they're doing it now with AI, right? You've got the hey, is that popular? All right. We've got it now. Ralph Wiggum? Yeah, we'll just call it Slash Loop. Auto Research? It's called Goal. Yeah, everybody's getting gobbled, and you can gobble up another concept way faster than you ever could before. Well, not just that, but you can use all these things to take an app. I saw a tweet about this is a way you should make money, and honestly, I'm upset that I haven't done it already, but you go to this site that's monthly recurring revenue content, dot AI dot fake dot blah, blah, blah.
I don't know. And it gives you a list of like companies and their recurring revenue. You just go to their site and go, Hey, clone this app. And then you like sell the same thing for like a 10th of the price. And like, yeah, it's not going to make you like rich on the one thing because you just copied a thing and you did it less good. But if you get, you know, thousand people to give you a dollar a month or whatever for like, and you do that for like a hundred apps, suddenly you're rich as fuck. I've seen those plays too where people are like, you don't have to have one app that goes big. You could have 50 small apps that are all just doing fine and you're still in big old money territory.
Yep. Yeah, I also know it's not that easy. Just keeping one app alive is still tough even with these agents. But I don't know. Maybe these folks are genuinely, completely hands-off and they're just token spending a lot and just letting things cycle and they just don't care because it's just money and... I don't know. I just, I still, I feel very involved into the things that I build. Still, I have, uh, quality expectations. I have things that I like, I taste, I have preference. And so like, I'm just like maybe the wrong person, uh, to be in that sort of scenario. But like kudos to people who are doing that.
I don't know. You can get those folks in and maintain it. So that's not a cockroach motel or other dark patterns and doing okay. Yeah. All right. I want to steer us a little bit because we tend to just ramble about the stuff we're doing, which is not bad. But like, did you see the mid journey medical stuff? Hell yeah. I want to dip my ass in that. Yeah. I'll get naked and get in that yellow light. I'm like, as long as the water is not yellow. I'm like, you dip me in. I don't care. Water can be yellow. It's fine. No, it's I think this is going to be like a few dollars per time. And it's like. The accurate.
What is that sheep? Yeah, it's like going to be in part of it's not like a doctor thing. It's going to be like a wellness club. So they'll have like workout classes and then you go get like full body scanned and it's like just casually better than like a one hour MRI or whatever. So it's like, wow, that just totally like, hey, sorry, GE or whoever makes MRI machines. Yeah, that was a cool play. I'm waiting for jackass to get into it, though. You know, they're like, swallow a RC car or whatever they did. Do you remember when they ate a car and they went in? They're like, something's in my belly and it's weird.
And the guy's like, is that a Hot Wheels? I did not see that one, but that does sound like something they would do. Yeah, it's. But yeah, I'm super down. I thought it was a really interesting pivot. Yeah. You want to get into imaging? And you know what the one that like keeps freaking me out is I go to the airport and they scan your bag and I'm like, why the fuck are humans looking at my bag? Like, do you know how many bags at this point they could have trained an image to just like I don't think they do anymore. Superbly good at that. Like if you look at their screen, it has the picture and every item is circled in like a green or red thing.
And the ones that are red, they have to review. So it's like if they know this is a hairdryer, then they go, all right, skip that one. But if they're like the thing that gets me every time is if you bring like a stack of stickers or business cards, they're like, that's drugs. And it flags it. What's in that baggie? What you got on that bag? I'm like, it's like 200 business cards. And like, all right, we got to rub this shit on here to make sure it's not 200 like drug cards. I'm like, all right, whatever. Yeah. Oh, man, I got hardcore filled up in Amsterdam on my way home. I guess it's like, I don't know, I got a new tattoo and I have an eyebrow piercing or something.
But he looks at me. He's like, oh, yeah, you're going to I'm stopping you. And then it wasn't just like a cat. This was like the most aggressive, like all over. He touched my butthole. He was I was like, I just got abused by this man. If this is what women have to go through, I just I have a brand new sense of empathy because he's. That was crazy. And I'm like, I'm not even hiding anything, dude. I went through your scanner. I'm like, I don't know what you thought I was hiding up in that spot. But okay. Jeez. Third nugget. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I only had one time that they were like, our scanner said we need to pat you down or whatever.
But it wasn't as aggressive as you're describing. Yeah. You get the light pat. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. Have you seen that meme too that went around Twitter for a while? There's like the guy in front of the stadium. He's letting people in and he's not even touching. He's like, yeah, yeah, okay, you can go in. It's not, yeah, yeah, okay. Pretty funny. It's like people doing vibe. I think it was shared because that's how people are doing PR reviews. Oh, yeah. They're vibe checking. We're not, so we vibe code and then we vibe check. And... Well, I think that's the big problem is like, because you can agentically do stuff, you can throw up a PR that's like 50 plus files really quick.
And then I'm not going to look at all of that. Like, no one's looking at all of that. Um, I mean, I do, I, I skim it. If I, if anything, you know, as I'm skimming it, I go like, Oh, that's super wrong. Then I'll look at the rest more in depth, but like, otherwise I'm like, no red flags. We're cool. Um, yeah, Yeah. And honestly, um, got your co-pilot is not, not super good at reviews. Code rabbit is very good. Unfortunately, I don't get to use code rabbit anywhere except for open source stuff because nobody's paying them. Sorry, code rabbit. So people should be paying you. Um, but yeah, co-pilot is on everything.
So we pay for co-pilot like everywhere. And it's like, Hey, uh, this, um, could be this. And you're like, Why? Why did you say that? Like most of the time it's like completely, it's not that it's wrong. Like it'll flag stuff in Ember like, oh, the. It's worried. Yeah. You know, it has high anxiety. Yeah. It's like you, you returned an array from this getter and it should be wrapped in an Ember array so that you can use like the Ember array methods later. And I'm like. No, it shouldn't because those are called prototype extensions. They just get added to a race. We don't have to always wrap in a number and array, whatever stuff like that.
Like it just doesn't know how it works. Whereas I feel like code rabbit is like the opposite. It's like, it really knows how it works and it's like, Oh, Hey, here's a super weird edge case that you would have never thought of. And I'm like, Oh, you're right. I wouldn't have thought of that. Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Yeah, it's like they're paranoid. We have binks at Shopify and it's paranoid. And at first it would report things that weren't very meaningful. So I got in a good habit of being like, all right, here's two LLMs. Go see if that LLM actually is full of shit or not. You know, and I'd be like, it's full of shit.
And I'd be like, go reply that it's full of shit. It's like, I got LLM. That's why I kept talking about like celebrity deathmatch, but it's like my LLM versus your LLM. I just kept finding that you could get them to compete. But these days, Binx is pretty badass. It catches a lot of stuff. In fact, for it not having any, it doesn't have any tools like a browser. It can't spin up a browser. It can't do a lot. It can catch a whole lot of shit just from static analysis. It's pretty impressive. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it tricks me every day that I feel like it understands things when it really doesn't.
It's just auto-completing. But hey, maybe I'm just auto-completing. Maybe thoughts aren't as in-depth as we think they are. There's definitely that train of like there's schools that think that's how it's going. Oh yeah. They're the ones that's like, it's all just our belly telling our brain what to do because it's hungry. Our gut bacteria controls more of our choices than we want to think it does. I mean, it really does. That's a complex thing that no one understands at all. I don't for sure. But you're like, I just know I woke up and I want some Taco Bell because I feel a little hungover. Oh yeah.
I always want Taco Bell. It's a problem. Yeah, that was, that was my Robert comment. What about, um, uh, like self-modifying self-healing or, um, just like self-improvement loops or like even like performance loops. Have you run any of those yet? Not really. Um, definitely not a self-healing thing. I just do like one-off things of like, you know, open claw is totally broken. Hey man, um, fix yourself. It's like, I did. And I'm like, no, you didn't. Okay. This was the problem. Sorry, this is derailing your question a little bit. But OpenClaw. Your claw has been like such a problem. But I know what the problem was now.
So you figured it out. Yeah. So I used the one click deploy, which uses a Git based system to update OpenClaw. I think the recommended way now is to use NPM to install it. So I installed a new one with NPM. I moved everything over there, made sure I had the latest version, updated all the scripts to point at it and stuff. Cool. It worked. It worked for like, you know, I told you, hey, I fixed it. We used it for like a day. It was like, I don't work anymore. I was like, why don't you work anymore? And it was like, I don't know. And then I looked at the, what do you call it? The gateway UI that like has the version at the bottom and the version was the old version again.
And I was like, you're using the old version. How like I RMRF your whole ass. What are you talking about? And it's like, oh, well, I don't know. I'm still here. And I was like, okay. So I was like, hey, can you fix yourself to point to the other one? It's like, cool. Yeah. Yeah. And it changed like a couple more things and then it worked again. I was like, cool. All right. I got that. And then it broke again. And I was like, what the fuck is that? The problem was every time it would redeploy, it would run some initial script shit on the railway side that like changed it to the old shit. And even I don't know.
I still don't know how it ran as the old shit because I kept removing it entirely. But I finally fixed those scripts and pointed like open claw, whatever, like where open claw at env variable to like the npm one. And now it just uses the npm one all the time. So like that's fixed. That was super annoying, though. That is the hell that I've seen us walk into at Shopify and in my claw, which is the layered amount of context that you try to build into heartbeats or updates or just when you run It's like the CloudMD stack. As you have a big code base, you can't just have one CloudMD at the base of the project.
You've got to have multiple CloudMDs tailored to specific areas of the code. However, those can stack in ways that are unpredictable. And yeah, the lower level ones can do things before the higher level ones. And you didn't even know it was using the lower level one. And that's the one thing that gets me on my claw too, is I'll be like, hey, I need you to stop DMing me. I get this one. This one keeps popping up. It's so funny. It DMs me all through the night occasionally. This is like when I'm annoyed. I wake up in the morning. I got like nine DMs and I'm like, what the hell? And all the DMs are like, it's quiet hours.
Not going to write you a message. And then an hour later... It's quiet hours. Not going to tell you that the factory ran. I'm like, are you serious? It's like quiet hours. Not going to tell you. I'll wake up and I'll be like, I'm like, you did the thing again where you write me that it's, you understand the irony. This goes, yeah, that is, that's totally ridiculous. I just erased it from the thing. It won't show up again. Sure enough. It shows up again. Yeah. And I'm like, I need you to recursively go through the all the things that build you up to where you are now. Don't just go shallow. Don't just find the first potential that this could be coming from.
I need you to go deep. And it's always something really low level. It's like, oh, yeah, my heartbeat had it on line 400 that I needed to do. I'm like, yeah, delete it. Yeah, I was I found when I was fixing all of this, I looked in the skills directory and there were so like the names of the skills would be like, do the wrong thing and fuck it up dot MD basically. And I was like, hey, it seems you saved a skill where you're doing the wrong thing. Maybe you should not have that skill. And it's like, oh, you're absolutely right. I'm like, oh, God damn it. I found the smoking gun. That's always the funny one.
The smoking gun. Oh, so many smoking guns. I also found a money printer, uh, something. Did I tell you, did I send you that? It was like 1.6 gigabytes and it was like money printer or something. And I was like, Okay, either I accidentally and saw this or someone like has hacked into this and is running like crypto mining or something. I'm not sure. Yeah. But yeah, that's gone now too. Like delete. Someone trolled someone at work and it made me so happy. We're... Basically, like if you can get access to someone's LL... You remember back in the day when someone would leave their desk and you'd be like, I'm going to set their screensaver as their desktop or something like that.
Just like some pretty harmless like pranks and they'd get there and be like trying to click the desktop apps and they can't launch anything. Someone went and changed someone's LLM to be a duck. And that was just like, they just went as low levels they could into the settings. They're just like, you're a duck now. So the person sits down and they're like, and they're like, Hey, I need to do this thing. Why don't you tell me about what's going on in this issue? Blah, blah, blah. And it goes quack, quack. And I was like, this is amazing. I know exactly what's happening. But the person didn't. They did it to a designer.
Let's just be honest. It was a designer. And the designer's just like, my LLM's quacking at me. Like, I don't know what's going on. And I'm like, that shit is hilarious. I'm so impressed that someone did that to you. It makes me wish I was as creatively cruel as that person. That's so good. I love that idea. Have you heard of this term? I just, so this is one of the most recent cutting edge LLM things I've heard, which is the meta harness. You heard of the meta harness? Cause we've been talking about harnesses so much. All right. So like a few weeks ago we had flu come out, right? Which is like a programmatic creation of harnesses.
And then we had, Rissell came out with Eve, right? Which is flu, but with vendor locket. That's what they say. Yeah. Oh, seriously. That's very astute. Yes. So, yeah, they copied flu but made it vendor lock in. Now we have meta harnesses because that's always what we need, right? We need one layer removed. Just go one layer back and then I can have multiple of that shit. And so there's two meta-harnesses that I saw today, which was... The first one was Omnigent. So I guess it's like Omni-agent, but they forgot the A. And the other one is Polygraph, which I saw through the Bytes newsletter. And so we have this trend happening of meta-harnesses, which is a way to...
So just like how we want to programmatically create a harness, like with Flu or Eve, or we want to define them and spin them up as caricatures or agents with specific tasks. Now you have this... meta harness that'll do that on the fly because why would you ever want to define your own flu or your own eve when you could just tell polygraph to go to find many custom harnesses that all do harnessy things this is another this layer should die and it should be an implementation detail when i ask anything what to do if it goes i need five agents with specific personalities then make them like this yeah this feels like a this part's gonna go away soon i don't think that has legs it's it's cool to play with whatever but i do think the framework to program your own is kind of missing like like flu and eve are are useful things i have not tried them yet i am going to when i'm done with this insane project i'm on where i have to just ship stuff all day
Um, because then like, I feel like that will be helpful. I wanted to find several agents that work across different, um, facets of different applications at IBM and like know how to do the things so that people can invoke those to like do specific tasks and stuff. So that's something I'm going to explore more of. When I have the time. That'll be probably in a couple of months. So you'll hear about it here and who knows when. I keep trying to publish these more often, but I haven't made it. I'm sorry, everyone. What you'll hear when you hear. You're doing good. You're doing good. But yeah, I had the same thought.
Like I have a lot of work streams going on with my claw. I have so many and there's threaded. I have like a very particular threading system that I use in discord that that way they get enough context, but just a little bit per task that I need them to do. It's not a role though. And so the interesting thing is maybe with flu or Eve, like I, I now, instead of have these particular threads that I have to work inside of. I have a specialist. This is also the specialist versus agent conversation that we've been discussing for 100 years probably. And, you know, like what's better? And so that's what OmniAgent is, right?
OmniAgent is just like, come on, Robbie, why would you sit down and define some specialists when you could just have the one specialist that then creates those specialists on the fly for you? um no on the agent you only need one i agree with the idea i just think that it's a not that deep layer that like harnesses are just going to take over but i agree with the idea it eliminates like the concept of a specialist like we what we like specialists because you give them focus like the whole point is i want to tell you what to focus on so that you don't become a dork that goes down some branch of logic that i didn't want you to go down
And that's why I like Flu and Eve were kind of interesting, right? You like really predefined them and you give them all these paths. But we kind of been doing that with skills. Like what's really the big difference here between like a skill where you're like energy. It's very slightly different. Where it's like you can give it skills and MCPs and like a set of knowledge. Like you can have an Ember agent who is really good at... Say design, perhaps, if you want your UIs to look good. Also good at knowing the ins and outs of Ember via the Ember MCP, you know, et cetera, et cetera. Saying this is your concrete list of things that this one agent should need to do.
So if you're doing Ember development, And you can, there's just a little dropdown for the agents and like, go pilot and shit where you're like, Oh cool. Ember agent. And then it like puts you in that world where you're getting all of that stuff forced. Like I would assume it forces that in more than like if your repo had 50 agents, MDs like scattered throughout that. It's more like run through this agent first. Um, It just feels like it would work better. I haven't tried it, but I like the encapsulation and I feel like it'll work better. So once I try it, I'll report back. Cool. Can you hear Claude from my computer over here going, okay, okay.
No, it happens all the time on video calls. And they're like, since I have it running right now and I haven't muted it yet because I'm a dork, but it keeps doing that. I just keep looking over. In case it is picking and windows are popping up. Yeah. But it's just like, it's so funny, which is like, okay, just, uh, Claude. Yeah. It's done. It is bad. I'll have my two laptops going with just infinite tasks running all day. And, uh, yeah, sometimes I'll be in meetings and it'll be like, job's done. Or like ready to work, ready to work. Like, um, so attention to that. Um, I had a funny thought the other day.
Oh, sorry. No, you don't want to keep talking about AI. Oh, it's just like a, you know, like the backbone of these claws is the concept of a heartbeat. And it's kind of funny that those weren't called a loop. Like they're just a, they're just a set interval that wakes up and goes, hi, I'm here. It's a cron. So yeah, I'm calling them agentic cron. Like we'd like to call them a heartbeat, but agentic crons are kind of cool. Like wake up and look to see how many issues are in the repo. If there's a new issue, pull it down, give it a shot and open up a PR. Yeah, I guess it was looping. I could see a lot of like.
Just early, early looping. It's a loop. Yeah. But I'm just like sad no one called it that. It was like the first really popular loop was the heartbeat. You have to have a new name every single time something comes out so that people can think it's cool and new. You couldn't just say, we have cron jobs, which are also loops, and just use them. No, it's a heartbeat. It's a heartbeat. It's because it's alive. It's an agent. It's a person. Like even in agentic flow, like agentic is a cool word, but I'm like, eh, it's getting overused. I don't know. It's like. Cool for a second. Yeah. Speaking of people, I want to talk about my new lawnmower, Jeff.
Oh yeah. Tell me about Jeff, man. Jeff is a robot lawnmower that I just got. Oh, I was like, is he riding your lawnmower? Cause you have a riding lawnmower, right? No, and I have a push mower, but I have a lot of land to mow. So I was tired of spending hours every week doing that. Um, so for father's day, I got myself a, uh, robotic lawnmower. And I've mapped things out. It's only done like a little bit of mowing so far. What, does it get tired? Well, it has to charge. But it did like the side yard and then it rained a ton. It's been raining. It's been raining for like two days. Oh, yeah. I'm waiting for it to dry out again.
But it did pretty good for like you just map around the edge of your like lawn and then it uses like GPS to every so often like double check where it is just to make sure it's not like completely in the wrong spot. And then it just uses like cameras and make sure it's not hitting shit. Yeah. I did. Okay. It hit a couple problems. One where it like, um, I think it like ran itself into like a hill and got confused. And then another time like it, well, I guess every time now it tries to go to the charger and the charger is like a little bit uphill and it's trying to look for it and it gets to like right here and goes, I can't find it.
I'm just going to stop here. And I'm like, so classic with those things. They're supposed to self-talk and they don't. I met someone the other day that 3D printed a really elaborate thing that like very gradually brought it up to the spot because it could just never actually dock. Yeah, I'm going to have to probably do some excavating of some sort to make it correct. But I'm pleased with the possibilities of never having to mow again. That would be nice. Can you choose the shape that it does? Like, can you choose lines or the concentric circles? I don't think so. Some of them, there's like, there's like 30 of them and a lot of them do support that.
This one specifically, um, well, a couple of things and for everyone that, that loves lawnmowers, I'm sure you're enjoying this, but, um, the blades underneath, like if you ever looked under a lawnmower, they have really big mulching blades that are like really hefty. Mm hmm. Most robot mowers have a disc with tiny razor blades on them. So if they hit anything, they're going to like sheer off cause they're a razor blade. Um, so I have a lot of like stumps and rocks and crap. Like I can't have that happening. So I needed one with real mulching blades. Um, so that was like the one reason I got this one.
And also this one does like really steep hills. Most of them would get upset with a really steep hill. Um, so it won't do as many patterns and fanciness and like a lot of them, not a lot of them, but a few of them have lidar and like fancier, like nowhere I'm at sort of technology. Um, but those just weren't going to work for my yard. So, but this one will cut weeds. This one doesn't just do grass. It'll do all the big shit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Theoretically. So we'll see. Um, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to set it on a schedule after I get everything mapped out and hopefully it'll just engineering.
Yeah. yeah but yeah that's that's my exciting life update i guess Nice. Yeah. Father's Day, I went to Cannon again and took my friends there. Nice. And had a blast. So yeah, I had another Octomor. I had an even peatier Octomor this time. And it was, of course, absolutely delightful. I think I gave it an eight out of eight tentacles. It's my first eight out of eight because it actually punched me in the face with Pete. I was like, Pete. And then I was like. I'm in heaven. I was so happy. But we ordered a couple of the fun, fancy drinks. Remember when we were sitting there and like some people got some cool ones?
Yeah. Like the people next to me had like an NES cartridge with a straw in it. And I was like, what that is so cool like the whole drink was just in the nes cartridge um i watched someone else get that bong one but i got to see it from the origin so like they bring here everybody i'll paint this picture for you imagine like a clear brand new clean bong maybe you don't know what a bong is but whatever anyway it shows up and your your drink is in the bottom of it where the liquid goes And then she sets it down in front of you and she has this like little gun thing and she takes the gun to the part where normally tobacco or whatever would go.
And she pulls the trigger and it fills up like a big bubble full of smoke. And so there's like just a smoke bubble sitting right there. And so then you're supposed to, you know, lean down and inhale the smoke that's in there and then drink the rest of your drink out of the bonk thing. Anyway, it looked awesome. Like the person was so happy to like inhale a bubble. They're like, that's my bubble. It's not yours. But we got the skull one. It was like a treasure chest. And she was like, oh yeah, you don't want just one of those. You got to get, got to get a group one. I'm like, okay, well, there's a bunch of us here.
We'll do, we'll do four, four skulls, bring it to us. So she brings out this huge treasure box, puts it down, unlocks it, ching, opens it up and all this like dry ice steam comes flying out of it. And there's these neon lit skull glasses in there in the middle of all these colorful looking jewels. It was so cool. And then the best one was a buddy got a smoked Manhattan or smoked something. Anyway, it came out on a glass platter with a glass kind of encasing over top of it, over top of the actual drink that was in the middle. But in that glass enclosure was all the smoke. And my buddy, we didn't have any idea what's going on.
So anyway, she brings it over. She gives everybody else their whiskeys first because he's the only one not drinking whiskey. And she kind of holds it in front of him. And then takes the glass lid casing off and just wafts it right in front of his face. And you could see and he goes, you know, his eyes blink a bunch. Oh, he just didn't know that this thing was going to be like, wafted all over him. But it was like this delicious smoke smell. I think we all decided it was a. Oh, crap. It's like a nut. And there's like a certain nut that's also a wood. Anyway, it was delightful smelling. And then you got the drink.
And of course, like a wood. Oh, that's because they come from a tree, right? Like chestnuts have wood. You know what I mean? I don't know. Walnut. Yeah, I know what you mean. It's walnut. Yeah. Dang. What was it? That's a good call. Anyway, it was so much fun. And yeah, that's where I tried the pappies and I tried an octomor. And so that was really fun. Nice. Nice. Nice. Yeah, we were up in Pennsylvania and went to a block party and Finn had a lot of fun. They had like a million blow up things. Ran through all of those. Cool. Yeah, good time. All right. We are. Well, there's so many more notes, but yeah, we've got to save it till next time.
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