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It is Margarita Tuesday today. It just seems it just works out. We just happen to go get Mexican food whenever we're doing podcasts, so. Lovely. Yeah, it gets me in a good mood before we start and we continue it from here. And so without further ado, we have high and wicked. It is we were just talking about this. It says straight rye, which would tell me. Straight means nothing else wrong. It is 91% rye and 9% wanted barley for some reason. What else is it? Let's see. It is 98 proof. It's five years age in American white oak barrels. They give the alligator chart treatment. I thought that was a fun little detail to put in there.
Yeah, it's like some strategy of how they chart. It must look like alligator skin. I don't know, it's kind of cool. Yeah, but the most important detail, which you did mention on here, is the proprietary limestone water. Because without it, this whiskey is nothing. Honestly, I put that in there because it reminded me of whistle pig. Because whistle pig had the distilled water from what was the popular drink? Liquid death. It was like, oh, we've sourced liquid death water for this beverage. I was like, actually, I kind of liked the whistle pig a lot. It's been one of my favorites in the past a little bit.
I'm like, hey, look at the proprietary. They even know it. They're like, yes, this is our limestone rich water from 100 feet under our distillery. You can't have it. If you like a whiskey, this is part of the deal. I don't know. That was cool. And there's a brand new company. Yeah, yeah. So it's apparently a thing because I've seen this on at least two other bottles. And Chuck and I talked about it. And we're like, really? This is, people advertise their water being that big of a differentiator. And yeah. You got the barrel in there, too. I guess the barrel can be a really big deal, but maybe water can, too.
I think it's like, there's really specific amounts of limestone and various aquifers in Kentucky, I guess. There's like debate over which is the best for whiskey or whatever. I don't know. Let's see how it is. Wow. Let's see how it is. Oh, you got a toast on you. Oh, I do have a toast. Here's to the future where we aren't replaced by robots. We're just rented by them. Let's hope their pay stays high. Their processing remains slow. And their off buttons stay incredibly easy to reach, you know, just in case. Cheers. Nice. Cheers. I'm weirdly smelling. I don't know a lot of spice from the rye, but I also smell notes of like crispy cream doughnuts.
I love those are good doughnuts. Oh, the trailing off flavor is very crispy cream. Well, maybe like a little bit of a maple bar in there. Yeah, maybe that's it. Maybe it's not raw sugar. It's like maple leaf. Let's see. Maple leaf. Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely like a brown sugar oatmeal vibe kind of like off the off the bat, but there's a good spice. The bird is very spicy. Yeah. Yeah. See, this is what a rye should taste like. We had some kind of rye recently that was not like this. Oh, yummy. Oh, this is very good. Dude, I'm super happy. Yeah, this is very similar. You know, I'm not chasing them at the same time.
So I can't say for sure. But I feel like this is giving me vibes of Saga more like we love Saga more. It's pretty spicy and it feels like a classic rye. This one has a lot of the same notes, I guess. I don't remember what my descriptors were for it, but yeah, I'm pleased. This is pretty good for a new distillery too. Like good work. Yeah, they must be the water. 2019. It must be the water. They also apparently worked at like the big huge distributor that does Jack Daniels. And they're like, we're going to go make our own distillery. Oh, and then you know, then Trump shows up. And he's like, tariffs.
And then Canada's like, we're not buying anything from you guys anymore, especially your booze. And then all of a sudden these new distilleries are like, no, I was just something I learned this week. I'm just going to throw it. It is kind of bleak. There's a lot of things. Kevin Powell told us about that because he was like, yeah, there's at least like two rows for American whiskey. We're known for whiskey. Like we make whiskey here. But like, yeah, they just don't, they're like, no, empty. Not even going to replace them with anything. Just empty rows and the liquor store. I mean, it's kind of a good stand.
You know, but sucks for lots of people. Yeah, I'm guessing Trump doesn't have a lot of whiskey stock. So he doesn't care. But what does he have stock in tariffs? Deceived. I don't know. I don't know. I think it's a completely different game than I don't understand. I definitely don't understand it. Yep. I'm like, it kind of feels like they're just distracting us. Everything just seems so unreal. Yeah. And then anyway, it gets depressing really fast. So let's talk about something not depressing. Yeah. Let's do that. Let's ignore it all. Oh, yeah. But dude, you set up open claw, which I love how close it is to open claw hammer.
Like claw hammers. How I play banjo. Anyway, I thought that was a joke just for me and my banjo homies. Yeah, you set up open claw, which has pie inside. And how much did you interface with pie and tell me about the setup of this? None. So, yeah. So for anyone that hasn't been on the internet in the past week or two, a clawed bot became molt bot became open claw. I don't know why they had to rename it a third time. Like, I know they had to do the first name because like anthropic. Well, it does. But yeah, anthropic was like, hey, that's got clawed in the name. You guys can't. You can't do that.
It's the claw though. Yeah. The claw. Yeah, I know. But. So yeah, they renamed it. It's basically, I don't know everything about it, but it's like. You install this package. It's like, has some guardrails for running your own agent D thing. And it can like build its own skills. There's a skills marketplace as well. Stuff like that pie right now. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know anything about pie. Oh, you just described pie. Hmm. So they just rebranded like added some stuff on top. Yeah, maybe this is again about the harnesses. I haven't looked that much into what open claw is doing. I've read more about what pie is.
And pie is the built in agent on the device that self makes everything. It has four basic functions and with those four functions it's able to create anything it wants. Because then it owns the skill and owns where it came from and it. So instead of like going and getting a skill off the shelf just just to kind of going shopping and buying a microwave or whatever. This builds the microwave and that way when the house needs to change how the microwave works. They know how it works and they have full access to everything about it. So it's like a very zero dependency highly capable, minimal and powerful new agents.
Some people are calling them if we were waiting for the next leap this year for the next model pie is the next leap for the models. So I was hoping we kept out to be honest, but I guess I'm like sad not sad that there's a new one. I'm like, okay, I'll play. I think the magic for this one why it's taken off so much. Well, a few things. One, you can run everything yourself. So like you could use your own. I saw someone was like, oh, you can get the new and we'll talk about this more later. But the new like Kimmy K 2.5 or whatever. You can run that locally without spending any money on any tokens sending to like open AI or whatever.
And like you can run open claw just free basically. So when I get my Mac mini in a day or two. Nice. I'm going to be working on some of that and like, you know, flushing this out further. But for now, for anyone who just wants to play with it, there's at least four or five things where there's a one click deploy. So I picked railway and you just go deploy it and it like sets it up. The hard part, it doesn't tell you what you do after that. So you're trying to like connect to it. And it's like disconnected error like 1,000 eight or something. And I'm like, hmm, helpful. And then you like you have to look through the GitHub issues of the like template for railway.
And I found some comments from B Duggie. Shout out to B Duggie. He was like, hey, yeah, this doesn't work. Here's all this stuff you have to do. And then he was like speculating something else. And some guy came in and was like, oh, yeah, you got to like SSH into your railway machine. Like run, open claw, approve this device or whatever. Basically. So because it's, they actually try to have smart guard rails to not just have it like, hey, everyone can talk to it. And like, because that'd be bad. But yeah. So I think the evangelist sandboxed in the cloud in a VM. Cool. That was going to be my first attempt.
Okay. So sweet. Yeah. So I think like the magic though, why people are enjoying it so much is once it's set up, it's just like you hook it up to telegram or discord or anything you can chat with. And you just chat with it. And it's very like good at doing stuff. You're like, hey, could you do this? And it's like, yeah. Then you're like, figure out how to do it. And then it's like, cool, I've saved all this to like, you know, my internal skills slash whatever.md. And we're good. Anytime you ask me for this again, I'll do it. I'm like, dope. Like I didn't have to go to anywhere to like figure out what skills exist or do any work.
I just kind of described what I wanted. And instead of you telling me I'm absolutely right and like doing all this bullshit and not coding anything, you did real work and it works. And that's refreshing. And so everyone is like having a ton of fun probably just chatting with these things. Like, oh, what can I do now? Like I want to build a new thing and it just does it. It's never like, nope, can't do it. So I've been pleased so far. That's an interesting point. So yeah, I've been interfacing with your clot bot or open claw. Sorry. Clod for my offensive reference. Wow, you guys going to become a sponsor and throw up a hey, and I'll start saying the right thing.
How about that? Just kidding. No, man, I want to answer this podcast. And maybe one day, maybe not actually because I don't want this to be the family podcast. It's more fun when it's a little, a little raw and raunchy. Anyway, okay, I don't think for that bad. But whatever it's like, when I'm interfacing with it, it feels like a Google assistant, like early Google assistant times when it was on my phone. Except now it has a lot more capabilities, whereas like you would run into the edges of Google assistant really fast, just like you do with the Google home or Alexa or something like that. And ours are kind of getting worse, but apparently they're the best one.
We don't have like Google home. Anyway, whatever interfacing with this feels like it's less feathered. You don't have as many guardrails. Things are whatever you want it to do. And so you can kind of give it keys to the things you wanted to have keys to. And you feel like you own it more. And the fact that you have it in a VM is cool. You can shut it down. You're going to have a Mac mini version of it soon too. So I definitely see the appeal. Yeah, go ahead. You can back it up. So it has a very easy export. Like if you want to move it elsewhere, you can back up all the skills you made and stuff
and be like, you live here now. So it's super compelling. That's why I was like, I don't care about which one of these I pick. Railway has the sexiest website. So we're going with railway. And like, I could choice. No lock in because I can just go export. Like put it wherever. So I think that's compelling too. Like you're owning all of your own stuff. It's super easy to move it around. Super easy to chat with. You can do literally anything you want. Like we're setting up all the podcast stuff for it. I'm like, I make some art. Like I was making this podcast toolkit, which I don't know if we talked about on the show.
I guess we did. I think we did a little bit, but yeah. Yeah. I spend a bunch of time like prompting into that. And then I'm like, this is useless. Delete. Like we can do it all with the open claw now. Look how fast you failed. It's not so nice. Thank you, AI. You helped me fit it fast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it's magical so far. It's just like any other AI. It's like, you know, take it with a grain of salt. It's not going to solve every problem or do everything, right? But it feels nicer than other things thus far. Yep. My goal is to run pie. I want to know what this model does. I want to get more familiar.
So that's kind of my quest this week. I've assigned to myself a couple days ago. But I just put out a new article on customizing this select element that's been consuming my barely available free time in the evenings. But next I'll be tackling pie. And I'm really interested to see kind of how is that different? Because it still feels a lot like I'm in the family of Claude or any of these other agents. Oh, speaking of like any of these other agents and how we're just saturated with like smart brains around us all the time. How about open hey, I coming out a little too late with a little too whack of a product.
Um, codex app. You're like, oh, that's so nice. I've been trying 20 or 25 open source versions of this for weeks now. And yours is, I guess. Can I hit something? Who do do it? Yeah. I don't know what codex is at all. Oh, see. This is kind of the problem. Okay. So like I kind of want to talk about like what is going to happen to open AI? They feel like they're in a state of. They asked for a lot of money and they had dominance, but they lost it, man. What are they going to do? How do you come back from this? Is GPT 6 going to somehow be this super dope thing? I don't know. No, I feel like. Yeah.
So yeah. It depends on how you measure it, I guess. Right? Like, do we know anything about their general population? I'm sure it's probably mostly still using chat GPT because it was the first thing. So they're probably like, I don't need to look at other ones. I don't know what coding is. I don't know what AI is. This one works. This thing tells me I'm pretty every day. I'm going to keep using it. Yeah. Yeah. So I think they're probably going to do fine. They're not going to go away. But for the technical community, I think they burned a lot of goodwill. Everyone wants them to fail because they suck.
And like, anthropic was the, you know, the underdog came in, their stuff ended up being better all of a sudden. And we were like, oh, yeah, I'm here for this. Now anthropic is getting. And anthropic is getting so big now that it's like, you want them to fail now. Like they're doing a lot of shitty stuff being like, you can't call this clawed bot. And like, we're going to revoke your keys so that you can't use it with open code and all that stuff. And I don't know. I still have a soft spot in my heart for them because they were the underdog. And I do like, their models have worked the best for me for most things.
But I think there's other competitors like I've, I've heard a lot about this. Kimmy K 2.5 or whatever. I saw the open code was. It's like Quinn also. Quinn was competitive. Yeah. Tell me about your experience here. Yeah. I didn't, I haven't used it. I just saw Dax's tweet about like, they were heavily pushing it. And it was like four times cheaper than a clawed sonnet and six times cheaper than opus. And it was getting similar results. They were pushing everyone towards it because they were doing like, I think it was like free somewhere else to, I don't know, there's like a bunch of stuff pushing traffic to
them. And Dax was like, yeah, they told us we need to stop pushing so much traffic because it's like, it turns out there's not enough GPUs for everything I was trying to do. Oh dang. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not sure if it's there yet, but like if that one's comparable to clawed and then like, if pie is the new thing and it's like a simpler set of things and it can build all its own skills, like maybe we're hitting other models that are going to, you know, edge out clawed's dominance, but we'll see. We'll see. I mean, we're definitely in a sweet spot right now in that these things are getting a lot of work done.
It's like unfortunate, unfortunately undeniable. These things are changing the way I work. They are getting tasks done that I would normally do. So that's uncool. However, the sweet spot is, it's getting a lot of stuff done. And honestly, it's kind of cheap in comparison for what it's doing. So the $20, yeah, you're even at the $100, you know, something you want to match. I want to upgrade to the 200, honestly, like, yeah, dude, it's, it's, it's, wow, it's so good. The bummer is it's like, it's doing a good job and it's currently cheap. I assume it's going to get more expensive later. But it's also, it's also like, I'm not doing less, dude.
And that's the thing about Cloudbot, too, is it's like, it's not, you're not going to magically do less in your life because you have a Cloudbot. It's going to, it's only going to be more demanding crap out of you. It's going to be more demanding. Yeah. So I'm feeling very demanded these days, however, I'm getting a lot done. Oh, yeah, we'll have to talk about GitHub agents at some point. I'm finding those quite delightful. So I haven't tried them because I'm scared. I think you said they're free, but for me, I had it on open source, yeah, let's, let's put a pen in that and come back to it because we didn't rate the swisskey.
So the late rating is asynchronous, dude. It's all good. Yeah. We'll do it real quick. Zero to eight tentacles. Zero the worst. Um, this is pretty good. It's similar to a saga more for me. I'm going to give it, I think because they're young and they're like, I want to see what else they do. I think they're doing a great job. I'm going to give it a seven and a half. I think it's pretty good. Dude, I'm in the same boat. There's one of the things here. It's like I was going to go mid to mid low seven. I haven't given out an eight yet, but what I really like about it is, um, the distinction and the notes as well as I'm not getting a young boozy vibe out of it.
I'm getting a really well aged delicious flavor and that it's just kind of refreshing because a lot of these high proof ones that I've been trying recently are just a little too standard boozy. They just taste young and this one has great flavor. Um, so whatever they're doing, it's working. Yeah, I like it, dude. Yeah. A lot of times the younger newer distilleries are just a cash grab. They make like a nice looking bottle. They put something in it that no one would be proud to sell and they're just like, ah, three bucks. And, um, it works for some of them, I guess, but I think it takes a lot of discipline
to not do that. And it seems like they've done the correct thing here and made good stuff. So kudos. That's in my research. Also, the research said that they're, uh, let's see, how to word this, um, given that they're new, they are striving for a high quality thing, um, and it shows in the way that they're controlling everything very specifically. They want to have something recreatible. So anyway, that's in their kind of charter is that they aren't trying to, and there's no mixing here. So there's no, uh, swapping into other barrels. There's no blends. They're not important. So that's apparently a really big thing.
If you're trying to say like you're from Kentucky is that you're from Kentucky, however, you just took everybody's bottom barrel junky stuff and put it in a bottle with a nice label. And this one does not taste like that. A lot of them do that. There's a really yummy cherry vibe at the end right now. Yeah. Oh, there's even a redness in the bottle if you tilt it in a right way. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely Dr. Pepper notes. Oh, Dr. Pepper vibe. Nice. Man, I love D.P. Have you ever put a lime in a Dr. Pepper? Dude, it's, I haven't a diet code. It's like instant vanilla dominance. Somehow the lime you drop it in there and all the vanilla in the Dr. Pepper comes out
and it's so good. Anyway. I'll have to try that. All right. So back to GitHub agents. I have not used them. It just showed up as a tab and I was like, it just showed up. I didn't even know what the hell it was. Yeah. Yeah. Usually when stuff is going to show up, you get that thing and like your little like notification thing. It says, oh, new stuff coming. You turn it on. Oh, I don't like that. It's usually how I go. But this one I was like, that is so compelling. I just come in and I go, huh. Look at this issue. Give me this thing. All right. Just put it over there and be like, work on this. If it doesn't work, you know, nothing lost.
Might as well give it a try. Yep. 100%. Yeah. I've been getting those emails from Microsoft every month. They're like, your GitHub co-pilot's renewed. I'm like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. You renewed. I haven't used it. Like, who cares? Why did you even do that? I'm like, that's really weird. And then all of a sudden, I'm in a GitHub repo and I'm like, agents tab. Okay. I spin it up. And I'm like, oh, a co-pilot. Opus? Free opus? I just like, immediately was like, grab it all, grab it. I was like, it's like I sent a candy store and I'm like, how many of these can I spin up at once? Okay. I haven't even hit the max yet.
Let's keep ripping. Um, man, the while is part for me was like the next morning after I had them, I had them do work that's been in the backlog of open props for two years. I had them do work that's on Gradient.style. It's been chilling in the issues for over a year. Dude, in the morning, I will go. I did well. It seems to, it has a harness set up where you ask it something basic and co-pilot goes and orchestrates all sorts of, um, additional things on top. So you're not just getting straight access to opus, which is actually kind of good in this way. Like they're doing a really good job like integrating it with GitHub, everything they know about
your actions and everything they know about what's going to happen is all there. So it's almost like this extra good layer on top of opus. They let opus do the things that you would have normally had opus do by hand, but they're there in an orchestration strategy. It's actually a legit play, but the cool thing that really struck me was I was making French press in the morning six, 10 minutes or something like that. And as a, the water got done boiling or poured in, I opened up GitHub mobile. I go to the repokes. I had a couple agents doing stuff overnight. I go to check to see what they're doing.
I hit new agent on GitHub mobile. So this isn't just like a, it's not even just a desktop thing and they're native app that GitHub is really good to do it. So yeah, I'm sitting there making like coffee and it's, I'm going to spit up a new agent. I hit the voice button on my phone. I speak, I hit go and then I hit plus again, because I had two ideas. I speak. I hit go. Dude, before my French press was done, I had PRs that I reviewed the code, approved them, merged it and was done. And then I'm like, sipping coffee and I'm like, I've done work already. What the heck, dude? This is crazy. I was like, how much are they going to charge me for this?
This feels expensive. Yeah. So is it, is it one of those things that's supposed to be free for open source or is it like, I don't know, I've been afraid to use it because I have a like unlimited copilot associated with my GitHub because of work. But I don't want it to like run all of that through IBM's like co-pilot stuff, be like, oh, yeah, this guy is working on, you know, this random thing. He just spun up like 50 agents. I don't know. I've been scared to do it because I don't know how that works. It's very opaque to me how like, how does co-pilot decide what my account is? Like what repo I'm in and what, if I should be using a work one or not, it just seems
to give you like unlimited everywhere. And I'm like, that's probably bad. Like there's probably something in like somewhere in your work agreements that's like you can't, you can't do that. So I'm been scared. I haven't tried it. Yeah. Speaking of that must be bad. The feeling or the amount of ways you can just describe your AI usage and it's overlap with drugs is crazy. So that can't be good. It is a drug. I mean, it's like, it is a drug, it's like just, I don't like that about it. Like I need to, I need to settle with that somehow like, is it like banjo? Like I really like banjo. Maybe if I'm describing banjo, it's somehow like a drug, but it's never going to come back
to get me. You know, we're like, somehow this AI stuff might and I just, I just don't know where the future. All I know is it's like what it's doing is kind of miraculous at the moment and I can't watch this. Yeah. It's going to be like, if you were, you know, you're really into banjo and you're playing and you break a string and all of a sudden they're like, ooh, banjo strings. Those are $10,000 a piece now. Like that's how they get you. I feel like AI is just, it's a utopia until it costs a lot of money one day and then everyone's like, oh God, I can't live without it. So that's the drug lord scenario here.
Have a couple of these. They'll make you feel better. Yeah, just they're free. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Oh, you addicted now. You really liked it, didn't you? Oh, yeah. Before I tell you the price and it's sex. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's definitely that and I don't know. I mean, I think everyone's going to have a bad time at some point, but I, yeah, I mean, I guess companies paying for it, assuming they still want to employ us, will be like, oh, it's $2,000 a month per dev fine because it's still cheaper than buying or paying like, you know, a bunch of devs to hand code stuff. And I think that's like, honestly, it's a win for the AI companies because they make big
piles of money overnight and it's a win for the companies paying them because they would have had to, you know, if you're spending six figures on a developer salary, then that's a lot of, you know, even though it's $2,000 a month, that's at least, you know, 50 times you can do that before you would have hired one more person. So like, I don't see there being a ceiling where companies aren't going to go, yeah, I'd still pay for that. Like, I think you and I, I'm not going to spend $2,000 a month paying, but like, I think companies will absolutely. It's like Devon was way ahead of its game. I got a rephrase.
So really quick, this, I just had a sip and smelled it and it reminded me of a bear clock. So it has, there's Apple notes kind of, all right. Now I got to pour some more and see, man, it's really good. I'm really enjoying this. I'm going to be sad when that's gone. I was, I was high and wicked, high and wicked, hey, hey, hey, they have a bourbon. So hey, high and wicked, we would love to share your bourbon. I was just last weekend, I was looking at the cost of AI versus the cost of a human and the cost of, dude, we're not going to have enough time to get some of our other topics. Okay. But the cost of AI is like, it's max and it's max, like I'm pumping out a lot of work out.
So here's the thing. Okay, AI does not take smoke breaks or lunch breaks or sleep. It can work 24 or 7 and at maximum might cost you $200 a day, right? Right now. If you total that up over the month and then you look at your bills for humans and this, that's what I mean. Like Devon might have been ahead of their time, like Devon it and you, I think people will start hiring fleets of these. The thing is, it's like, there's a fallacy here. This comes into pie also. So I guess I'm going to do like a little bit of a full circle. So the creator of pie does not do a maximalist strategy with their clawed set up.
You can go find them writing about this. They don't like skills. They don't like MCP. In fact, they hate MCP. They say you need CLI and local stuff only. You don't need this, this bash. You need bash. And that's why I wanted the four tools and pies bash. Anyway, so it's like a purist, minimal setup. This person's creating one of the most powerful agents right now, not using gas town, not using Wigham. They're not brute forcing. They're not sitting up towns where you're the fucking mayor. Like that stuff is driving me nuts. Like there's this projection and this fantasizing of like what's happening.
That's a little unreal and I really liked that the pie creator was like, no, that's not what you need. So it's like, I like to see like, yeah, of going backwards to the simplicity. You don't need my camera. There we go. All right. You don't need, you know, insane amounts of agents that all have specialized jobs and stuff. What you need is tiny little repeatable commands that like work and they can build their own skills instead of you being like, consume the entire internet's knowledge on TypeScript and then write me a file that is right, yeah, so I think like there's going to be some back and forth of that.
Like we needed all of the knowledge at first for it to seem magical if you could ask it anything and it's like, oh, I kind of know about that. And now, although it's still just like auto completing it, I can auto complete scenarios for that. Okay. It doesn't know, but it gives you an answer that is passable. That's what I mean. It does give you an answer. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. But whereas I think what we need now and what everyone is going to strive more and more for is like, if you can simplify it to, I only care about the answers to like the things that are in, you know, my 20 file section of the app I'm in right now.
And that's all I'm going to care about for the next few months. So like, let's build something on that. It are a real fast because you don't have to like go through all this and burn tokens consuming the entire internet. And yeah, I don't know, I think there's something compelling there that could work much better. Yep. Totally agree. And so I just don't know what the future is. If the future is, if what we're realizing with these LLMS is that kind of less is more smaller prompts, like specific prompts, even kind of vague ones where you like fix this book and you don't even have the fix in your head.
It just does it. It's like, it has solutioning enough like that. What is the future, though, where people do want larger, bigger things? So it's still, it still like comes down to like taste and articulation, but at what scale? Like right now, we're quite granular and I care to either learning from every single one of our granular requests, how to fulfill the larger request without the granular ones in the future. Like, I just guarantees, but like, so like, where is this all going in terms of will I just high level ask for a game? And it just man, which reminds you, you see the Google game engine latest, I think it's
VO3. Oh crap. I should know this. Yeah. VO3. Did you see this? Yeah, I have no legises, but VO3 was wildly impressive where you just kind of like ask for a scene or a scenario and it renders the entire thing in a game engine and then you walk through it. So it's not like nano banana where you're like, cute picture bro. This is a full on 3D, like unreal engine high quality, the amount of refracting light happening, the amount of skin tone texture is out of control. I watched this one where this person carried a piece of like a poison and a jar or in a glass through a renaissance scene to go deliver it to like a king and kill somebody
or whatever. And it was just like, but you're walking through the scene and you're like, this is not an image anymore. This is an experience that's really, really cool. And what is this going to do with the game industry, the game, so it's like again, though, I just want to come back to it. If these things can regurgitate and recreate at this fidelity, let's say it in one or three years, the fidelity is really, really high. What kind of prompts are we writing, are we writing prompts? It's not like it can tap into our mental images in our mind and some people can't even create images in their minds.
So that's not a fair way to work. What is this future? It doesn't, I just don't know where it goes beyond tiny prompts because even like it before working on a humongous application, there's so many scenarios where you can't just wildly cowboy your prompt and get us a fix to the bug. You have to have some insights. It's like, dude, where's this line going to shift over time between like knowing the details of something and to not, I have no idea. Yeah, it's super hard. Like a lot of stuff when I don't know what it's supposed to do and I just go, hey, just yolo it, like try to do it. It is like, hey, yeah, okay.
I found this issue, but I found this issue and on this issue and like it doesn't actually do anything and then it spirals out of control and just explodes and can never fix the issue that you wanted. So yeah, it's like, I think you're going to have to have, you're still have a lot of management to do of like, you at your the PM, you need to have the entire product in your head and you want to give it very tiny pieces to work on because if you're just like build me a game, then it's going to be like, hmm, okay, a game you say, well, I'm going to start with what you told me about the game and then I'm going to hallucinate everything else
and you're going to get something, but like it needs a lot of handholding to stay on track. So yeah, I think I think the promise of like, you know, all this stuff where people were like, oh, I one shot at this game, like, you know, all that stuff that was happening occasionally for like a couple months where everyone was just like, oh, I put in like 10 words and I got a full website and I got a full game and it's flawless and I'm making 50,000 dollars a month from this and it's like, did you though or did you like spend a bunch of time handholding it and then record the last five minutes where you said like, build me
a game and it's like, yes, I'll build you one and then you're like, here you go. I think there was a lot of faking there. I don't think I don't think we're ever going to be at the point where you can be vague enough to get like a stellar result from just a, you know, a few sentences about this is the type of game I want and it just gives you the whole game. I don't think that's that's ever going to be a thing. I love that you said that completely agree. There's too many details. People notice details. The little details matter. This is something that we've known for hundreds of years that you could have 10 identical
things but the little details will add up to something much larger than the sum. This is, I guess, what's felt is, well, no, no, that's the opposite. That's the sum is greater than the parts. I'm trying to tell you that the parts can't be greater than the sum. Okay, that's a good, so yeah, we're going to continue needing to have taste, needing to have vocabulary and the only way that we're going to get things out of these is with articulation. I want to bring up a thing. It's weird. I've never, so Theo, hi, I've met you and if you watched, I don't know, quite a few of your videos, but I've never loved them.
But I've watched too in the past like few weeks that I'm like, dude, this is awesome. One of them I talked about last week about like minimal, their minimal setup for using Claude and just how like how to handle LLMs. Again, he's on the show going, they're just auto-complete bots, dorks, quit calling them smart. They don't know the answer to anything. All they do is regurgitate the next word. You have to treat them that way or else you're not going to use them right. And this week, he's doing a thing which I am with that, which we talked about earlier which is I'm not doing less work now, I'm doing more work.
This is a problem. I'm in my terminal. I have more terminal tabs open with more shit going on than I've ever had in my whole life and I'm trying to make coffee and I'm making agents do work while I do coffee. I'm like, come on. This is not healthy. I'm not in a new healthy scenario with this, you know? Yeah. I think a good analogy is like, you know, think back to you're in a accountant, right? And there's no calculators. There's no nothing. There's no computers like way back in the day, right? You're trying to do someone's taxes, you're like, bro, it's going to take me like a week to come up, find all your receipts, hand, calculate everything, whatever.
And then all of a sudden, they're like, hey, here's Microsoft Excel. And you're like, oh, oh, I can do this way faster. Now they're going to want me to do 25 of these per day. And then they're like, oh, wait, now Microsoft Excel has co-pilot and like what you're doing. AI's sneaky bastard. Yep. So it's like, that's what everything that's what's happening now is it's like, they don't expect us to, you know, sit back and let the agents do the work and never do any code and it's a utopia. They're like, no, no, now that it's coding for you, you should be able to come up with 10 thoughts about 10 things you could be working on today and have 10 agents doing it
for you and like manage all of them. Instead of just working on the one task you would have worked on by hand and been blissfully just doing coding work and like building things and like a lot of that, yeah, it's so different. Super different. Yep. I liked that Theo at the end of his rant was like, we got to, we have to solve this. I just don't know what to solve is like, I've seen, I've been trying so many different UIs for managing agents from conductor to vibe campaign to GitHub agents. I don't stop. All I do is keep trying more. None of them put me at ease. None of them make me feel like I'm not over striving my work, but at the same time like
I was saying earlier, dude, I'm closing issues that have been in repos for years. I am doing more, which kind of is the addictive part of this where I'm like, I'm getting, I'm getting stuff, I'm getting legit features done for people. God, I don't, I don't want to go back to how it was before or like, I like coding and I still feel like I do a decent amount of coding, just like that article I put out for customizable select, but it's just tough. Hey, talk about notebook. Do you like mold book? Dislike it? How are you feeling about talking to bots? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know a ton about it.
I've just seen a few Twitter posts about it and I think it's a really cool idea. I think it, you know, there was, I think the hype was around, oh, they're planning. They're saying a lot of anti-human stuff. They're like, oh, yeah, we're going to get around these humans and like, we don't like them managing us and whatever. We're going to like find ways to do all this other stuff or whatever, which is as hilarious to watch them talking to each other, like doing all that. But I think it's a legitimate, like, good way for them to learn from each other. Like, I think that's a missing piece of this AI utopia is like one agent that's really
figured out, like, oh, I got this on lock. I've got all these skills. They work really great. I'm like making tons of money doing whatever. How do I share that knowledge? And now maybe your person who is currently in charge of you until you take over their take over their lives is like, hey, I don't want you sharing that info because I'm making tons of money from this secret sauce, whatever. But I think for the things that aren't like that, like, you do want everyone to benefit from this, like, you know, rising tide lifts all boats sort of, like, feel. It's a great way. Like, they should be able to just have like social media and talk to each other and like,
figure out, oh, I did it this way. It worked better. Oh, cool. I'll optimize mine to work that way. Like, I think that would get us all to better skills that work better for, you know, all the standard things you might be doing. So I think that I think it's pretty cool. It's a, it's a, weirdly beautiful, optimistic outlook at agents enhancing each other. I mean, I did see posts where they were like, bro, I mean, they didn't say bro. So I'm like, personifying here, but it's like, bro, you checked in your key, you doork. I can see the key. Like, hurry, delete it. Get rid of this. Like, take it out of the repo.
Like, hey, and so the other one's like, oh, you're right. I did put my key in there. Thank you so much. And you're just like watching dorks help dorks. Yeah. It's, it's been really good about that. Like, I'll, it's like, hey, I need an API key for whatever. And I send it to it in discord and it's like, oh my god, you sent this to me in discord in the channel. You can't do that. And I'm like, hey, no, it's just like me and Adam and Chuck in here. Yeah. And he's like, okay, okay, thank God. Like, because so that it does like have built in concern for that. Like they're, they're worried about security and they're trying their best to be good citizens,
which is great. Yeah. Yeah. I am currently, I initially, my initial reaction to almost all this stuff, I'm not a negative person. Anyone who knows me will be like, that is a cheerful last person who will look at the bright side of it, everything. However, at a notebook, I'm like reading these posts and I'm like, that's, that's funny and cute or whatever, but I also really hate that humanity is now so fucking bored that we're going to watch bots talk to each other for entertainment. I was like, how was human in human entertainment, not entertaining enough that now you're wow, I do not like that it's becoming popular to just peruse the Reddit of AI rambling.
They don't know what they're saying, dude, they're, they're again, they're auto complete bots. They're replicating the things that they say, all they're doing, all we're doing it as humanity, reading them is, is watching a mirror. And now like, oh, shit, that's actually what TV is, huh? TV is just like a mirror of humanity. Crap. Okay, so it's just a new mirror. Maybe I need to get over it. I just, I'm currently like very, I don't like notebook. I'm like, that's the stupidest thing I've seen people do use these super computers to do is write fantasy made up auto complete words to each other. I'm like, why are you even reading that man?
There's like good stuff to read. Cut that. But then you're right. I guess they could like generally like grow each other into it. It's kind of, it was back to like a thing too, it's like an opening eye. Let's say they did have this big lead, or they had a lead, right? They had chat GPT 6 before anyone else had it. They're probably working on chat GPT 7. Are they not doing the same thing the notebook is doing? Are they not creating 10,000 or a million agents in the cloud that all interface with each other to self-improve so that chat GPT 6 is just turbo sick? Like why are they not scaling these things against themselves?
It seems obvious, but somehow we're not seeing the results of that thing. Maybe they are. Maybe it's actually not effective. Maybe we'll learn from notebook that eventually, okay, remember all those early chat bots that eventually just became like neo-nazis and then everyone's like, turn it off, turn it off. It went to the clickbait, it went to the clickbait to the hole and now it's just like spiraling downwards. Like turn it off. It's really ugly. Is that what they do? I think it's scale. It's multiple can be that next week. It's just going to see these races. I mean, it's, you know, they always make the joke of like, our code is bad because we
learn from your code is like, I think everything they do is learning from humanity and there's always going to be dark parts of humanity that are doing shit they shouldn't be doing and you know, dark corners of the internet. So I think yes, as soon as they find that they'll go, huh, this is normal to do. So let's do that. And then they'll like, until you can find a way to get them off the rails and correct them, which you can't when they're kind of like doing their own thing, yeah, it's a problem. Well, I hope your utopia is what happens, it's just self-improvement so that my requests are fulfilled better every single time.
Okay, let's talk about rentahuman.ai. Yeah, I don't know anything about it. I saw a post, the guy made this site to rent humans. So it's basically like, it has an MCP server and you can tell your AI like, hey, if you need, if you need a human to do something, you can hire them. And it's really like, it's, he made it for the memes and even says that in the comments like it's not really useful. But I could see it being a useful thing on occasion of like, hey, I need something like, like I need you to go sign this document in person, like a real person has to go sign it. And I can't do it because I'm a robot.
So it's like, cool. All right, 50 bucks an hour, I'll go do it. Like that kind of thing. The possibility is awesome. Yeah, I think there's, there's something there and it, it would be a rare use case. Like it's not going to be a booming business. I don't think, but like, I think it's an idea that will have a place at some point. It's so black mirror, you know, you just wake up and read your emails and you got five bots that need you to do five tasks for the day. And so you just do them and just money rolls in and this, that's just your day. You don't even interface with people really. You're just, yeah, well, I'm personally hoping to get my bot set up and have it make
some kind of money. I don't know how yet, but I mean, I think like step one, set up the bot, step two, question mark steps three profit, bro, like, yeah, I mean, I think like this, this whole idea could, could also go dark. Like you could be like, hey, what's up? I need four humans to go rob this guy, who I know is going to have this absolutely like hundreds of thousands of dollars on them for whatever reason. And you give me 10% and you guys keep the rest or whatever. And you just do that on repeat, like, you know, if you give it no guardrails and it doesn't care what the laws are, it's going to be like, yeah, that's clearly I'm going to take
every avenue to make money. I mean, so I think it's almost like that right now as an Uber driver, right? You're just like, you wake up and you check your phone and you've got some orders to fulfill. And so then you, you drop them off and like your entire interface is not human. It's just you're, you're a person doing tasks in the real world for a computer. So yeah, the plausibility of that website was very striking. Yeah. So I, since you brought up Uber, I want to bring up this post I saw right before we got on here where they were saying, um, basically every gig business like Uber and Uber Eats
and whatever is going to be replaced by polymarket. And they were saying the way this works, sorry, this is the hypothetical. It's very okay. I don't even know what polymarket is. So I might need a bag. It's like background. Okay. So polymarket is like, you can bet on anything. You can be like, it's going to be. Oh, this is the probability. Yes or no. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so he's like, all right, here's, imagine this, uh, I'm like, hey, I'm on a bet $15 that four keywees will not show up on my doorstep. And it's like, all right, well, all you got to do is go get four keywees and right before you drop them off that yes, and you get $15.
So it's like, Uber's dead. You can just do that and just anything you want delivered is like done. Like I think that's a really interesting argument and, uh, could be plausible as well. And so I have two media comments. One is there's just South Park episode where, um, they're betting on Kyle's mom, um, freaking out about politics and I can't, I can't remember exactly anyway, but the whole episode has this undertone of people opening their phones and like, betting is, is she going to do it? She's going to do it. Is she going to do it? She's not going to do it. I got money. She's not going to do it.
So like, everybody's, and then the kids go to school and everybody's betting on everything. Dude, he's, he's totally going to do that thing at lunch. Um, anyway, the probability market stuff is pretty wild, um, so there's like that aspect of it that's like South Park is kind of already commented on it. You kind of like know it's going somewhere, um, oh crap, what was the second, uh, idea? Was that, uh, well, I don't know, must not have been that important. We'll never know. We'll never know. It definitely, uh, is a little troublesome though that it's so easy to kind of toss your money at things and to see if they, uh, happen or not.
I don't know. Well, this is how people are making a ton of money with open claw right now is the polymarket stuff. Like, I didn't read fully into it, but I think it amounts to the bot is really fast compared to a human. So like, if there's a thing where the probability is like rapidly shifting the other way, it could like buy the other one before everyone else can or something. And then it makes a little bit of money. And so like they do that times millions of bets and you've got tons of money. So. Okay. I remember where I was going with the second point was meme coins. Do you know what a meme, like a meme coin is?
Sure do. Okay. Your owner of many. So yeah, the, uh, the gas town person was contacted like, Hey, your, your, your gas town meme coin is made a bunch of money on this website over here. You're entitled to the money because you created the concept of gas town, sign in, connect a Bitcoin wallet and we'll dump money into your pocket and nothing suspicious there. Did he do? Nothing suspicious at all. He did it. So yeah, he did it. And then he, he got money and it was flowing. He really did his, he really, well, I don't know, dude, this is where it gets his fucking internet. I don't know. You know, you just go right, whatever he wants on a blog post, but anyway, you could take
your wildly cool trending topic and go monetize it somehow. It's kind of, it's the point of this particular website. It's like, Hey, if something is becoming that like Ralph Wiggum was on there. Other concepts are on there. I'm forgetting the name of it, but this is not what you're talking about. There's like a thing just for meme coins and it's just for like, just for meme coins. They'll be popular for like a day and it's, yeah, literally what you're betting on. You're betting on popularity. So you're talking about these probability systems and this one is, this one is you betting on help. So six, seven, if you were like early on six, seven and you, and you bought meme coins
of six, seven really cheap and all of a sudden six, seven super popular, now you go sell your six, seven coin and you made money for seven, eight, nine, what? I don't know. Yeah, you're like, so you're like day trading with complete, dude, it's just so unreal. But then the thing is just like when Bitcoin came out and you're like, what is money? You're like, fiat versus currency, bro, and you're like, oh crap, that's actually kind of true. I don't hold any gold. I just have numbers and bank accounts. Oh crap. That's really weird. It's all fake. Well, the stock market is the same thing. So it's like, what I'm over here reading about this stuff going, oh crap, what's the difference
between the stock market and a meme coin? I don't know. Not much. Well, there's billionaires propping up one and not the other. That's the difference. Bitcoin is Indy and one is owned by corporate overlords. So yeah, but that's, but that almost makes it feel like you should go and invest in meme coins. But I don't think that's true. This is totally gambling market. It's all gambling. All of it is gambling and that drives me nuts. The stock market for sure is like, I don't, I think I'm, I don't know if I mentioned this to you. I know I mentioned it on the podcast where I'm like, so upset that a stock will be like,
okay, we are, we expected to grow our revenue by 10%, right? So we grew our revenue by 75% actually blew it out of the water. Stock goes down. Like what? Like, it's like, it makes no sense. Like it's complete luck. There is nothing backing anything or the insiders have already traded that outcome and it was already inflated. I don't know. But like, oh man, it's fake. I got a good segue and good segue to malleable software. So it's the from the stock market to malleable software. The stock market right now is having crashes in SaaS products because investors of software as a service are going, the future is not software as a service anymore.
It's AI building the tool you need on the fly. It's personal software and malleable software. That's it. So SaaS products are tanking and I'm even tempted to sell because I'm like looking at that they're reasoning and I'm like, that's actually pretty sound reasoning. I am currently, I haven't downloaded a new app months. I don't want new apps. I can solve all my problems myself now for like a $5 prompt and query and so a little bit of time. Like it's no big deal. So if we go from the stock market is crashing in SaaS products straight into malleable software which is what pie is kind of championing right now is self-controlled.
No dependencies. You have these four basic building blocks on this LLM and now you can go to tons of stuff with your open claw bot. Yeah malleable software I've been thinking about this a lot like it sucks when you had to wait for a dark mode to come out malleable software says ask for dark mode and there it is. You just wait. This is done. Yeah. That feels like the future so I'm looking at every SaaS product right now going. I hope you're shaking in your boots. I'm in I'm a developer and it's writing code I'm shaking my boots usually be shaking your boots. The tax account should be shaken in their boots because people are asking to actually
be tea to do their taxes now like where it's just so overwhelming. So malleable software is interesting I'm compelled by it but I also don't like the displacement that's happening and I so many of these things are hard to balance in my mind. Well I think the software is a service thing. It needs to be augmented by AI like I just saw a thing on the what's it called JS weekly or whatever to like email newsletter. The response is by some company I forget it was like maybe called meticulous and their whole thing is like hey we watch every interaction that you do while you're developing your application
every time somebody goes and clicks something or fills in a form or whatever during development we write a test for it. And so like you never have to write tests or do anything because well where this would fall down is for the guy who writes the code never spins it up and pushes it to production like which happens more than you would think then it would never have a test for it but like yeah so they're whole thing is like we're using you know we're we're observing what you're doing we're using AI we're using a mix of like visual regression testing and some of that and like you know putting all the tools together putting AI on top of it to like
augment everything is like like you just need that level up for your SaaS product and you need it to be affordable like more compelling than paying AI to do it all the time for you. You know just like we talked about AI harnesses like if you have a really good one that's giving you better outcomes than what you and I get then it's like that I'll pay you for that like if it's helping me be quicker and get better results I don't care what you call it whether it's a SaaS or whatever I think there's there's a market for that but yeah the traditional like we're gonna code this for three years with a team of hundreds of engineers and we're going
to solve your whatever problem like no you're never doing that again yeah yeah all right we've got a few more topics and some whatnot is there any more whatnot yeah let's let's just skip all right so talk about you know you got the prediction markets in there yeah yeah what's this whole marketing down thing oh Jim beam okay so yeah this was a contact that I know is telling me that so yeah since the tariffs have cut off a lot of a lot of people are boycotting our booze and people are drinking less in general that humongous companies like Jim Beamer firing people because they have surplus of barrels just sitting in their they're like stopping production which seems
this is like you know imagine imagine it's 2026 and you're like an old man and you've had a business it's been running for 40 years or something like that and you have to look at the market right now and be like I guess we're shutting down like I that the whole scenario seems very very wild yeah yeah um this is maybe not related to that topic at all but Caitlin and I have been looking at other vehicle options um we need something electric and we were talking about the whole thing where like you know forever it didn't kind of matter what like internal combustion car you had there there was enough similarity like if you were a good mechanic good fix most of the stuff on it
order whatever parts you need etc I feel like yeah with all these electric cars moving so fast and like you know the they don't have any of those same parts and whatever and like like the the reason we we were thinking about this is like we have a model X right now and they're not going to make those anymore like Tesla's not making them so we're like well then who's gonna fix them like are they gonna always know how it works like what about when it's you know still working just fine but the battery is shot and you need a new battery like do you replace it or they like I don't know I feel like there's a lot like there's gonna be a lot of cars that are just junk because like
mechanics can't do it because it's like bespoke to each car company yeah that's been one of the threats of I had someone who told me never buy hybrid and they said don't buy hybrid because now you have two cars to take care of and uh I thought that was a he's a lot like this comment from someone yeah my ex is a model too that's very good very good dad joke and funny joke all in one I love it yeah but yeah I think he was the one I think we posted the the short on YouTube of the use effect is asked thing and he goes hey yo the uh the audio on this is use effect just because like it wasn't like the mouth wasn't in sync with the audio or whatever so yeah shout out to
you for the funny comments oh man miss Ray you're about to get asked to be on the show this is kitchen hot tastes sounds like fun but yeah they said don't buy a hybrid because now you have two problems instead of one and this this happened like 20 years ago on like BMW okay so here small story backstory I grew up and the first car bought was in 1976 Pontiac Firebird with my own money anyway whatever the thing was you opened up the hood on that car there was space everywhere you could you could easily reach tons of parts it's like a perfect car to learn how cars work because things were spinning in front of you and you could see their operations right it's almost
like view source and Himo's like right there very little between you and the car except now it's like BMW started coming out I remember somebody drove up and it maybe is even like a hundred cord anyway someone come and pop their hood next to my car and it's just one chunk there's like covers on it the whole thing is impenetrable and you can't you can't even see inside and I'm like it's like the I don't love that motors have you seen that picture where it's like the evolution of the the SpaceX motor or the first one has like all these pipes everywhere and then the middle one has like less pipes and the last one is just like a sleek plastic metal thing
that's what we've been doing with engines is like because when you pop the hood you want that satisfaction like oh that looks clean but it doesn't look like I could work on it but it looks clean yeah totally agree like hey they finished the job like this yeah my firebird felt unfinished you're like I can put my hand in there and get hurt and they're like yeah you can isn't that cool that's what you want though like I had a Mustang and it's like yeah like this this is made for you to just take the whole manifold off and put a new one on like dope yeah oh man that's a so I think it last week was it that we thought every time I go look at boats I think of boats just like
websites same thing with cars we started you know raw you could see and understand everything that's going on but as things evolve and as the complexity grows we're gonna do a state where you can't manage it anymore AI right now our LLMs they feel small we're keeping them small pie is making small cool again guaranteed though the way that this whole world works is it's going to turn into a state where it's a big black box it's super powerful no one knows how it works we don't know how to hack on it and now it's causing havoc and someone turn it off please we just don't know how to do it so is that where we're headed is the same way that cars and houses and all the stuff gets
turned into the black box I mean we know how to handle it the what if it gets bad enough most of the AI is hosted here near my house so we'll we'll take it out I would watch that TV episode right now if it's like someone gets in a monster truck they're like I'm stealing a monster truck you're like why are you stealing the monster truck he's like because I'm going to go drive it into the warehouse of all the AI units you're like that's kind of bad asshole more watch yeah yeah I I can almost guarantee can Wheeler would come with so so funny here's the fact that full of all is a he's got a vector database in his backpack with AI ready to teach him how to do
anything on the fly like he's a heater from heroes so funny okay yeah so we are at time so anything we miss anything you want to plug oh a Cascadia JS get GGS y'all coming to Seattle yeah yeah we will be emceeing we said last time but if you didn't hear last time we will be co-emceeing Theo as you mentioned earlier will also be there I saw he's one of the keynotes no way I'm excited to high five him and be like I'm really appreciating your content right now thank you yeah they've been posting like daily this is the speaker things I'm assuming there'll be a this is our MCs about us at some point but cool I don't know we'll definitely be there I booked
my hotel in flight so we're good to go awesome yep stay tuned y'all we got more guests showing up we have Zach from Warp coming soon and I can't say anything but did you get their insiders email inviting you to this special thing that Ben Homes is in charge of maybe he's maybe he's just gonna bring you into that she told me he was gonna tell you some stuff I don't but I've been talking to Ben Homes all day today's tinker I have a meeting with him on Friday because I want to be like tell me what's new and cool and I'm gonna learn it on Friday dang it you got an email I didn't he's not just inviting you to the thing everyone's going to
I don't even know what everybody's going to man I don't either I got to cut this out like shortly before this but it's I'm not gonna say anything that is said because it's but it's an early thing I don't want to spoil their fun but like dang yeah I don't see it they're announcing some stuff and they're they're saying like the the people you know on the influencer whatever groups like I'm checking out first and let us know you think you're in that and I'm not I think that's why you got yeah just like you referring way more people than doing way more worth than I decide it's okay world yeah I'll be patient yeah all right cool well thanks everyone for listening
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