218: How to Build a Career When the Rules Keep Changing w/ Taylor Desseyn & Jason Torres

[00:00:00] Intro: Welcome to Syntax. Welcome to a brand new episode of the Front End Happy Hour podcast. Welcome to this week’s JS Party. Live from Ship Shape Studios, this is Whiskey Web and Whatnot. With your hosts, Robbie the Wagner, and me, Charles William Carpenter III. That’s right Charles. We drink whiskey and talk about web development.

[00:00:27] Intro: I mean, it’s all in the name. It’s not that deep. This is Whiskey Web and Whatnot. Do not adjust your set.

[00:00:36] Jason Torres:

[00:00:36] Robbie Wagner: Hey, what’s up everybody? We’re live now. Uh, this is Whiskey Web and whatnot. Ish. We’re gonna do some beer,

[00:00:44] Taylor Desseyn: Whiskey Web with tech commute and guidance counselor 2.0. You have three podcasts like you We’re all co-hosts. We’re all

[00:00:51] Jason Torres: host.

[00:00:52] Robbie Wagner: Yes, yes.

[00:00:53] Robbie Wagner: That

[00:00:53] Jason Torres: the host of the host of the host of, Hey, does this have like, uh, sound effects?

[00:00:58] Taylor Desseyn: Ah,

[00:00:58] Robbie Wagner: Uh,

[00:00:58] Robbie Wagner: theoretically, I [00:01:00] don’t know what they are. Let’s see.

[00:01:01] Jason Torres: Let’s see.

[00:01:03] Robbie Wagner: It’s not, well, it’s doing something.

[00:01:04] Robbie Wagner: It’s, I don’t hear it

[00:01:05] Jason Torres: that’s rather

[00:01:07] Taylor Desseyn: Hold on. I’m gonna share this. I’m gonna share this

[00:01:10] Jason Torres: Do the second one. I’m

[00:01:11] Robbie Wagner: Is it

[00:01:11] Taylor Desseyn: I’m gonna

[00:01:12] Robbie Wagner: this one? Air Horn. Yeah, but it’s, it’s probably like one of these Is it or something?

[00:01:19] Taylor Desseyn: oh.

[00:01:19] Taylor Desseyn: my gosh.

[00:01:19] Robbie Wagner: we

[00:01:20] Jason Torres: Oh shit.

[00:01:21] Taylor Desseyn: Hey, we’re live. Don’t curse. Can we curse?

[00:01:23] Robbie Wagner: You can curse.

[00:01:24] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:01:25] Jason Torres: Oh, that is amazing.

[00:01:26] Jason Torres: You’re welcome. You’re welcome. By the way, you didn’t

[00:01:29] Jason Torres: even

[00:01:29] Robbie Wagner: know.

[00:01:29] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:01:30] Taylor Desseyn: Hold on. I’m messaging my people and telling ‘em we’re live. So basically my mother and

[00:01:35] Jason Torres: what a fucking downgrade for you. You had Shrudy and Jason Langsdorf here. What happened?

[00:01:43] Taylor Desseyn: yeah. It’s like, oh

[00:01:44] Taylor Desseyn: God.

[00:01:46] Taylor Desseyn: It’s like the, it’s like the C team

[00:01:48] Taylor Desseyn: rolling

[00:01:48] Taylor Desseyn: in.

[00:01:48] Robbie Wagner: Hey, speaking of downgrades, let’s start with the alcohol.

[00:01:53] Jason Torres: Great segue. I

[00:01:54] Robbie Wagner: a, I have a toast for this. Okay.

[00:01:56] Taylor Desseyn: Wait, I feel like I can, I, I, I need, hold on. I need [00:02:00] something. Can I have a wine? I’m a

[00:02:01] Taylor Desseyn: big wine guy.

[00:02:02] Robbie Wagner: wine. I like wine.

[00:02:04] Robbie Wagner: Alcoholic

[00:02:04] Robbie Wagner: wine.

[00:02:05] Robbie Wagner: Alright, I’ll

[00:02:06] Robbie Wagner: do

[00:02:06] Robbie Wagner: wine.

[00:02:06] Robbie Wagner: Okay. Okay. I

[00:02:07] Robbie Wagner: thought

[00:02:07] Robbie Wagner: you

[00:02:07] Robbie Wagner: didn’t

[00:02:07] Robbie Wagner: do

[00:02:08] Taylor Desseyn: Well, no, I mean, I do, I I

[00:02:09] Taylor Desseyn: feel like I’m clipping my mic now. I

[00:02:12] Taylor Desseyn: like it’s

[00:02:13] Robbie Wagner: I

[00:02:13] Robbie Wagner: have Prosecco. I also have non-alcoholic

[00:02:15] Robbie Wagner: Prosecco.

[00:02:16] Taylor Desseyn: girl,

[00:02:17] Taylor Desseyn: girl.

[00:02:17] Taylor Desseyn: Gimme

[00:02:17] Taylor Desseyn: some

[00:02:17] Taylor Desseyn: Prosecco. I’ll do some bubbles. I’ll do, yeah, the Torque

[00:02:21] Taylor Desseyn: Boys and bubbles.

[00:02:23] Robbie Wagner: well

[00:02:23] Robbie Wagner: this

[00:02:23] Robbie Wagner: is gonna mess

[00:02:23] Robbie Wagner: up

[00:02:23] Robbie Wagner: my

[00:02:24] Robbie Wagner: toast, but that’s

[00:02:24] Jason Torres: fine.

[00:02:25] Jason Torres: It it, it won’t trust me. It’ll

[00:02:26] Robbie Wagner: still be

[00:02:27] Jason Torres: amazing.

[00:02:28] Taylor Desseyn: boys in bubbles

[00:02:29] Robbie Wagner: All right. Let’s do it. There you go. Pass it down.

[00:02:32] Jason Torres: Mm. Smell the after birth.

[00:02:34] Taylor Desseyn: Jesus Christ.

[00:02:37] Robbie Wagner: I don’t

[00:02:37] Jason Torres: No

[00:02:37] Jason Torres: office

[00:02:38] Robbie Wagner: the, uh, No office fans.

[00:02:40] Robbie Wagner: What is the, what is, what does Prosecco have to do?

[00:02:43] Robbie Wagner: All right,

[00:02:44] Jason Torres: All right. We have a ch we have a

[00:02:46] Jason Torres: cheers. A toast coming.

[00:02:47] Jason Torres: Hold on.

[00:02:47] Jason Torres: I want

[00:02:48] Robbie Wagner: I spent minutes of time coming

[00:02:50] Robbie Wagner: up with this

[00:02:50] Robbie Wagner: mostly

[00:02:51] Robbie Wagner: AI

[00:02:51] Robbie Wagner: generated, so what what did

[00:02:53] Robbie Wagner: you use?

[00:02:53] Taylor Desseyn: are, are, are, you able to

[00:02:54] Taylor Desseyn: see streaming comments?

[00:02:56] Robbie Wagner: Yes. I don’t, I’m not

[00:02:59] Taylor Desseyn: alerted [00:03:00] we should

[00:03:00] Taylor Desseyn: switch. ‘cause that’s what I do. I’m just kidding.

[00:03:03] Taylor Desseyn: We don’t have

[00:03:03] Taylor Desseyn: to.

[00:03:03] Jason Torres: no,

[00:03:04] Robbie Wagner: Listen,

[00:03:04] Robbie Wagner: we’re

[00:03:04] Robbie Wagner: not

[00:03:04] Robbie Wagner: trying

[00:03:05] Robbie Wagner: to

[00:03:05] Robbie Wagner: build an

[00:03:05] Robbie Wagner: audience.

[00:03:05] Robbie Wagner: We just want to,

[00:03:06] Taylor Desseyn: All

[00:03:07] Robbie Wagner: I’m just kidding.

[00:03:08] Taylor Desseyn: about building an audience, man. Everything.

[00:03:10] Taylor Desseyn: Everything’s

[00:03:10] Taylor Desseyn: a

[00:03:10] Robbie Wagner: fun. No. Okay. Alright. Alright,

[00:03:13] Robbie Wagner: So here’s to Bush light the beer that pairs perfectly with ramen and regret. Tech salaries are tanking and inflation sky high, and your startup stock is probably worth less than this can.

[00:03:24] Robbie Wagner: So let’s raise one to staying hydrated while our savings evaporate.

[00:03:28] Robbie Wagner: Cheers.

[00:03:28] Jason Torres: Cheers.

[00:03:29] Jason Torres: Cheers everybody. Welcome

[00:03:31] Jason Torres: to the

[00:03:31] Jason Torres: show.

[00:03:31] Jason Torres: Shout out to

[00:03:32] Robbie Wagner: a Bush Light. I feel like that could have been a commercial.

[00:03:34] Taylor Desseyn: So

[00:03:35] Taylor Desseyn: the last

[00:03:35] Taylor Desseyn: time I had Bush Light, I was playing a gig in Columbia, South Carolina. It was, uh, St. Patty’s Day and I was drinking out of a warm keg, and I’ve never

[00:03:44] Taylor Desseyn: drank

[00:03:44] Taylor Desseyn: bush light ever

[00:03:45] Taylor Desseyn: again.

[00:03:47] Taylor Desseyn: So I’m

[00:03:47] Robbie Wagner: do it.

[00:03:47] Taylor Desseyn: Prosecco

[00:03:48] Jason Torres: I

[00:03:48] Jason Torres: feel like everybody has that one story about one particular type of drink that it just, they will

[00:03:54] Jason Torres: never touch it again because of the

[00:03:56] Taylor Desseyn: It’s

[00:03:56] Robbie Wagner: Yep. Dragon

[00:03:57] Robbie Wagner: fruit, Bacardi

[00:03:58] Taylor Desseyn: Oh.

[00:03:59] Robbie Wagner: me. Oh

[00:03:59] Robbie Wagner: yeah. [00:04:00]

[00:04:00] Taylor Desseyn: The hangover. I can’t even

[00:04:02] Taylor Desseyn: imagine that.

[00:04:03] Taylor Desseyn: The sugar on

[00:04:03] Taylor Desseyn: the

[00:04:04] Taylor Desseyn: dragon fruit, God disgusting.

[00:04:06] Robbie Wagner: yeah.

[00:04:07] Robbie Wagner: I threw

[00:04:07] Robbie Wagner: up

[00:04:07] Robbie Wagner: a lot,

[00:04:08] Jason Torres: yeah, I can imagine.

[00:04:09] Jason Torres: Mine mine’s gold, schlager.

[00:04:11] Taylor Desseyn: That makes sense, dude. A little

[00:04:12] Taylor Desseyn: cinnamon

[00:04:13] Taylor Desseyn: Little

[00:04:13] Taylor Desseyn: cinnamon

[00:04:14] Jason Torres: sugar.

[00:04:15] Jason Torres: that’s,

[00:04:16] Jason Torres: that

[00:04:16] Jason Torres: just makes

[00:04:17] Taylor Desseyn: We, uh, back, back when, uh, me and Jake Etheridge moved to Nashville, we do these apartment parties and we made a, shock called, Well, rumper Rumple. MITs is a thing, but we combine Rumple, MITs,

[00:04:29] Taylor Desseyn: and Yagger together.

[00:04:30] Taylor Desseyn: It was disgusting.

[00:04:32] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, If you combine

[00:04:33] Robbie Wagner: anything with

[00:04:33] Robbie Wagner: Jager, it’s

[00:04:33] Robbie Wagner: disgusting.

[00:04:34] Taylor Desseyn: yeah.

[00:04:35] Jason Torres: Yeah. That’s what

[00:04:35] Jason Torres: it

[00:04:35] Jason Torres: was. yeah,

[00:04:36] Jason Torres: yeah. Something

[00:04:36] Taylor Desseyn: that.

[00:04:37] Taylor Desseyn: yeah.

[00:04:37] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah,

[00:04:37] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:04:37] Taylor Desseyn: trying

[00:04:38] Taylor Desseyn: to think of how

[00:04:38] Taylor Desseyn: anyways,

[00:04:39] Jason Torres: Anyway, I barely

[00:04:39] Jason Torres: drink alcohol

[00:04:40] Jason Torres: often. Right. Yeah. And

[00:04:42] Jason Torres: I only do at

[00:04:43] Jason Torres: work events. Yeah.

[00:04:43] Jason Torres: Yeah,

[00:04:44] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah,

[00:04:45] Jason Torres: No, we, we don’t at the house, like Rachel doesn’t drink, so I don’t, at the house.

[00:04:49] Robbie Wagner: yeah,

[00:04:50] Robbie Wagner: I, I

[00:04:50] Robbie Wagner: don’t at

[00:04:50] Robbie Wagner: home

[00:04:51] Robbie Wagner: either.

[00:04:51] Robbie Wagner: I have

[00:04:52] Taylor Desseyn: like.

[00:04:52] Robbie Wagner: of

[00:04:52] Robbie Wagner: whiskey and I don’t drink

[00:04:53] Jason Torres: I

[00:04:53] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:04:53] Taylor Desseyn: do

[00:04:54] Taylor Desseyn: like the occasional

[00:04:55] Taylor Desseyn: wine and uh, dollar General Wine. Prosecco’s. Great. That we’re drinking too.

[00:04:59] Taylor Desseyn: [00:05:00] So

[00:05:00] Robbie Wagner: Dollar General,

[00:05:01] Robbie Wagner: what is it

[00:05:02] Taylor Desseyn: Marcado

[00:05:02] Taylor Desseyn: or something

[00:05:02] Taylor Desseyn: like that.

[00:05:03] Robbie Wagner: What? This one?

[00:05:04] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah, the blue

[00:05:04] Taylor Desseyn: one.

[00:05:06] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:05:06] Jason Torres: Oh, Lamar.

[00:05:07] Robbie Wagner: What

[00:05:07] Robbie Wagner: say?

[00:05:07] Taylor Desseyn: What did that say

[00:05:08] Taylor Desseyn: Marcado? it’s close.

[00:05:10] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah,

[00:05:11] Robbie Wagner: Same. Same. No,

[00:05:12] Taylor Desseyn: bottle

[00:05:12] Taylor Desseyn: per seco.

[00:05:13] Taylor Desseyn: I love Kirk That and

[00:05:14] Taylor Desseyn: golf

[00:05:15] Taylor Desseyn: balls.

[00:05:15] Taylor Desseyn: Big golf

[00:05:16] Taylor Desseyn: guy.

[00:05:16] Taylor Desseyn: Kirkland.

[00:05:16] Taylor Desseyn: golf balls.

[00:05:18] Jason Torres: Shout out Kirkland and

[00:05:19] Jason Torres: Costco.

[00:05:20] Jason Torres: They’re

[00:05:20] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah, yeah. Costco is adult like we don’t

[00:05:23] Taylor Desseyn: have

[00:05:23] Taylor Desseyn: much anymore

[00:05:24] Taylor Desseyn: as adults.

[00:05:25] Taylor Desseyn: have

[00:05:26] Taylor Desseyn: Costco.

[00:05:27] Jason Torres: We always have Costco.

[00:05:28] Jason Torres: that’s their

[00:05:29] Jason Torres: tagline.

[00:05:29] Jason Torres: It is their tagline. We

[00:05:31] Taylor Desseyn: We don’t,

[00:05:32] Taylor Desseyn: We

[00:05:32] Taylor Desseyn: don’t

[00:05:33] Taylor Desseyn: have

[00:05:33] Jason Torres: much, but we

[00:05:33] Jason Torres: have

[00:05:34] Jason Torres: Costco. If that’s

[00:05:36] Taylor Desseyn: Disney. like

[00:05:37] Taylor Desseyn: a

[00:05:37] Taylor Desseyn: statement about our

[00:05:38] Jason Torres: generation,

[00:05:39] Robbie Wagner: Oh God. Oh

[00:05:40] Jason Torres: oh God, this is some great

[00:05:42] Robbie Wagner: What an intro.

[00:05:43] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:05:44] Taylor Desseyn: wow.

[00:05:45] Taylor Desseyn: People

[00:05:45] Taylor Desseyn: are

[00:05:45] Taylor Desseyn: like, who are

[00:05:46] Taylor Desseyn: these?

[00:05:46] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. Who are you

[00:05:47] Robbie Wagner: actually say,

[00:05:48] Robbie Wagner: say

[00:05:48] Robbie Wagner: your

[00:05:48] Robbie Wagner: names

[00:05:49] Robbie Wagner: and

[00:05:49] Jason Torres: Yeah, say your names. What your

[00:05:50] Jason Torres: deal?

[00:05:50] Jason Torres: my name is Jason Torres, known as at Tyson Jures because some p

[00:05:57] Jason Torres: some, some prick. Who [00:06:00] has

[00:06:00] Jason Torres: Jason

[00:06:00] Jason Torres: Torres.

[00:06:01] Taylor Desseyn: that

[00:06:01] Taylor Desseyn: why?

[00:06:01] Jason Torres: Oh, I

[00:06:01] Jason Torres: tried,

[00:06:02] Jason Torres: I

[00:06:02] Jason Torres: tried to get

[00:06:03] Taylor Desseyn: from him.

[00:06:03] Jason Torres: him.

[00:06:03] Jason Torres: He

[00:06:03] Jason Torres: already

[00:06:03] Jason Torres: had

[00:06:04] Jason Torres: it.

[00:06:04] Jason Torres: you

[00:06:04] Jason Torres: picking?

[00:06:05] Jason Torres: I

[00:06:05] Jason Torres: don’t know. It’s some think. Um,

[00:06:06] Taylor Desseyn: God.

[00:06:07] Jason Torres: and

[00:06:08] Jason Torres: I

[00:06:08] Jason Torres: asked him if he would

[00:06:09] Jason Torres: give it

[00:06:09] Jason Torres: to me and

[00:06:10] Jason Torres: he

[00:06:10] Jason Torres: said,

[00:06:11] Jason Torres: fuck off. did

[00:06:11] Taylor Desseyn: he really?

[00:06:12] Taylor Desseyn: He

[00:06:12] Taylor Desseyn: really said

[00:06:13] Taylor Desseyn: the

[00:06:13] Jason Torres: F

[00:06:13] Jason Torres: word.

[00:06:13] Jason Torres: Yeah. That’s

[00:06:14] Jason Torres: crazy.

[00:06:15] Jason Torres: My mom

[00:06:15] Taylor Desseyn: may be watching,

[00:06:15] Taylor Desseyn: so

[00:06:15] Taylor Desseyn: I’m not gonna.

[00:06:16] Jason Torres: sorry. Taylor’s

[00:06:17] Taylor Desseyn: I know seriously.

[00:06:18] Jason Torres: Karen

[00:06:19] Taylor Desseyn: and

[00:06:19] Taylor Desseyn: Dave. and

[00:06:19] Taylor Desseyn: Dave and Dave

[00:06:21] Jason Torres: Double D anyway. yeah.

[00:06:23] Jason Torres: So

[00:06:23] Jason Torres: so what do

[00:06:23] Jason Torres: you do at

[00:06:23] Jason Torres: Tor?

[00:06:24] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:06:24] Taylor Desseyn: do what

[00:06:24] Taylor Desseyn: do at tour community

[00:06:25] Jason Torres: manager,

[00:06:26] Jason Torres: evangelist, whatever that community evangelist@torque.dev.

[00:06:29] Jason Torres: , I get to go to all these great in-person events and connect people with, , job help, help. Is that a thing?

[00:06:37] Jason Torres: job

[00:06:38] Jason Torres: assistance,

[00:06:39] Taylor Desseyn: A job, job assistance. We’re an assisted

[00:06:42] Taylor Desseyn: living

[00:06:43] Jason Torres: job assisted living community. Interesting. Yeah. Something like that. Uh, I worked in film for a long time and then decided to go into tech. I was like, Hey, this is a really hard industry to get into.

[00:06:54] Jason Torres: Let me stop after

[00:06:56] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:06:56] Taylor Desseyn: made

[00:06:56] Taylor Desseyn: all

[00:06:56] Taylor Desseyn: this

[00:06:56] Taylor Desseyn: progress

[00:06:56] Taylor Desseyn: and

[00:06:57] Jason Torres: into

[00:06:57] Jason Torres: an even more

[00:06:58] Taylor Desseyn: and that’s hard. I

[00:06:59] Taylor Desseyn: mean, film, [00:07:00] my, my wife’s got some friends

[00:07:01] Taylor Desseyn: in film. I mean, that is brutal

[00:07:02] Taylor Desseyn: to try

[00:07:03] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:07:03] Taylor Desseyn: climb

[00:07:03] Taylor Desseyn: up.

[00:07:03] Jason Torres: Oh yeah.

[00:07:04] Jason Torres: It’s

[00:07:04] Jason Torres: just

[00:07:04] Jason Torres: like outlasting everywhere. basically.

[00:07:07] Jason Torres: Basically. And then you get to a certain point like you do in tech where you’re too old and nobody wants you.

[00:07:12] Jason Torres: So.

[00:07:13] Robbie Wagner: that’s that’s

[00:07:14] Taylor Desseyn: that’s a little bit of a hot take. Yeah.

[00:07:15] Taylor Desseyn: yeah, yeah. , So my name’s Taylor Deon. I am, ,

[00:07:18] Taylor Desseyn: the

[00:07:18] Taylor Desseyn: one that

[00:07:19] Taylor Desseyn: corrals

[00:07:19] Taylor Desseyn: this

[00:07:20] Taylor Desseyn: community

[00:07:20] Taylor Desseyn: team

[00:07:20] Taylor Desseyn: at

[00:07:20] Taylor Desseyn: Torque.

[00:07:21] Taylor Desseyn: Uh, yeah. And, uh,

[00:07:24] Taylor Desseyn: spent Oh. Oh

[00:07:31] Taylor Desseyn: gosh. Um,

[00:07:33] Taylor Desseyn: yeah,

[00:07:33] Taylor Desseyn: so

[00:07:33] Taylor Desseyn: I’ve,

[00:07:36] Robbie Wagner: I’m.

[00:07:36] Taylor Desseyn: so tired

[00:07:37] Taylor Desseyn: of sound

[00:07:37] Taylor Desseyn: effects. I’m already overstimulated, like, like with Jason, the talk we just gave, I’m so overstimulated. , So I spent 14 years in the staffing industry, probably placed over a thousand engineers at this point in their, in with jobs. , In my whole focus and kind of ethos with torque is like, welcome home.

[00:07:52] Taylor Desseyn: So we want this to be really a home base for you throughout your career and whatever you want. , Whether it’s a resume review or you just wanna meet people or you wanna level [00:08:00] up in some sort of, your job search or, or what’s going to come here soon is obviously some, technical content as well.

[00:08:06] Taylor Desseyn: So we

[00:08:06] Taylor Desseyn: just

[00:08:07] Taylor Desseyn: really

[00:08:07] Taylor Desseyn: wanna

[00:08:07] Taylor Desseyn: help

[00:08:07] Taylor Desseyn: people

[00:08:07] Taylor Desseyn: no matter where they’re at in their career.

[00:08:09] Robbie Wagner: Cool. Agreed.

[00:08:11] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah. Retweet.

[00:08:13] Jason Torres: Definitely.

[00:08:14] Robbie Wagner: Speaking of which, I feel like it depends who you ask if it’s a good time to get into tech because, AI is shaking things up and in general, , even before ai it was like money is shrinking, so it’s not this like infinite wealth,

[00:08:29] Robbie Wagner: like

[00:08:30] Robbie Wagner: get a job everywhere easily kind of thing.

[00:08:32] Robbie Wagner: Anymore. , Do you still think it’s a good time for people to, you know, if they’re not already in a tech career, be like, Hey, let me let me, switch and go to that.

[00:08:40] Taylor Desseyn: nope, was

[00:08:45] Robbie Wagner: a

[00:08:45] Robbie Wagner: yes question.

[00:08:46] Taylor Desseyn: No.

[00:08:47] Taylor Desseyn: I mean, listen.

[00:08:48] Taylor Desseyn: so, so

[00:08:50] Taylor Desseyn: I think, I think it’s yes

[00:08:52] Taylor Desseyn: and no, right? and this is kind

[00:08:54] Taylor Desseyn: of

[00:08:54] Taylor Desseyn: alluding

[00:08:55] Taylor Desseyn: to,

[00:08:55] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:08:55] Taylor Desseyn: my keynote tomorrow morning where it’s.

[00:08:57] Taylor Desseyn: it’s

[00:08:57] Taylor Desseyn: Everybody,

[00:08:58] Taylor Desseyn: honestly,

[00:08:58] Taylor Desseyn: is

[00:08:58] Taylor Desseyn: on an even

[00:08:59] Taylor Desseyn: playing

[00:08:59] Taylor Desseyn: field

[00:08:59] Taylor Desseyn: [00:09:00] now

[00:09:01] Taylor Desseyn: because

[00:09:01] Taylor Desseyn: of

[00:09:01] Taylor Desseyn: ai. right? You can go and you can learn, and you can be really good with AI tools.

[00:09:08] Taylor Desseyn: Now, I would argue that you don’t have maybe the fundamentals that

[00:09:10] Taylor Desseyn: a senior

[00:09:11] Taylor Desseyn: seasoned engineer does, but for the

[00:09:13] Taylor Desseyn: most

[00:09:14] Taylor Desseyn: part, a

[00:09:14] Taylor Desseyn: lot

[00:09:14] Taylor Desseyn: of

[00:09:14] Taylor Desseyn: people,

[00:09:15] Taylor Desseyn: what are you doing,

[00:09:15] Taylor Desseyn: Jason?

[00:09:17] Taylor Desseyn: What do you,

[00:09:17] Jason Torres: So I’m,

[00:09:18] Jason Torres: I’m,

[00:09:18] Robbie Wagner: this?

[00:09:20] Jason Torres: we

[00:09:20] Jason Torres: have

[00:09:21] Jason Torres: this

[00:09:21] Jason Torres: wonderfully open source.

[00:09:23] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:09:25] Jason Torres: Of

[00:09:25] Jason Torres: shit.

[00:09:26] Taylor Desseyn: Jason, literally Our

[00:09:27] Taylor Desseyn: entire torque community has

[00:09:29] Robbie Wagner: hazed

[00:09:29] Robbie Wagner: me and Star

[00:09:30] Robbie Wagner: bingo.

[00:09:31] Jason Torres: They call

[00:09:31] Jason Torres: it tango.

[00:09:32] Taylor Desseyn: What happens

[00:09:32] Robbie Wagner: What

[00:09:33] Robbie Wagner: happens

[00:09:33] Robbie Wagner: if

[00:09:33] Robbie Wagner: you

[00:09:33] Robbie Wagner: win

[00:09:33] Taylor Desseyn: I’m

[00:09:34] Jason Torres: Oh, I’m crying.

[00:09:34] Jason Torres: You’ll

[00:09:35] Jason Torres: see

[00:09:36] Jason Torres: here.

[00:09:36] Jason Torres: Well, I

[00:09:36] Jason Torres: can

[00:09:36] Taylor Desseyn: God, would you? I was trying to be thoughtful in

[00:09:40] Jason Torres: responses,

[00:09:40] Taylor Desseyn: you’re

[00:09:41] Taylor Desseyn: out here

[00:09:41] Taylor Desseyn: hazing me

[00:09:42] Taylor Desseyn: with

[00:09:42] Taylor Desseyn: bingo.

[00:09:43] Taylor Desseyn: God bless it.

[00:09:44] Taylor Desseyn: So,

[00:09:46] Taylor Desseyn: I’m

[00:09:46] Taylor Desseyn: sweating.

[00:09:48] Jason Torres: All right, carry

[00:09:49] Jason Torres: on.

[00:09:49] Taylor Desseyn: So

[00:09:49] Taylor Desseyn: I, I don’t know. I mean, listen, it sucks.

[00:09:51] Taylor Desseyn: The market sucks. I think it’s getting better. I don’t think it’s ever gonna rip the way it was. I do see signs of, of hiring increase.

[00:09:59] Taylor Desseyn: I mean,

[00:09:59] Taylor Desseyn: to be [00:10:00] honest with

[00:10:00] Taylor Desseyn: you,

[00:10:00] Taylor Desseyn: Torc we’re

[00:10:00] Taylor Desseyn: having

[00:10:01] Taylor Desseyn: a

[00:10:01] Taylor Desseyn: record year,

[00:10:02] Taylor Desseyn: Like

[00:10:03] Taylor Desseyn: we

[00:10:03] Taylor Desseyn: are having a record year, but I think there’s a lot of things chipping away at us hiring, right?

[00:10:08] Taylor Desseyn: We do a lot of lat Am that’s obviously getting hot. I think AI is making a developer, if you look at a developer as a 1.0 thing, AI’s making it a 1.25 in power, not a 10 x engineer, but like a 1.25 or a 1.5 that’s gonna eventually clip like chip away at the hiring for, you know, you’re not gonna see devs that have

[00:10:27] Taylor Desseyn: these like,

[00:10:28] Taylor Desseyn: or organizations have these huge dev teams.

[00:10:29] Taylor Desseyn: So. I think it’s good. I think it’s a good time because I think you’re at an even playing field when it comes to ai,

[00:10:34] Taylor Desseyn: but I

[00:10:34] Taylor Desseyn: still

[00:10:35] Taylor Desseyn: think

[00:10:35] Taylor Desseyn: it’s

[00:10:35] Taylor Desseyn: hard as hell.

[00:10:36] Robbie Wagner: yeah, I think it’s, , an interesting point you said that, you know, it’s harder in the US I don’t know what exactly what happened with the whole H one B Visa thing.

[00:10:44] Robbie Wagner: But I think that’s going to be, it’s going to backfire. You’re just gonna have a lot more people outside the US that get hired because you’re not gonna pay a hundred thousand dollars per dev that you’re bringing into the country. So it’s like, yeah. ‘cause I think they said it was like Amazon would have to pay

[00:10:59] Robbie Wagner: like [00:11:00]

[00:11:00] Robbie Wagner: $945 million

[00:11:02] Robbie Wagner: a year

[00:11:02] Robbie Wagner: or something

[00:11:03] Robbie Wagner: to

[00:11:03] Robbie Wagner: keep

[00:11:03] Robbie Wagner: all

[00:11:03] Robbie Wagner: their people, and

[00:11:04] Robbie Wagner: they were like,

[00:11:04] Jason Torres: reasonable. Absolutely.

[00:11:05] Jason Torres: not

[00:11:05] Jason Torres: doing that,

[00:11:06] Jason Torres: or

[00:11:06] Jason Torres: whatever.

[00:11:07] Robbie Wagner: Like,

[00:11:07] Jason Torres: Small. Yeah.

[00:11:08] Jason Torres: That’s like one week for Bezos.

[00:11:10] Jason Torres: no, to your point, and I guess to the question overall though is like, I think it is a good time, but not as like just a junior or entry level software engineer.

[00:11:20] Jason Torres: Like it’s

[00:11:21] Jason Torres: evolved. Like I

[00:11:22] Jason Torres: think

[00:11:22] Jason Torres: it’s a

[00:11:22] Jason Torres: great time to get in, maybe. Something more machine learning focused or AI focused, like focusing on the like really hot areas I think

[00:11:31] Jason Torres: is a great

[00:11:31] Jason Torres: time because there’s

[00:11:32] Jason Torres: so much

[00:11:32] Jason Torres: growth. But again, it’s like you can’t just learn

[00:11:36] Jason Torres: me stack and

[00:11:38] Robbie Wagner: and expect

[00:11:38] Robbie Wagner: to

[00:11:38] Jason Torres: get

[00:11:38] Jason Torres: hired

[00:11:39] Jason Torres: anymore,

[00:11:39] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:11:40] Taylor Desseyn: And and I

[00:11:40] Taylor Desseyn: also think too, I

[00:11:41] Taylor Desseyn: I I think like

[00:11:42] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:11:43] Taylor Desseyn: know

[00:11:43] Taylor Desseyn: AI is being used in all areas of tech, but I think the general, like Jason said, the general software developer job is gonna be very hard to get.

[00:11:53] Taylor Desseyn: However, we talk about a lot at Torque and like

[00:11:56] Taylor Desseyn: we have

[00:11:56] Taylor Desseyn: a lot

[00:11:56] Taylor Desseyn: of programs

[00:11:57] Taylor Desseyn: to get people

[00:11:57] Taylor Desseyn: involved. I

[00:11:58] Taylor Desseyn: think now’s

[00:11:58] Taylor Desseyn: the

[00:11:59] Taylor Desseyn: time. Listen,

[00:11:59] Taylor Desseyn: if you [00:12:00] like yapping, like Josh Siri, I just interviewed Josh Siri on my podcast last week or two weeks ago. Josh started as a sales engineer, right? If you love yapping, there’s a career for you.

[00:12:09] Taylor Desseyn: If you love data, data is still, I mean, I, I interviewed another Azure guy

[00:12:13] Taylor Desseyn: on

[00:12:13] Taylor Desseyn: my pod. Go ahead and put that down.

[00:12:15] Taylor Desseyn: the

[00:12:15] Taylor Desseyn: bingo

[00:12:16] Taylor Desseyn: and basically,

[00:12:17] Taylor Desseyn: uh,

[00:12:17] Taylor Desseyn: he, okay, so,

[00:12:20] Taylor Desseyn: so

[00:12:20] Taylor Desseyn: he said, he said

[00:12:21] Taylor Desseyn: It’s still

[00:12:21] Taylor Desseyn: hard to find Azure people.

[00:12:23] Taylor Desseyn: So

[00:12:23] Taylor Desseyn: like I,

[00:12:24] Taylor Desseyn: so

[00:12:24] Taylor Desseyn: I think

[00:12:24] Taylor Desseyn: what

[00:12:25] Taylor Desseyn: Jason said is, is exactly right. I think going into bootcamp, not getting any real world experience and just like,

[00:12:32] Taylor Desseyn: getting

[00:12:33] Taylor Desseyn: a mene

[00:12:33] Taylor Desseyn: stack

[00:12:34] Taylor Desseyn: job,

[00:12:35] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:12:35] Taylor Desseyn: think

[00:12:35] Taylor Desseyn: is

[00:12:35] Taylor Desseyn: a

[00:12:35] Taylor Desseyn: thing

[00:12:35] Taylor Desseyn: of the past.

[00:12:36] Jason Torres: , you mentioned, , Azure I

[00:12:38] Jason Torres: think it, I

[00:12:39] Jason Torres: think

[00:12:39] Jason Torres: it’s

[00:12:39] Jason Torres: in because there’s so

[00:12:40] Jason Torres: many legacy

[00:12:41] Jason Torres: code

[00:12:42] Jason Torres: bases that

[00:12:42] Jason Torres: people

[00:12:43] Jason Torres: are just

[00:12:43] Jason Torres: like

[00:12:43] Jason Torres: we were talking

[00:12:44] Jason Torres: about

[00:12:44] Jason Torres: mainframe

[00:12:44] Jason Torres: last

[00:12:44] Jason Torres: night.

[00:12:44] Jason Torres: kind of retiring

[00:12:46] Jason Torres: out of ball plays a

[00:12:47] Jason Torres: lot. Oh

[00:12:47] Jason Torres: dude,

[00:12:47] Jason Torres: But that’s, that’s

[00:12:48] Jason Torres: the thing. There aren’t

[00:12:49] Robbie Wagner: engineers

[00:12:50] Robbie Wagner: for

[00:12:50] Robbie Wagner: those

[00:12:51] Robbie Wagner: things because

[00:12:52] Robbie Wagner: again, like

[00:12:53] Robbie Wagner: because you can’t write JSX for it.

[00:12:54] Robbie Wagner: If they

[00:12:55] Robbie Wagner: make

[00:12:55] Robbie Wagner: COBOL that

[00:12:55] Jason Torres: runs

[00:12:56] Jason Torres: JSX,

[00:12:57] Jason Torres: Jesus.

[00:12:57] Taylor Desseyn: is, but okay.

[00:12:58] Jason Torres: it’s

[00:12:59] Jason Torres: uh,

[00:12:59] Jason Torres: like

[00:12:59] Jason Torres: the

[00:12:59] Jason Torres: [00:13:00] syntax

[00:13:00] Taylor Desseyn: is that another

[00:13:01] Taylor Desseyn: one?

[00:13:01] Robbie Wagner: would you

[00:13:01] Robbie Wagner: say

[00:13:01] Robbie Wagner: maybe you’re

[00:13:02] Robbie Wagner: not

[00:13:02] Jason Torres: technical.

[00:13:03] Taylor Desseyn: I’m not. you.

[00:13:08] Taylor Desseyn: Oh,

[00:13:08] Robbie Wagner: Oh,

[00:13:09] Taylor Desseyn: This is what I, I deal with all the time.

[00:13:11] Robbie Wagner: yeah.

[00:13:12] Robbie Wagner: , Okay. So yeah. Related

[00:13:14] Robbie Wagner: in

[00:13:14] Robbie Wagner: terms of what

[00:13:14] Robbie Wagner: you

[00:13:15] Robbie Wagner: guys

[00:13:15] Robbie Wagner: do. I’m wondering if there’s any movement towards a switch where like instead of the volume game of placing a lot of people, ‘cause there’s like that story about the guy that got like a billion dollar offer for like doing machine learning stuff.

[00:13:29] Robbie Wagner: do you just go after one whale a year or something and like a whole company can work up, be like his

[00:13:34] Robbie Wagner: agent

[00:13:35] Robbie Wagner: of like,

[00:13:36] Taylor Desseyn: so

[00:13:37] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah, I mean, so few years ago I read, , that. That was kind of happening in San Francisco. , I actually read recently that, , hedge funds were like starting to do that, like, like private. I’m not butchering it here. My brain’s going out. But yeah, there’s people negotiating, , like hedge funds, , type guys.

[00:13:54] Taylor Desseyn: Because of latam, because of offshore, because [00:14:00] of the

[00:14:00] Taylor Desseyn: market being

[00:14:01] Taylor Desseyn: more commoditized with ai, you’re seeing salaries come down

[00:14:05] Taylor Desseyn: and so I don’t think you’re going again as a traditional software engineer. I think the path is

[00:14:11] Taylor Desseyn: machine

[00:14:11] Taylor Desseyn: learning,

[00:14:12] Taylor Desseyn: NLP, computer vision.

[00:14:14] Taylor Desseyn: We are going through the next evolution of the web. This is on my keynote talk tomorrow. We’re

[00:14:18] Taylor Desseyn: in

[00:14:18] Taylor Desseyn: a similar pattern right now,

[00:14:19] Taylor Desseyn: is when

[00:14:19] Taylor Desseyn: React came out, there

[00:14:20] Taylor Desseyn: were people

[00:14:21] Taylor Desseyn: who

[00:14:21] Taylor Desseyn: wanted to,

[00:14:25] Jason Torres: literally

[00:14:26] Jason Torres: react.

[00:14:27] Robbie Wagner: What

[00:14:27] Robbie Wagner: If

[00:14:28] Robbie Wagner: you

[00:14:28] Taylor Desseyn: writing React?

[00:14:28] Taylor Desseyn: What

[00:14:29] Taylor Desseyn: might

[00:14:29] Robbie Wagner: you

[00:14:29] Robbie Wagner: write

[00:14:29] Robbie Wagner: it in?

[00:14:30] Taylor Desseyn: I don’t know, dude, I’m not technical. Put that

[00:14:32] Taylor Desseyn: down. , But what I’m saying is, is that no, when

[00:14:35] Taylor Desseyn: React

[00:14:35] Taylor Desseyn: came

[00:14:36] Taylor Desseyn: out,

[00:14:36] Taylor Desseyn: there were

[00:14:36] Taylor Desseyn: people

[00:14:37] Taylor Desseyn: who

[00:14:37] Taylor Desseyn: jumped

[00:14:37] Taylor Desseyn: on

[00:14:37] Taylor Desseyn: it.

[00:14:37] Taylor Desseyn: The

[00:14:37] Taylor Desseyn: people who

[00:14:38] Taylor Desseyn: stuck

[00:14:38] Taylor Desseyn: their

[00:14:38] Taylor Desseyn: head in

[00:14:38] Taylor Desseyn: the

[00:14:38] Taylor Desseyn: sand. Yeah, and those people who stuck their head in the sand.

[00:14:41] Taylor Desseyn: I still know people to

[00:14:42] Taylor Desseyn: this

[00:14:43] Taylor Desseyn: day who chose

[00:14:44] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:14:44] Taylor Desseyn: not learn, react, and they consistently

[00:14:45] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. What losers, who

[00:14:47] Robbie Wagner: would

[00:14:47] Robbie Wagner: do that?

[00:14:48] Robbie Wagner: That’s me.

[00:14:50] Taylor Desseyn: There you go. wait a

[00:14:51] Taylor Desseyn: second. There you

[00:14:51] Taylor Desseyn: go. But I know others have struggled to find a job. We are

[00:14:54] Taylor Desseyn: in that next

[00:14:55] Taylor Desseyn: evolution. Ai,

[00:14:56] Taylor Desseyn: if you

[00:14:56] Taylor Desseyn: don’t

[00:14:56] Taylor Desseyn: know where it’s

[00:14:57] Taylor Desseyn: going

[00:14:59] Taylor Desseyn: and

[00:14:59] Taylor Desseyn: you

[00:14:59] Taylor Desseyn: don’t

[00:14:59] Taylor Desseyn: learn

[00:14:59] Taylor Desseyn: [00:15:00] it,

[00:15:00] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:15:00] Taylor Desseyn: think three

[00:15:00] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:15:00] Taylor Desseyn: five

[00:15:01] Taylor Desseyn: years

[00:15:01] Taylor Desseyn: you’re

[00:15:01] Taylor Desseyn: behind.

[00:15:02] Taylor Desseyn: Even

[00:15:02] Taylor Desseyn: know

[00:15:03] Taylor Desseyn: No, no, no, no, no, no. But you’ll

[00:15:05] Taylor Desseyn: yeah,

[00:15:05] Taylor Desseyn: yeah,

[00:15:05] Taylor Desseyn: yeah, yeah, yeah,

[00:15:06] Taylor Desseyn: yeah,

[00:15:07] Jason Torres: Yeah. And you

[00:15:07] Jason Torres: need

[00:15:07] Jason Torres: to

[00:15:07] Jason Torres: know

[00:15:07] Jason Torres: how

[00:15:08] Jason Torres: to

[00:15:08] Jason Torres: use

[00:15:08] Jason Torres: it and

[00:15:09] Jason Torres: be

[00:15:09] Jason Torres: able to

[00:15:10] Taylor Desseyn: use,

[00:15:10] Taylor Desseyn: it somewhat.

[00:15:11] Jason Torres: The the Samurai knows it,

[00:15:14] Taylor Desseyn: Is He

[00:15:14] Taylor Desseyn: walking outta the samurai sword?

[00:15:15] Jason Torres: It’s an umbrella handle.

[00:15:17] Taylor Desseyn: that scared the

[00:15:17] Taylor Desseyn: shit outta me.

[00:15:18] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:15:19] Robbie Wagner: Okay.

[00:15:20] Taylor Desseyn: was like, all

[00:15:20] Jason Torres: Interesting.

[00:15:20] Jason Torres: But I guarantee

[00:15:21] Jason Torres: he knows it.

[00:15:22] Jason Torres: I am not

[00:15:23] Taylor Desseyn: sure

[00:15:23] Taylor Desseyn: if

[00:15:23] Taylor Desseyn: You

[00:15:23] Taylor Desseyn: just

[00:15:24] Taylor Desseyn: know

[00:15:25] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah, I was about to say talk.

[00:15:26] Jason Torres: I know ai. It’s fine.

[00:15:27] Jason Torres: Talk to

[00:15:27] Jason Torres: me

[00:15:28] Taylor Desseyn: I think that

[00:15:29] Taylor Desseyn: guy

[00:15:29] Jason Torres: into same line because of the sword.

[00:15:31] Taylor Desseyn: okay.

[00:15:36] Taylor Desseyn: All right. I know. Anyway,

[00:15:38] Robbie Wagner: Anyway,

[00:15:39] Jason Torres: Well, what

[00:15:40] Jason Torres: do you

[00:15:40] Jason Torres: got

[00:15:40] Taylor Desseyn: else

[00:15:40] Taylor Desseyn: do you wanna learn? What

[00:15:42] Taylor Desseyn: else

[00:15:42] Taylor Desseyn: do you

[00:15:42] Taylor Desseyn: wanna learn? Robbie?

[00:15:43] Jason Torres: let’s

[00:15:43] Jason Torres: see.

[00:15:44] Jason Torres: Dude, I

[00:15:44] Taylor Desseyn: your

[00:15:45] Taylor Desseyn: like

[00:15:45] Taylor Desseyn: interview with Shruti and I was like, so

[00:15:46] Taylor Desseyn: nice. And like, it was

[00:15:47] Taylor Desseyn: very

[00:15:48] Taylor Desseyn: educational. We’re

[00:15:48] Taylor Desseyn: like,

[00:15:49] Taylor Desseyn: Samurai just, uh, kids with

[00:15:52] Taylor Desseyn: Tourettes over

[00:15:53] Taylor Desseyn: here.

[00:15:54] Robbie Wagner: Um, yeah, I don’t know if, I mean, we kind of covered the first few here, I think. [00:16:00] Um,

[00:16:00] Taylor Desseyn: you came prepared.

[00:16:01] Robbie Wagner: I don’t know. I

[00:16:02] Robbie Wagner: feel like

[00:16:02] Taylor Desseyn: interested

[00:16:03] Taylor Desseyn: to see how you transition.

[00:16:04] Robbie Wagner: this

[00:16:05] Robbie Wagner: question.

[00:16:05] Robbie Wagner: I don’t know.

[00:16:06] Taylor Desseyn: to park the bus here. Um,

[00:16:07] Robbie Wagner: yeah, no, just to, to like button up what we were just talking about, Aside from learning skills and stuff, I mean you talk about this all the time, but like what can people do to like differentiate themselves like so that they can stand

[00:16:20] Taylor Desseyn: talk to

[00:16:20] Taylor Desseyn: people.

[00:16:21] Taylor Desseyn: I mean,

[00:16:21] Taylor Desseyn: literally, I

[00:16:23] Taylor Desseyn: mean, I hired

[00:16:23] Taylor Desseyn: Jason

[00:16:24] Taylor Desseyn: because

[00:16:25] Jason Torres: Jason

[00:16:25] Jason Torres: was

[00:16:26] Jason Torres: kind

[00:16:26] Jason Torres: of

[00:16:27] Jason Torres: what

[00:16:27] Taylor Desseyn: is

[00:16:27] Taylor Desseyn: that one of them?

[00:16:28] Robbie Wagner: Hire

[00:16:28] Robbie Wagner: Jason,

[00:16:29] Jason Torres: Chase,

[00:16:30] Robbie Wagner: Jason’s

[00:16:30] Robbie Wagner: hiring

[00:16:31] Robbie Wagner: story.

[00:16:34] Robbie Wagner: Oh,

[00:16:34] Jason Torres: Oh,

[00:16:35] Jason Torres: wow.

[00:16:36] Taylor Desseyn: Oh, my

[00:16:36] Jason Torres: What a

[00:16:36] Jason Torres: thorough,

[00:16:37] Jason Torres: thorough

[00:16:37] Jason Torres: game. I

[00:16:38] Jason Torres: know This

[00:16:38] Jason Torres: is,

[00:16:40] Jason Torres: but you know what’s wild? No.

[00:16:41] Taylor Desseyn: it’s a community.

[00:16:42] Taylor Desseyn: these

[00:16:43] Taylor Desseyn: people

[00:16:43] Taylor Desseyn: are

[00:16:44] Taylor Desseyn: so

[00:16:44] Taylor Desseyn: invested

[00:16:44] Taylor Desseyn: I know, dude. It

[00:16:45] Taylor Desseyn: is the

[00:16:45] Taylor Desseyn: best. We

[00:16:46] Taylor Desseyn: have the

[00:16:46] Taylor Desseyn: best

[00:16:46] Taylor Desseyn: community. I mean, for,

[00:16:47] Taylor Desseyn: we, we have people

[00:16:48] Taylor Desseyn: making

[00:16:48] Taylor Desseyn: games like, to make fun of me. It’s great.

[00:16:50] Taylor Desseyn: ,

[00:16:50] Taylor Desseyn: So

[00:16:51] Taylor Desseyn: no, but

[00:16:51] Taylor Desseyn: like

[00:16:51] Taylor Desseyn: you have

[00:16:52] Taylor Desseyn: to,

[00:16:52] Taylor Desseyn: it’s

[00:16:52] Taylor Desseyn: literally

[00:16:53] Taylor Desseyn: your network.

[00:16:54] Taylor Desseyn: more

[00:16:54] Taylor Desseyn: than

[00:16:55] Taylor Desseyn: ever,

[00:16:55] Taylor Desseyn: People

[00:16:56] Taylor Desseyn: are finding jobs and they’re doing it through their network. Right. Like I am [00:17:00] bringing on every time. Somebody I know either directly know or kind of is in my like first connection, second

[00:17:05] Taylor Desseyn: connection on Twitter

[00:17:06] Taylor Desseyn: or LinkedIn, that find a

[00:17:07] Taylor Desseyn: job.

[00:17:08] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:17:08] Taylor Desseyn: reach

[00:17:08] Taylor Desseyn: out to them and ask them

[00:17:10] Taylor Desseyn: how

[00:17:10] Taylor Desseyn: did they

[00:17:10] Taylor Desseyn: find it?

[00:17:11] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:17:12] Taylor Desseyn: 90%

[00:17:13] Taylor Desseyn: of the

[00:17:13] Taylor Desseyn: answers

[00:17:14] Taylor Desseyn: from

[00:17:14] Taylor Desseyn: a

[00:17:14] Taylor Desseyn: friend, the problem is is that it goes against everything

[00:17:20] Taylor Desseyn: we’re taught as humans, we confuse activity with productivity in that we’re gonna submit a thousand

[00:17:26] Taylor Desseyn: applicants.

[00:17:27] Taylor Desseyn: our applications, we think that’s gonna help.

[00:17:29] Taylor Desseyn: When in actuality you come

[00:17:31] Taylor Desseyn: into

[00:17:31] Taylor Desseyn: this

[00:17:32] Taylor Desseyn: thing,

[00:17:32] Taylor Desseyn: spending

[00:17:32] Taylor Desseyn: three days. I mean, there was one guy at our meetup last night

[00:17:36] Taylor Desseyn: that said

[00:17:37] Taylor Desseyn: he

[00:17:37] Taylor Desseyn: got

[00:17:37] Taylor Desseyn: a

[00:17:37] Taylor Desseyn: job

[00:17:37] Taylor Desseyn: at

[00:17:37] Taylor Desseyn: our meetup or like an offer.

[00:17:39] Taylor Desseyn: like, like

[00:17:40] Taylor Desseyn: a, like a,

[00:17:40] Taylor Desseyn: verbal.

[00:17:41] Taylor Desseyn: That

[00:17:41] Taylor Desseyn: doesn’t

[00:17:41] Taylor Desseyn: happen

[00:17:42] Taylor Desseyn: if

[00:17:42] Taylor Desseyn: you’re

[00:17:42] Taylor Desseyn: online.

[00:17:43] Taylor Desseyn: Right. And so

[00:17:43] Taylor Desseyn: that’s why

[00:17:43] Taylor Desseyn: we’re really big in kind of bringing it back to torque, is like we do the virtual events, we have the

[00:17:48] Taylor Desseyn: tech commute, we have

[00:17:48] Taylor Desseyn: the guidance counselor 2.0,

[00:17:50] Taylor Desseyn: we have the

[00:17:50] Taylor Desseyn: resume reviews, we have all that stuff.

[00:17:52] Taylor Desseyn: But

[00:17:52] Taylor Desseyn: at the

[00:17:53] Taylor Desseyn: end

[00:17:53] Taylor Desseyn: of the day,

[00:17:53] Taylor Desseyn: you

[00:17:53] Taylor Desseyn: still have to show up. You still have to shake

[00:17:55] Taylor Desseyn: hands. And

[00:17:56] Taylor Desseyn: that is

[00:17:57] Taylor Desseyn: really

[00:17:57] Taylor Desseyn: what

[00:17:57] Taylor Desseyn: set and that, and that’s

[00:17:58] Taylor Desseyn: why

[00:17:58] Taylor Desseyn: I,

[00:17:58] Taylor Desseyn: hired

[00:17:58] Taylor Desseyn: him,

[00:17:59] Taylor Desseyn: going back

[00:17:59] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:17:59] Taylor Desseyn: him.

[00:17:59] Taylor Desseyn: [00:18:00] Like

[00:18:00] Jason Torres: full circle. hired him.

[00:18:01] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:18:02] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. I mean, it’s also easier for like, you know, everybody’s getting a thousand applicants per job and they’re like, well shit, I don’t want to go

[00:18:09] Robbie Wagner: through these.

[00:18:09] Robbie Wagner: So

[00:18:10] Robbie Wagner: if they have someone they know that

[00:18:11] Robbie Wagner: like.

[00:18:12] Robbie Wagner: It’s

[00:18:12] Robbie Wagner: like,

[00:18:12] Robbie Wagner: Hey,

[00:18:12] Robbie Wagner: you can

[00:18:12] Robbie Wagner: put

[00:18:12] Robbie Wagner: me

[00:18:13] Robbie Wagner: in as a referral.

[00:18:13] Robbie Wagner: And they do, Then

[00:18:14] Robbie Wagner: they’re

[00:18:14] Robbie Wagner: gonna

[00:18:14] Robbie Wagner: be like,

[00:18:14] Robbie Wagner: AHS, so

[00:18:15] Robbie Wagner: much easier

[00:18:15] Robbie Wagner: for

[00:18:15] Robbie Wagner: me.

[00:18:15] Robbie Wagner: I don’t

[00:18:16] Robbie Wagner: want to do that.

[00:18:17] Robbie Wagner: So

[00:18:17] Jason Torres: that’s why we advocate for the community a lot more too, because again, it’s when

[00:18:21] Jason Torres: you know those people

[00:18:22] Jason Torres: and then a role comes up like who’s

[00:18:24] Jason Torres: the, who’s

[00:18:24] Jason Torres: top of

[00:18:24] Jason Torres: mind,

[00:18:25] Jason Torres: like the

[00:18:26] Jason Torres: people

[00:18:26] Jason Torres: you

[00:18:26] Taylor Desseyn: I,

[00:18:27] Jason Torres: with.

[00:18:27] Jason Torres: It’s the people you like,

[00:18:28] Taylor Desseyn: I I also,

[00:18:30] Taylor Desseyn: this

[00:18:30] Taylor Desseyn: may

[00:18:30] Taylor Desseyn: be

[00:18:30] Taylor Desseyn: very

[00:18:33] Taylor Desseyn: hot.

[00:18:33] Taylor Desseyn: Take ish night. Damnit.

[00:18:36] Robbie Wagner: What

[00:18:36] Taylor Desseyn: What was it? Oh God. This, This,

[00:18:39] Taylor Desseyn: this, may be hot take ish of me. I don’t know. In the world we’re in. How you

[00:18:46] Taylor Desseyn: can

[00:18:46] Taylor Desseyn: feasibly get

[00:18:47] Taylor Desseyn: a job

[00:18:48] Taylor Desseyn: without

[00:18:49] Taylor Desseyn: leveraging

[00:18:49] Taylor Desseyn: LinkedIn or X?

[00:18:51] Robbie Wagner: Yeah,

[00:18:52] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:18:52] Taylor Desseyn: mean, like

[00:18:53] Taylor Desseyn: it, it

[00:18:53] Taylor Desseyn: still

[00:18:54] Taylor Desseyn: happens. It

[00:18:54] Taylor Desseyn: still

[00:18:54] Taylor Desseyn: happens,

[00:18:55] Taylor Desseyn: but my

[00:18:56] Taylor Desseyn: 65-year-old

[00:18:57] Taylor Desseyn: dad

[00:18:59] Taylor Desseyn: who

[00:18:59] Taylor Desseyn: is in

[00:18:59] Taylor Desseyn: the [00:19:00] restaurant industry

[00:19:01] Taylor Desseyn: is

[00:19:01] Taylor Desseyn: out

[00:19:01] Taylor Desseyn: here

[00:19:01] Taylor Desseyn: posting

[00:19:01] Taylor Desseyn: the LinkedIn.

[00:19:02] Taylor Desseyn: Is that

[00:19:03] Jason Torres: Where’s he work?

[00:19:04] Taylor Desseyn: Pec or uh uh, is that

[00:19:07] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:19:08] Taylor Desseyn: he doesn’t work at PAC anymore, but he did. But so, so for me, it’s, it’s one of these things where like,

[00:19:13] Taylor Desseyn: I feasibly

[00:19:13] Taylor Desseyn: don’t know how you do it.

[00:19:14] Taylor Desseyn: Like, I, I

[00:19:15] Taylor Desseyn: literally, it’s all the conversation’s happening there, that’s in my talk tomorrow.

[00:19:19] Taylor Desseyn: Like leveraging X to find these AI sub-communities talking about yourself, getting on LinkedIn, getting in a discord If you are not everywhere online, I’m not asking you to be Mr. Beast,

[00:19:31] Taylor Desseyn: I’m not

[00:19:31] Taylor Desseyn: asking

[00:19:31] Taylor Desseyn: you to be Kai Cenat and streaming 24/7 but

[00:19:34] Taylor Desseyn: man, you

[00:19:34] Taylor Desseyn: better

[00:19:34] Taylor Desseyn: be talking

[00:19:35] Taylor Desseyn: about

[00:19:35] Taylor Desseyn: what you’re doing.

[00:19:36] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:19:36] Robbie Wagner: But

[00:19:36] Taylor Desseyn: And, and that’s why I found Jason again. Sure.

[00:19:38] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:19:39] Taylor Desseyn: A hundred percent. That’s why I found

[00:19:40] Taylor Desseyn: Jason. Jason,

[00:19:41] Taylor Desseyn: I mean, shout out to Jason. Like he threw a,

[00:19:43] Taylor Desseyn: what,

[00:19:43] Taylor Desseyn: two

[00:19:43] Taylor Desseyn: day

[00:19:43] Taylor Desseyn: conference for

[00:19:44] Taylor Desseyn: a friend

[00:19:44] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:19:44] Taylor Desseyn: raise

[00:19:45] Taylor Desseyn: money

[00:19:45] Taylor Desseyn: for his wife who has cancer,

[00:19:46] Taylor Desseyn: where he

[00:19:47] Taylor Desseyn: raised

[00:19:47] Taylor Desseyn: $10,000

[00:19:48] Jason Torres: Yeah. O

[00:19:49] Jason Torres: over

[00:19:49] Taylor Desseyn: over

[00:19:49] Taylor Desseyn: that,

[00:19:50] Taylor Desseyn: Oh,

[00:19:50] Taylor Desseyn: okay.

[00:19:50] Taylor Desseyn: I,

[00:19:51] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:19:51] Taylor Desseyn: haven’t done

[00:19:51] Taylor Desseyn: that.

[00:19:51] Taylor Desseyn: Have you done that?

[00:19:53] Taylor Desseyn: That’s

[00:19:53] Taylor Desseyn: why

[00:19:53] Taylor Desseyn: I hired him. That’s why I hired him because he showed it in public.

[00:19:57] Taylor Desseyn: He built the damn thing, and I, I, I,

[00:19:59] Taylor Desseyn: wanted,

[00:19:59] Taylor Desseyn: [00:20:00] I

[00:20:00] Taylor Desseyn: want

[00:20:00] Taylor Desseyn: people who do

[00:20:01] Taylor Desseyn: that,

[00:20:01] Taylor Desseyn: and

[00:20:01] Taylor Desseyn: I think

[00:20:02] Taylor Desseyn: every

[00:20:02] Taylor Desseyn: company

[00:20:02] Taylor Desseyn: wants that.

[00:20:03] Taylor Desseyn: So shout out to

[00:20:04] Taylor Desseyn: you, ma’am.

[00:20:05] Taylor Desseyn: No problem.

[00:20:06] Taylor Desseyn: No problem.

[00:20:07] Jason Torres: dude. We got, we got paparazzo,

[00:20:09] Taylor Desseyn: Paparazzi.

[00:20:11] Jason Torres: paparazzi.

[00:20:11] Jason Torres: Uh, speaking of That did, have

[00:20:13] Taylor Desseyn: Gaga approach.

[00:20:14] Taylor Desseyn: I have it. Should we go next?

[00:20:15] Taylor Desseyn: Wonderful.

[00:20:16] Jason Torres: water

[00:20:17] Jason Torres: in there. It’s like a

[00:20:18] Jason Torres: grapefruit, a

[00:20:19] Jason Torres: grapefruit infused

[00:20:20] Jason Torres: one.

[00:20:21] Taylor Desseyn: Oh, I love grapefruit.

[00:20:22] Jason Torres: I had an Easter egg request for the word grapefruit,

[00:20:25] Jason Torres: so I had to say it.

[00:20:26] Jason Torres: No.

[00:20:27] Jason Torres: Uh,

[00:20:27] Taylor Desseyn: cucumber,

[00:20:27] Taylor Desseyn: mint,

[00:20:28] Taylor Desseyn: Oh, I

[00:20:28] Jason Torres: and then a watermelon. Like other one. They’re fanta.

[00:20:31] Taylor Desseyn: All right, well, I, well, well,

[00:20:33] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:20:33] Jason Torres: I need a snack

[00:20:33] Jason Torres: dude. so they didn’t have anything in there,

[00:20:35] Jason Torres: Robbie. What else

[00:20:35] Jason Torres: got?

[00:20:36] Robbie Wagner: got?

[00:20:36] Taylor Desseyn: dog.

[00:20:36] Robbie Wagner: since we’re at all Things Open, what role do you think open source plays in getting hired? Helpful? Not that helpful. Yeah,

[00:20:42] Robbie Wagner: When

[00:20:42] Robbie Wagner: we

[00:20:43] Robbie Wagner: say

[00:20:43] Robbie Wagner: open

[00:20:43] Robbie Wagner: source,

[00:20:44] Taylor Desseyn: source. Now

[00:20:45] Robbie Wagner: is

[00:20:45] Robbie Wagner: it?

[00:20:45] Taylor Desseyn: saying Java’s open

[00:20:46] Taylor Desseyn: source?

[00:20:47] Robbie Wagner: no.

[00:20:48] Robbie Wagner: no. I’m

[00:20:48] Robbie Wagner: just

[00:20:48] Robbie Wagner: like

[00:20:49] Robbie Wagner: being

[00:20:49] Jason Torres: like,

[00:20:50] Jason Torres: is

[00:20:50] Jason Torres: that one

[00:20:50] Jason Torres: of

[00:20:50] Jason Torres: them?

[00:20:51] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:20:51] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah. Damn

[00:20:52] Taylor Desseyn: Hots.

[00:20:52] Jason Torres: Hot.

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[00:21:26] Jason Torres: I mean,

[00:21:27] Jason Torres: I

[00:21:27] Jason Torres: don’t,

[00:21:27] Robbie Wagner: don’t

[00:21:28] Robbie Wagner: know

[00:21:28] Robbie Wagner: what

[00:21:28] Robbie Wagner: all is open

[00:21:28] Robbie Wagner: source,

[00:21:29] Robbie Wagner: but I

[00:21:29] Robbie Wagner: think

[00:21:29] Robbie Wagner: the

[00:21:30] Robbie Wagner: web

[00:21:30] Robbie Wagner: is

[00:21:30] Robbie Wagner: open

[00:21:30] Robbie Wagner: source.

[00:21:30] Robbie Wagner: So

[00:21:31] Jason Torres: think

[00:21:31] Jason Torres: that’s

[00:21:31] Jason Torres: kind

[00:21:31] Jason Torres: of a redundant

[00:21:31] Jason Torres: question.

[00:21:32] Jason Torres: Mm-hmm.

[00:21:32] Jason Torres: I

[00:21:33] Jason Torres: guess

[00:21:33] Jason Torres: most

[00:21:33] Jason Torres: of things

[00:21:33] Jason Torres: on the

[00:21:34] Jason Torres: web

[00:21:34] Jason Torres: are

[00:21:34] Jason Torres: it’s subjective. Yeah.

[00:21:35] Jason Torres: It’s like how

[00:21:37] Jason Torres: important is

[00:21:37] Jason Torres: a

[00:21:37] Jason Torres: good resume? How important is

[00:21:39] Jason Torres: work

[00:21:39] Jason Torres: experience? How important is your, like technical acumen? So you can

[00:21:43] Jason Torres: pick, It depends.

[00:21:44] Jason Torres: It it

[00:21:44] Jason Torres: does, No,

[00:21:45] Jason Torres: it does,

[00:21:45] Jason Torres: because

[00:21:46] Jason Torres: you know,

[00:21:46] Jason Torres: it

[00:21:46] Jason Torres: also depends

[00:21:47] Jason Torres: on

[00:21:47] Jason Torres: like what

[00:21:48] Jason Torres: kind of orgs you’re going after. Like some places aren’t open source, they don’t give a shit. Like what, what would that be a benefit to you to even be interacting with then? So I,

[00:21:57] Jason Torres: I

[00:21:57] Jason Torres: think

[00:21:57] Jason Torres: it’s very

[00:21:58] Jason Torres: relative

[00:21:58] Jason Torres: to

[00:21:59] Jason Torres: the [00:22:00] scenario

[00:22:00] Jason Torres: completely

[00:22:01] Jason Torres: as

[00:22:01] Jason Torres: is

[00:22:01] Jason Torres: anything

[00:22:01] Jason Torres: though.

[00:22:02] Jason Torres: It’s like, either side

[00:22:03] Jason Torres: of it.

[00:22:03] Jason Torres: I

[00:22:03] Jason Torres: think

[00:22:04] Taylor Desseyn: open

[00:22:04] Taylor Desseyn: source

[00:22:04] Taylor Desseyn: to me

[00:22:05] Taylor Desseyn: is

[00:22:05] Taylor Desseyn: less,

[00:22:06] Taylor Desseyn: ,

[00:22:06] Taylor Desseyn: Tech

[00:22:06] Taylor Desseyn: more community.

[00:22:08] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:22:08] Taylor Desseyn: Right?

[00:22:08] Taylor Desseyn: Like to

[00:22:09] Taylor Desseyn: me

[00:22:09] Taylor Desseyn: it’s like,

[00:22:09] Taylor Desseyn: like I

[00:22:10] Taylor Desseyn: think

[00:22:10] Taylor Desseyn: Todd

[00:22:11] Taylor Desseyn: has done, shout out Todd Lewis again.

[00:22:12] Taylor Desseyn: Fellow South Carolina Gamecock grad. this

[00:22:15] Taylor Desseyn: conference

[00:22:15] Taylor Desseyn: is

[00:22:15] Taylor Desseyn: a little different, right? I

[00:22:16] Taylor Desseyn: was telling Jason

[00:22:16] Taylor Desseyn: this,

[00:22:17] Taylor Desseyn: this

[00:22:17] Taylor Desseyn: isn’t tech Twitter, like

[00:22:18] Taylor Desseyn: there’s obviously

[00:22:19] Taylor Desseyn: tech

[00:22:19] Taylor Desseyn: Twitter here.

[00:22:20] Robbie Wagner: Yeah,

[00:22:21] Robbie Wagner: no

[00:22:21] Jason Torres: tech.

[00:22:21] Taylor Desseyn: This is

[00:22:21] Taylor Desseyn: a very,

[00:22:23] Taylor Desseyn: and,

[00:22:23] Taylor Desseyn: and, and commit

[00:22:24] Taylor Desseyn: your code

[00:22:24] Taylor Desseyn: with, with

[00:22:25] Taylor Desseyn: Shout

[00:22:25] Taylor Desseyn: out Danny.

[00:22:25] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:22:26] Taylor Desseyn: mean, hell of,

[00:22:26] Jason Torres: of, Hell

[00:22:27] Taylor Desseyn: of an

[00:22:27] Taylor Desseyn: event. I

[00:22:27] Taylor Desseyn: dropped my vlog today. Check it out. youtube.com back slash to. I know you

[00:22:32] Taylor Desseyn: looking for that.

[00:22:33] Taylor Desseyn: you should

[00:22:33] Taylor Desseyn: say

[00:22:33] Taylor Desseyn: self-promotion, which should be one of

[00:22:35] Taylor Desseyn: them

[00:22:35] Taylor Desseyn: anyways. But

[00:22:36] Taylor Desseyn: like for me,

[00:22:38] Taylor Desseyn: open source. Is the community.

[00:22:40] Taylor Desseyn: And I think Todd’s done such a great job fostering, and Todd shows

[00:22:44] Taylor Desseyn: that

[00:22:44] Taylor Desseyn: you

[00:22:44] Taylor Desseyn: don’t need a discord, that you don’t need a slack, you just need location, time, and great content because he’s

[00:22:53] Taylor Desseyn: throwing meetups

[00:22:53] Taylor Desseyn: with two,

[00:22:54] Taylor Desseyn: when

[00:22:54] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:22:54] Taylor Desseyn: spoke,

[00:22:55] Taylor Desseyn: 200

[00:22:55] Taylor Desseyn: people showed up, 200

[00:22:56] Taylor Desseyn: people,

[00:22:56] Taylor Desseyn: two

[00:22:57] Taylor Desseyn: ain’t

[00:22:57] Taylor Desseyn: meetup.

[00:22:58] Robbie Wagner: Yeah,

[00:22:59] Taylor Desseyn: That’s

[00:22:59] Taylor Desseyn: not [00:23:00] happening in Nashville.

[00:23:01] Taylor Desseyn: That’s not happening

[00:23:01] Taylor Desseyn: in Nashville. And so. Again, open source to me is more of a community mind mindset than

[00:23:07] Taylor Desseyn: a

[00:23:07] Taylor Desseyn: tech mindset.

[00:23:08] Taylor Desseyn: And I think

[00:23:08] Taylor Desseyn: yes,

[00:23:09] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:23:09] Taylor Desseyn: think

[00:23:09] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:23:09] Taylor Desseyn: have that

[00:23:10] Taylor Desseyn: mindset

[00:23:10] Taylor Desseyn: and to

[00:23:10] Taylor Desseyn: being community is

[00:23:11] Jason Torres: community, I agree with that.

[00:23:13] Jason Torres: Totally. Yeah. I appreciate you

[00:23:15] Taylor Desseyn: with me on.

[00:23:16] Jason Torres: at the same time, I think that it is an opportunity for people to like get involved in different ways. And again, it’s like community based. We built a repository for hack Tober Fest just so

[00:23:27] Jason Torres: people

[00:23:27] Jason Torres: could contribute

[00:23:28] Jason Torres: and

[00:23:28] Jason Torres: like

[00:23:29] Jason Torres: get

[00:23:29] Jason Torres: involved

[00:23:30] Jason Torres: with open

[00:23:30] Jason Torres: source.

[00:23:30] Jason Torres: Is

[00:23:31] Jason Torres: he

[00:23:31] Jason Torres: still taking

[00:23:32] Jason Torres: pictures?

[00:23:32] Jason Torres: He’s still taking

[00:23:33] Jason Torres: pictures,

[00:23:34] Taylor Desseyn: gotta gotta get the content.

[00:23:37] Jason Torres: but yeah,

[00:23:37] Jason Torres: I mean,

[00:23:38] Jason Torres: I,

[00:23:38] Jason Torres: I

[00:23:38] Jason Torres: think

[00:23:38] Jason Torres: it

[00:23:38] Jason Torres: has

[00:23:39] Jason Torres: a,

[00:23:41] Jason Torres: a varying

[00:23:41] Jason Torres: degree of

[00:23:42] Jason Torres: effectiveness

[00:23:43] Jason Torres: as to how it can get you a job.

[00:23:44] Jason Torres: I think

[00:23:45] Robbie Wagner: again,

[00:23:45] Robbie Wagner: Yes.

[00:23:45] Jason Torres: how you

[00:23:46] Jason Torres: leverage it. Yeah. So,

[00:23:48] Robbie Wagner: True, true.

[00:23:48] Robbie Wagner: All right, so

[00:23:49] Robbie Wagner: you

[00:23:49] Robbie Wagner: mentioned the

[00:23:49] Robbie Wagner: Gamecocks. Yeah.

[00:23:51] Robbie Wagner: So, uh,

[00:23:52] Robbie Wagner: you think Shane Beamer will, uh, come to Virginia Tech. Uh,

[00:23:55] Taylor Desseyn: they, so, so

[00:23:56] Taylor Desseyn: you

[00:23:57] Taylor Desseyn: hope he

[00:23:57] Robbie Wagner: does?

[00:23:57] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:23:58] Robbie Wagner: So

[00:23:58] Taylor Desseyn: So I will

[00:23:58] Taylor Desseyn: tell

[00:23:59] Taylor Desseyn: you

[00:23:59] Taylor Desseyn: this.

[00:23:59] Taylor Desseyn: There

[00:23:59] Taylor Desseyn: [00:24:00] is,

[00:24:00] Taylor Desseyn: sorry.

[00:24:00] Taylor Desseyn: Uh,

[00:24:01] Taylor Desseyn: you

[00:24:01] Taylor Desseyn: can’t really,

[00:24:01] Taylor Desseyn: contribute here

[00:24:02] Taylor Desseyn: in this conversation. Yeah, yeah,

[00:24:03] Taylor Desseyn: yeah.

[00:24:04] Taylor Desseyn: So,

[00:24:04] Jason Torres: So,

[00:24:05] Jason Torres: basically,

[00:24:05] Jason Torres: yeah,

[00:24:06] Taylor Desseyn: yeah, Because where, what

[00:24:07] Taylor Desseyn: town

[00:24:07] Taylor Desseyn: are

[00:24:07] Taylor Desseyn: you?

[00:24:07] Taylor Desseyn: Where,

[00:24:08] Taylor Desseyn: where do you

[00:24:08] Taylor Desseyn: live again in?

[00:24:08] Taylor Desseyn: Virginia? Uh,

[00:24:09] Jason Torres: great

[00:24:09] Jason Torres: Falls

[00:24:10] Taylor Desseyn: great Falls. Great Falls,

[00:24:11] Taylor Desseyn: okay. Oh, wow.

[00:24:11] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:24:11] Taylor Desseyn: didn’t

[00:24:12] Taylor Desseyn: know

[00:24:12] Taylor Desseyn: you

[00:24:12] Taylor Desseyn: were

[00:24:12] Taylor Desseyn: that far

[00:24:12] Taylor Desseyn: north.

[00:24:13] Taylor Desseyn: , So

[00:24:13] Taylor Desseyn: basically there is, I’ve seen some tweets

[00:24:16] Taylor Desseyn: where

[00:24:17] Taylor Desseyn: from

[00:24:18] Taylor Desseyn: a South Carolina football perspective, there’s so much

[00:24:20] Taylor Desseyn: bad happening on the field. people

[00:24:22] Taylor Desseyn: are

[00:24:23] Taylor Desseyn: saying

[00:24:23] Taylor Desseyn: it’s almost like neglect

[00:24:25] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:24:25] Taylor Desseyn: where

[00:24:25] Taylor Desseyn: a

[00:24:25] Taylor Desseyn: coach

[00:24:26] Taylor Desseyn: can’t

[00:24:26] Taylor Desseyn: be

[00:24:26] Taylor Desseyn: that

[00:24:27] Taylor Desseyn: neglectful unless

[00:24:28] Taylor Desseyn: he’s already

[00:24:28] Taylor Desseyn: checked out.

[00:24:30] Robbie Wagner: Ah,

[00:24:31] Taylor Desseyn: so

[00:24:32] Taylor Desseyn: that’s May, but

[00:24:34] Taylor Desseyn: he

[00:24:34] Taylor Desseyn: has

[00:24:34] Taylor Desseyn: said

[00:24:35] Taylor Desseyn: countless

[00:24:35] Taylor Desseyn: times

[00:24:36] Taylor Desseyn: he wants to stay in Columbia. We’re literally talking about, yes. That

[00:24:39] Taylor Desseyn: was good. You pulled it

[00:24:40] Taylor Desseyn: back

[00:24:41] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:24:41] Jason Torres: No, I

[00:24:41] Jason Torres: mean, yeah.

[00:24:42] Jason Torres: This

[00:24:42] Jason Torres: is great.

[00:24:43] Taylor Desseyn: You’re

[00:24:43] Robbie Wagner: almost like,

[00:24:43] Taylor Desseyn: you’re

[00:24:43] Taylor Desseyn: almost

[00:24:43] Taylor Desseyn: like a

[00:24:44] Taylor Desseyn: podcast

[00:24:44] Taylor Desseyn: host or

[00:24:44] Taylor Desseyn: something.

[00:24:45] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. do

[00:24:45] Robbie Wagner: you

[00:24:45] Robbie Wagner: wanna

[00:24:46] Taylor Desseyn: plug

[00:24:46] Jason Torres: tech

[00:24:46] Jason Torres: from you?

[00:24:47] Jason Torres: Nope.

[00:24:48] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:24:48] Taylor Desseyn: All right. Well, that’s cool. all

[00:24:49] Taylor Desseyn: strive

[00:24:51] Taylor Desseyn: You

[00:24:51] Taylor Desseyn: get

[00:24:51] Taylor Desseyn: fired,

[00:24:52] Taylor Desseyn: they

[00:24:52] Taylor Desseyn: pay

[00:24:52] Taylor Desseyn: you

[00:24:53] Taylor Desseyn: the buyout, the buyout situation

[00:24:55] Taylor Desseyn: in college football.

[00:24:56] Taylor Desseyn: Do you see

[00:24:57] Taylor Desseyn: James Franklin as a

[00:24:58] Taylor Desseyn: $56

[00:24:58] Taylor Desseyn: million

[00:24:59] Taylor Desseyn: buyout? [00:25:00]

[00:25:00] Robbie Wagner: I did not.

[00:25:00] Robbie Wagner: Did

[00:25:01] Taylor Desseyn: Fire him? Yeah,

[00:25:01] Taylor Desseyn: they

[00:25:01] Taylor Desseyn: he’s gone. Yeah. they

[00:25:03] Taylor Desseyn: fired him from

[00:25:03] Taylor Desseyn: Penn State

[00:25:03] Taylor Desseyn: after

[00:25:04] Taylor Desseyn: going

[00:25:04] Taylor Desseyn: 141 and like 30,

[00:25:07] Robbie Wagner: Dang,

[00:25:07] Jason Torres: Dang, can I use that?

[00:25:08] Jason Torres: Texted me. He goes,

[00:25:08] Jason Torres: can

[00:25:09] Jason Torres: you imagine

[00:25:09] Jason Torres: yourself? 41

[00:25:10] Jason Torres: 30

[00:25:11] Jason Torres: fire.

[00:25:11] Taylor Desseyn: their

[00:25:11] Taylor Desseyn: coach,

[00:25:13] Jason Torres: Can I interject

[00:25:13] Jason Torres: here? And

[00:25:14] Jason Torres: this might

[00:25:14] Jason Torres: be

[00:25:14] Jason Torres: a hot take of my own.

[00:25:16] Jason Torres: Um,

[00:25:16] Taylor Desseyn: that down.

[00:25:17] Jason Torres: mark that down. A athletes

[00:25:18] Jason Torres: in

[00:25:19] Jason Torres: general

[00:25:20] Jason Torres: make

[00:25:20] Jason Torres: way too much money,

[00:25:21] Jason Torres: I

[00:25:21] Jason Torres: think

[00:25:23] Jason Torres: at

[00:25:23] Jason Torres: sports.

[00:25:24] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:25:24] Jason Torres: sports

[00:25:25] Taylor Desseyn: it’s because where the money

[00:25:25] Taylor Desseyn: is,

[00:25:26] Jason Torres: money. Yeah.

[00:25:26] Robbie Wagner: yeah.

[00:25:27] Jason Torres: Like

[00:25:27] Jason Torres: if

[00:25:28] Jason Torres: Right.

[00:25:28] Jason Torres: People doing

[00:25:28] Jason Torres: the

[00:25:29] Jason Torres: commercials, but

[00:25:29] Jason Torres: still are paying

[00:25:30] Jason Torres: enough,

[00:25:31] Taylor Desseyn: some people

[00:25:31] Taylor Desseyn: think

[00:25:31] Taylor Desseyn: software

[00:25:32] Taylor Desseyn: engineers make too much money.

[00:25:33] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:25:34] Taylor Desseyn: but

[00:25:34] Taylor Desseyn: we’re

[00:25:34] Jason Torres: not talking.

[00:25:34] Jason Torres: millions like a signing bonus. Yeah.

[00:25:39] Jason Torres: Yeah. I

[00:25:40] Jason Torres: mean,

[00:25:40] Jason Torres: I,

[00:25:41] Jason Torres: I’m

[00:25:41] Jason Torres: gonna look

[00:25:41] Jason Torres: it up.

[00:25:41] Jason Torres: You guys talk

[00:25:42] Jason Torres: amongst yourselves. I’m

[00:25:43] Jason Torres: gonna

[00:25:43] Jason Torres: see

[00:25:43] Jason Torres: what the

[00:25:44] Jason Torres: highest

[00:25:44] Jason Torres: paid

[00:25:44] Jason Torres: football

[00:25:45] Jason Torres: player is making.

[00:25:46] Robbie Wagner: player is making. Well, I heard our college, quarterback,

[00:25:50] Robbie Wagner: who is not that good

[00:25:51] Robbie Wagner: and at college is, uh, is, I don’t know his

[00:25:54] Robbie Wagner: first

[00:25:54] Taylor Desseyn: go to? Virginia Tech.

[00:25:55] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah. Jer Drones is good.

[00:25:56] Robbie Wagner: He’s okay.

[00:25:57] Robbie Wagner: But he’s making 1.9 million

[00:25:59] Robbie Wagner: and

[00:25:59] Robbie Wagner: he’s [00:26:00] a college athlete. Think about if you’re the

[00:26:02] Robbie Wagner: other guy on the

[00:26:03] Robbie Wagner: team.

[00:26:03] Taylor Desseyn: think

[00:26:03] Taylor Desseyn: is 1.9. I think Le Nors is like 1.2.

[00:26:05] Taylor Desseyn: Imagine

[00:26:06] Robbie Wagner: Like imagine you’re

[00:26:07] Robbie Wagner: like,

[00:26:08] Robbie Wagner: I don’t know, a

[00:26:08] Robbie Wagner: generic

[00:26:09] Robbie Wagner: linebacker.

[00:26:10] Taylor Desseyn: what 1.9

[00:26:11] Taylor Desseyn: carries

[00:26:11] Taylor Desseyn: in

[00:26:12] Robbie Wagner: Oh yeah.

[00:26:13] Robbie Wagner: yeah.

[00:26:14] Jason Torres: Patrick Mahomes

[00:26:15] Jason Torres: signed

[00:26:16] Jason Torres: a

[00:26:16] Jason Torres: contract extension

[00:26:17] Jason Torres: with the,

[00:26:18] Jason Torres: $450 million over 10

[00:26:22] Robbie Wagner: Dang.

[00:26:22] Taylor Desseyn: 40 a year.

[00:26:23] Jason Torres: What?

[00:26:25] Taylor Desseyn: Well,

[00:26:25] Taylor Desseyn: yeah, People watch

[00:26:26] Taylor Desseyn: that.

[00:26:26] Taylor Desseyn: Not your

[00:26:27] Taylor Desseyn: mustache. okay,

[00:26:29] Taylor Desseyn: but

[00:26:29] Taylor Desseyn: this

[00:26:29] Taylor Desseyn: isn’t

[00:26:30] Jason Torres: about

[00:26:30] Jason Torres: me.

[00:26:30] Jason Torres: I’m

[00:26:31] Jason Torres: just

[00:26:31] Jason Torres: saying

[00:26:31] Jason Torres: in

[00:26:32] Taylor Desseyn: like,

[00:26:32] Taylor Desseyn: what do you

[00:26:32] Taylor Desseyn: want?

[00:26:32] Taylor Desseyn: Carl,

[00:26:32] Jason Torres: pro athletes

[00:26:34] Taylor Desseyn: think she

[00:26:34] Taylor Desseyn: get paid the

[00:26:34] Taylor Desseyn: most? Who do you think she get paid the most?

[00:26:36] Jason Torres: i

[00:26:36] Jason Torres: have

[00:26:36] Jason Torres: no

[00:26:36] Jason Torres: problem with

[00:26:37] Jason Torres: them

[00:26:38] Robbie Wagner: Oh, I, I don’t think

[00:26:39] Jason Torres: amount of money. I think,

[00:26:41] Robbie Wagner: I

[00:26:41] Robbie Wagner: don’t know. You, you guys might feel differently, but I think teachers should

[00:26:44] Robbie Wagner: make the

[00:26:44] Robbie Wagner: most,

[00:26:44] Robbie Wagner: and

[00:26:45] Robbie Wagner: first responders, shit like that,

[00:26:47] Taylor Desseyn: this

[00:26:47] Taylor Desseyn: could get

[00:26:47] Taylor Desseyn: extremely

[00:26:48] Taylor Desseyn: outta

[00:26:48] Taylor Desseyn: control,

[00:26:49] Taylor Desseyn: but

[00:26:49] Taylor Desseyn: the way

[00:26:50] Taylor Desseyn: the government is set up,

[00:26:51] Taylor Desseyn: it

[00:26:52] Taylor Desseyn: does

[00:26:52] Taylor Desseyn: not

[00:26:52] Taylor Desseyn: incentivize productivity.

[00:26:55] Taylor Desseyn: And

[00:26:55] Taylor Desseyn: I think

[00:26:56] Taylor Desseyn: government,

[00:26:56] Taylor Desseyn: high

[00:26:57] Taylor Desseyn: elected

[00:26:57] Taylor Desseyn: officials

[00:26:58] Taylor Desseyn: should

[00:26:58] Taylor Desseyn: get

[00:26:58] Taylor Desseyn: paid like

[00:26:58] Taylor Desseyn: CEOs. [00:27:00]

[00:27:00] Jason Torres: No, no.

[00:27:01] Jason Torres: I disagree. The results.

[00:27:03] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:27:03] Jason Torres: I

[00:27:03] Jason Torres: dis, I disagree. I don’t think that

[00:27:05] Jason Torres: a governor

[00:27:06] Jason Torres: needs

[00:27:06] Jason Torres: to

[00:27:06] Jason Torres: make half a million dollars

[00:27:08] Jason Torres: and live

[00:27:08] Jason Torres: in a house

[00:27:09] Jason Torres: that

[00:27:09] Jason Torres: is

[00:27:09] Jason Torres: paid for by

[00:27:10] Jason Torres: me.

[00:27:12] Taylor Desseyn: Well,

[00:27:13] Taylor Desseyn: it

[00:27:13] Taylor Desseyn: would

[00:27:13] Jason Torres: be, again,

[00:27:15] Taylor Desseyn: I’m not

[00:27:15] Taylor Desseyn: saying.

[00:27:16] Jason Torres: or

[00:27:16] Jason Torres: how

[00:27:16] Jason Torres: about

[00:27:17] Jason Torres: a

[00:27:17] Jason Torres: superintendent

[00:27:18] Jason Torres: of

[00:27:18] Taylor Desseyn: already do.

[00:27:18] Taylor Desseyn: What are

[00:27:18] Taylor Desseyn: you talking

[00:27:19] Taylor Desseyn: about?

[00:27:19] Taylor Desseyn: That’s

[00:27:20] Taylor Desseyn: what, I’m

[00:27:21] Taylor Desseyn: saying. That’s what I’m saying. Tie them to results.

[00:27:23] Taylor Desseyn: Oh, yeah,

[00:27:23] Taylor Desseyn: yeah,

[00:27:23] Taylor Desseyn: yeah.

[00:27:23] Taylor Desseyn: That’s what

[00:27:24] Taylor Desseyn: I’m

[00:27:24] Taylor Desseyn: saying. No, be

[00:27:24] Taylor Desseyn: held

[00:27:25] Taylor Desseyn: accountable

[00:27:26] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:27:26] Taylor Desseyn: a, to

[00:27:26] Jason Torres: specific

[00:27:27] Jason Torres: results.

[00:27:27] Jason Torres: Like

[00:27:27] Jason Torres: a CEO.

[00:27:28] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:27:29] Jason Torres: like,

[00:27:29] Taylor Desseyn: like,

[00:27:29] Taylor Desseyn: if

[00:27:30] Taylor Desseyn: you’re

[00:27:30] Taylor Desseyn: the

[00:27:30] Taylor Desseyn: president

[00:27:30] Taylor Desseyn: now again,

[00:27:31] Taylor Desseyn: this,

[00:27:32] Taylor Desseyn: we

[00:27:32] Taylor Desseyn: are.

[00:27:33] Taylor Desseyn: going

[00:27:33] Taylor Desseyn: down a very scary Yeah. That’s,

[00:27:36] Taylor Desseyn: all

[00:27:36] Taylor Desseyn: time Yeah. Yeah.

[00:27:37] Jason Torres: it was great seeing you

[00:27:38] Taylor Desseyn: but

[00:27:38] Taylor Desseyn: like, you know,

[00:27:39] Taylor Desseyn: set objectives,

[00:27:40] Taylor Desseyn: right. Anyways.

[00:27:40] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah. Listen,

[00:27:41] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:27:41] Taylor Desseyn: am not

[00:27:42] Taylor Desseyn: a

[00:27:42] Taylor Desseyn: political guy,

[00:27:42] Taylor Desseyn: but I do think

[00:27:44] Taylor Desseyn: there should be. government officials should be paid and compensated like corporate CEOs

[00:27:49] Taylor Desseyn: because

[00:27:50] Taylor Desseyn: if the government

[00:27:51] Taylor Desseyn: operated

[00:27:51] Taylor Desseyn: like

[00:27:52] Taylor Desseyn: a Nvidia or an Apple,

[00:27:55] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:27:55] Robbie Wagner: I’m

[00:27:55] Robbie Wagner: sure

[00:27:55] Robbie Wagner: the results

[00:27:56] Robbie Wagner: better

[00:27:57] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, that’s,

[00:27:58] Robbie Wagner: And, that’s

[00:27:59] Robbie Wagner: that’s part of. [00:28:00]

[00:28:00] Jason Torres: Agnos.

[00:28:00] Taylor Desseyn: for the record.

[00:28:01] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. If there’s no incentive, incentive,

[00:28:02] Robbie Wagner: to do well,

[00:28:03] Robbie Wagner: then why

[00:28:04] Robbie Wagner: would

[00:28:04] Robbie Wagner: you try? There’s

[00:28:04] Jason Torres: There’s

[00:28:05] Taylor Desseyn: no

[00:28:05] Taylor Desseyn: incentive.

[00:28:05] Robbie Wagner: incentive.

[00:28:05] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:28:06] Robbie Wagner: Like Elon’s,

[00:28:07] Robbie Wagner: $1 trillion compensation thing is like

[00:28:09] Robbie Wagner: tied

[00:28:10] Robbie Wagner: to

[00:28:10] Robbie Wagner: specific

[00:28:10] Robbie Wagner: deliverables. Exactly.

[00:28:11] Robbie Wagner: So new

[00:28:12] Robbie Wagner: are tied

[00:28:12] Robbie Wagner: to

[00:28:12] Taylor Desseyn: specific

[00:28:13] Taylor Desseyn: deliverables at Torque. Why

[00:28:14] Taylor Desseyn: can’t

[00:28:15] Jason Torres: government

[00:28:15] Taylor Desseyn: be tied to specific deliverables?

[00:28:17] Jason Torres: should deliver?

[00:28:18] Taylor Desseyn: chat like right now? I’d be

[00:28:19] Robbie Wagner: Oh, I have not, I don’t know if there’s any

[00:28:21] Jason Torres: Um,

[00:28:21] Robbie Wagner: Let’s see.

[00:28:23] Jason Torres: No, ’

[00:28:23] Jason Torres: cause I, like

[00:28:23] Jason Torres: I

[00:28:24] Jason Torres: found

[00:28:24] Jason Torres: out

[00:28:24] Jason Torres: a couple

[00:28:24] Jason Torres: years

[00:28:24] Jason Torres: ago

[00:28:25] Jason Torres: that

[00:28:25] Jason Torres: the

[00:28:25] Jason Torres: superintendent

[00:28:26] Jason Torres: of the Webster Central School District made. $370,000 a year outta my taxpayer dollars. Like I,

[00:28:35] Jason Torres: I,

[00:28:35] Jason Torres: think

[00:28:36] Jason Torres: that’s unreasonable when

[00:28:37] Jason Torres: you

[00:28:37] Jason Torres: have teachers who are actually doing

[00:28:39] Jason Torres: the work

[00:28:40] Robbie Wagner: yeah,

[00:28:40] Jason Torres: making

[00:28:41] Jason Torres: 40.

[00:28:42] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:28:42] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:28:42] Taylor Desseyn: do have to

[00:28:42] Taylor Desseyn: say, I

[00:28:42] Taylor Desseyn: think

[00:28:43] Taylor Desseyn: teachers, I think

[00:28:43] Taylor Desseyn: now

[00:28:44] Taylor Desseyn: having kids,

[00:28:45] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:28:45] Taylor Desseyn: mean, the

[00:28:45] Taylor Desseyn: fact that

[00:28:45] Taylor Desseyn: teachers

[00:28:46] Taylor Desseyn: have

[00:28:46] Taylor Desseyn: to pay

[00:28:47] Taylor Desseyn: for

[00:28:47] Taylor Desseyn: shit

[00:28:47] Taylor Desseyn: outta

[00:28:47] Taylor Desseyn: their

[00:28:47] Taylor Desseyn: own

[00:28:48] Taylor Desseyn: pocket

[00:28:48] Taylor Desseyn: is wild. To

[00:28:49] Taylor Desseyn: me, that

[00:28:49] Taylor Desseyn: is

[00:28:50] Taylor Desseyn: unfair.

[00:28:50] Robbie Wagner: And

[00:28:50] Robbie Wagner: you gotta

[00:28:51] Robbie Wagner: watch

[00:28:51] Robbie Wagner: like 20 to

[00:28:52] Robbie Wagner: 30 kids

[00:28:53] Robbie Wagner: all

[00:28:53] Robbie Wagner: day.

[00:28:54] Robbie Wagner: I

[00:28:54] Robbie Wagner: can

[00:28:55] Robbie Wagner: even

[00:28:55] Taylor Desseyn: I mean,

[00:28:56] Taylor Desseyn: like

[00:28:56] Taylor Desseyn: watching

[00:28:57] Taylor Desseyn: two,

[00:28:57] Taylor Desseyn: two

[00:28:57] Taylor Desseyn: of

[00:28:57] Taylor Desseyn: my

[00:28:58] Taylor Desseyn: own

[00:28:58] Taylor Desseyn: almost

[00:28:58] Taylor Desseyn: three is

[00:28:59] Taylor Desseyn: hard

[00:28:59] Taylor Desseyn: [00:29:00] enough.

[00:29:00] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:29:01] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:29:01] Robbie Wagner: But like,

[00:29:01] Robbie Wagner: if

[00:29:02] Robbie Wagner: they just instead

[00:29:03] Robbie Wagner: did

[00:29:03] Robbie Wagner: daycare

[00:29:04] Robbie Wagner: and

[00:29:04] Robbie Wagner: watch

[00:29:04] Robbie Wagner: 20

[00:29:05] Robbie Wagner: kids,

[00:29:05] Robbie Wagner: they would

[00:29:05] Robbie Wagner: make

[00:29:05] Robbie Wagner: so

[00:29:06] Robbie Wagner: much money.

[00:29:06] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:29:07] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:29:07] Robbie Wagner: I mean,

[00:29:07] Taylor Desseyn: brother

[00:29:08] Taylor Desseyn: and

[00:29:08] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:29:08] Taylor Desseyn: were texting,

[00:29:09] Taylor Desseyn: He

[00:29:09] Taylor Desseyn: texted

[00:29:09] Taylor Desseyn: me the other day.

[00:29:09] Taylor Desseyn: He goes,

[00:29:10] Taylor Desseyn: dude, I

[00:29:10] Taylor Desseyn: got

[00:29:10] Taylor Desseyn: a side. business for you. I, I was

[00:29:11] Taylor Desseyn: like, what? he was like, we just open up a

[00:29:13] Taylor Desseyn: daycare in Hendersonville.

[00:29:14] Jason Torres: daycare. Yeah,

[00:29:15] Jason Torres: I know. There

[00:29:16] Taylor Desseyn: Seriously,

[00:29:17] Jason Torres: it’s

[00:29:17] Jason Torres: so

[00:29:17] Jason Torres: expensive. I

[00:29:18] Taylor Desseyn: Oh, I know.

[00:29:19] Jason Torres: you with my kids, Taylor. I’m not gonna

[00:29:20] Taylor Desseyn: Uh, I appreciate

[00:29:21] Taylor Desseyn: that.

[00:29:22] Taylor Desseyn: I have good kids. I have good kids. I I, I had to

[00:29:24] Taylor Desseyn: tell my Daughter off of Ledge last

[00:29:26] Taylor Desseyn: night.

[00:29:26] Taylor Desseyn: She was having a

[00:29:27] Taylor Desseyn: meltdown, so that was fun.

[00:29:29] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:29:29] Taylor Desseyn: literally

[00:29:30] Taylor Desseyn: left the

[00:29:30] Taylor Desseyn: house

[00:29:31] Taylor Desseyn: and

[00:29:31] Taylor Desseyn: literally

[00:29:31] Taylor Desseyn: my daughters had a

[00:29:32] Taylor Desseyn: meltdown plus 24 hours. So that’s cool.

[00:29:35] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:29:35] Taylor Desseyn: love you

[00:29:35] Taylor Desseyn: Jackie. Love you Jackie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jack J

[00:29:38] Taylor Desseyn: Jackie’s

[00:29:38] Taylor Desseyn: a

[00:29:38] Taylor Desseyn: real,

[00:29:38] Taylor Desseyn: I like, it’s

[00:29:39] Taylor Desseyn: not

[00:29:39] Taylor Desseyn: about me.

[00:29:40] Taylor Desseyn: Jackie’s

[00:29:40] Taylor Desseyn: the one holding it down, so,

[00:29:42] Robbie Wagner: yeah. Wife.

[00:29:42] Jason Torres: Her wives are pretty

[00:29:43] Jason Torres: awesome. Oh,

[00:29:44] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:29:45] Taylor Desseyn: we’re

[00:29:45] Taylor Desseyn: out

[00:29:45] Jason Torres: we’re out

[00:29:46] Jason Torres: here

[00:29:46] Jason Torres: like

[00:29:46] Jason Torres: drinking

[00:29:46] Jason Torres: from Secco. Yeah.

[00:29:47] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:29:47] Taylor Desseyn: the afternoon and my wife’s,

[00:29:51] Jason Torres: Got

[00:29:51] Jason Torres: it. Yeah,

[00:29:52] Jason Torres: I

[00:29:52] Jason Torres: do

[00:29:52] Jason Torres: not

[00:29:52] Jason Torres: take it. Sorry.

[00:29:53] Jason Torres: Sorry.

[00:29:53] Jason Torres: babe.

[00:29:54] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah,

[00:29:54] Taylor Desseyn: yeah.

[00:29:54] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:29:55] Taylor Desseyn: literally do not

[00:29:56] Taylor Desseyn: take it

[00:29:56] Taylor Desseyn: for granted. At all?

[00:29:58] Taylor Desseyn: Uh,

[00:29:59] Taylor Desseyn: [00:30:00] yeah,

[00:30:00] Taylor Desseyn: Fortunately. yeah,

[00:30:01] Taylor Desseyn: fortunately

[00:30:02] Taylor Desseyn: my

[00:30:02] Taylor Desseyn: wife

[00:30:02] Taylor Desseyn: isn’t on X, so she doesn’t see all everything we do. If she’s watching right now, I, I gave it away, but, uh,

[00:30:07] Taylor Desseyn: she just

[00:30:07] Taylor Desseyn: does Instagram, so

[00:30:09] Jason Torres: we love

[00:30:10] Jason Torres: and respect

[00:30:10] Taylor Desseyn: love. Yes, a hundred percent. Yeah.

[00:30:12] Taylor Desseyn: And

[00:30:12] Taylor Desseyn: then, and

[00:30:12] Taylor Desseyn: then,

[00:30:13] Taylor Desseyn: uh,

[00:30:13] Taylor Desseyn: We,

[00:30:13] Taylor Desseyn: We,

[00:30:13] Taylor Desseyn: got

[00:30:13] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:30:13] Taylor Desseyn: have dinner

[00:30:14] Taylor Desseyn: with

[00:30:14] Taylor Desseyn: our

[00:30:14] Taylor Desseyn: wives too.

[00:30:14] Taylor Desseyn: like.

[00:30:15] Taylor Desseyn: a few

[00:30:15] Jason Torres: it’s fun.

[00:30:16] Jason Torres: Yeah. I came to Nashville,

[00:30:17] Taylor Desseyn: and the wife were down in Nashville.

[00:30:18] Jason Torres: maybe to Nashville,

[00:30:19] Taylor Desseyn: right? Uh,

[00:30:20] Jason Torres: Uh,

[00:30:20] Taylor Desseyn: maybe

[00:30:21] Taylor Desseyn: I’d love that.

[00:30:22] Jason Torres: I would

[00:30:22] Jason Torres: also

[00:30:22] Jason Torres: love that. We’ll see.

[00:30:23] Jason Torres: We’ll see.

[00:30:24] Jason Torres: Nashville’s nice.

[00:30:25] Jason Torres: It’s

[00:30:25] Jason Torres: gotten

[00:30:25] Jason Torres: expensive

[00:30:25] Jason Torres: though.

[00:30:27] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:30:28] Jason Torres: Do you hear clicking?

[00:30:29] Jason Torres: Oh,

[00:30:29] Jason Torres: it’s, you thought I was having a stroke?

[00:30:34] Taylor Desseyn: Uh,

[00:30:34] Taylor Desseyn: anyways. Alright,

[00:30:35] Taylor Desseyn: what

[00:30:35] Taylor Desseyn: else?

[00:30:36] Taylor Desseyn: Is that it?

[00:30:36] Taylor Desseyn: Are we good? The,

[00:30:37] Jason Torres: host. Stop.

[00:30:38] Robbie Wagner: yeah, I don’t know.

[00:30:38] Jason Torres: the host. Stop.

[00:30:40] Robbie Wagner: Um.

[00:30:40] Jason Torres: Let him do his

[00:30:41] Jason Torres: thing.

[00:30:41] Robbie Wagner: these are just random things. I was

[00:30:43] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah. You got

[00:30:44] Taylor Desseyn: random

[00:30:44] Taylor Desseyn: questions.

[00:30:45] Robbie Wagner: that on a

[00:30:45] Robbie Wagner: DHH

[00:30:46] Robbie Wagner: video

[00:30:46] Robbie Wagner: that

[00:30:47] Robbie Wagner: he

[00:30:47] Robbie Wagner: spits facts.

[00:30:49] Robbie Wagner: Uh, you a big

[00:30:49] Robbie Wagner: DHH

[00:30:50] Robbie Wagner: fan.

[00:30:50] Jason Torres: is

[00:30:51] Jason Torres: I dunno who

[00:30:51] Jason Torres: that is

[00:30:52] Jason Torres: Uh,

[00:30:52] Jason Torres: keep

[00:30:53] Jason Torres: hearing

[00:30:53] Taylor Desseyn: dhhs.

[00:30:54] Robbie Wagner: what

[00:30:54] Jason Torres: He’s also apparently like a Formula One.

[00:30:57] Robbie Wagner: stand for? I couldn’t

[00:30:57] Robbie Wagner: tell you

[00:30:58] Jason Torres: Dave,

[00:30:59] Jason Torres: [00:31:00] David something.

[00:31:00] Jason Torres: He’s a dentist.

[00:31:01] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:31:02] Taylor Desseyn: okay. Cool. I used to recruit a lot of Ruby.

[00:31:04] Jason Torres: what

[00:31:05] Jason Torres: did he say?

[00:31:05] Jason Torres: It was something about content

[00:31:07] Jason Torres: like he had. Cool. No, it was great

[00:31:11] Jason Torres: research.

[00:31:12] Jason Torres: Hey,

[00:31:13] Jason Torres: I

[00:31:13] Jason Torres: like

[00:31:13] Jason Torres: No, no, no, no, I remember what it was. He was talking about the term content creator and like no one is a content creator and it’s a stupid title because content isn’t ingested

[00:31:24] Jason Torres: in the, like

[00:31:25] Jason Torres: he

[00:31:25] Jason Torres: had a

[00:31:25] Jason Torres: really

[00:31:25] Jason Torres: good

[00:31:25] Jason Torres: explanation

[00:31:26] Jason Torres: for it. And I agree

[00:31:26] Jason Torres: with

[00:31:27] Jason Torres: him

[00:31:27] Jason Torres: because I have such an aversion to that like term and like influencer and stuff like that. It’s, it’s very cringe. That’s why I have.

[00:31:35] Jason Torres: I, I’ll

[00:31:35] Jason Torres: be honest, I

[00:31:36] Jason Torres: struggle sometimes with how we have to like build community because of certain things with the content that we have to create.

[00:31:44] Jason Torres: ‘cause I think that there’s a very gray area where it becomes super disingenuous

[00:31:49] Jason Torres: and inauthentic. And

[00:31:51] Jason Torres: that

[00:31:51] Jason Torres: for

[00:31:51] Jason Torres: me,

[00:31:52] Jason Torres: and

[00:31:53] Jason Torres: I know

[00:31:53] Jason Torres: it is for you

[00:31:53] Jason Torres: too.

[00:31:53] Jason Torres: I’m not

[00:31:54] Jason Torres: like

[00:31:54] Jason Torres: saying

[00:31:55] Jason Torres: that he’s different.

[00:31:56] Taylor Desseyn: I’m built different.

[00:31:58] Jason Torres: It’s

[00:31:59] Jason Torres: hard for

[00:31:59] Jason Torres: me [00:32:00] because, and this goes back to working in film, like I worked in an industry where people got paid to not be themselves.

[00:32:06] Jason Torres: Yeah,

[00:32:06] Jason Torres: So then now for me, it’s like I want to

[00:32:09] Jason Torres: come at this

[00:32:10] Jason Torres: like as organic and like I just want you to like me for who I am actually, and I want to help you for who you are actually And it’s like, if you don’t like what we’re doing,

[00:32:20] Jason Torres: that’s fine.

[00:32:20] Jason Torres: Move

[00:32:20] Jason Torres: on.

[00:32:21] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:32:21] Jason Torres: Like, ‘cause community

[00:32:23] Jason Torres: can

[00:32:23] Jason Torres: be

[00:32:23] Jason Torres: everywhere and everything.

[00:32:25] Jason Torres: And.

[00:32:25] Jason Torres: it doesn’t

[00:32:25] Jason Torres: have

[00:32:26] Jason Torres: to

[00:32:26] Jason Torres: be like

[00:32:26] Jason Torres: built

[00:32:27] Jason Torres: inauthentically. So for that

[00:32:29] Jason Torres: like

[00:32:29] Jason Torres: content

[00:32:30] Jason Torres: creation point that he

[00:32:30] Jason Torres: was making,

[00:32:31] Jason Torres: for

[00:32:31] Jason Torres: me it

[00:32:31] Jason Torres: was

[00:32:31] Jason Torres: like,

[00:32:32] Jason Torres: it

[00:32:32] Jason Torres: resonated

[00:32:33] Jason Torres: because

[00:32:33] Jason Torres: I

[00:32:33] Jason Torres: agree

[00:32:34] Jason Torres: with his

[00:32:34] Jason Torres: thought, like

[00:32:35] Jason Torres: everybody

[00:32:35] Jason Torres: creates

[00:32:36] Jason Torres: content,

[00:32:37] Jason Torres: but

[00:32:37] Jason Torres: it’s not,

[00:32:37] Jason Torres: it’s

[00:32:38] Jason Torres: organic, it

[00:32:38] Jason Torres: doesn’t

[00:32:39] Jason Torres: have to

[00:32:39] Jason Torres: be

[00:32:39] Jason Torres: branded as

[00:32:40] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:32:40] Taylor Desseyn: I, I mean, listen, I mean, this is

[00:32:43] Taylor Desseyn: the first

[00:32:43] Taylor Desseyn: time

[00:32:44] Taylor Desseyn: I’ve managed,

[00:32:45] Taylor Desseyn: well, I’m

[00:32:46] Taylor Desseyn: gonna be honest with you, this is the first time I’ve truly managed and I’m not even truly managing because like we, we have a very small team,

[00:32:52] Taylor Desseyn: I can

[00:32:53] Taylor Desseyn: see

[00:32:53] Taylor Desseyn: why Dere teams get fired easily.

[00:32:56] Taylor Desseyn: but

[00:32:56] Taylor Desseyn: I’ll

[00:32:56] Taylor Desseyn: also tell

[00:32:57] Taylor Desseyn: you this,

[00:32:57] Taylor Desseyn: and Jason and

[00:32:58] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:32:58] Taylor Desseyn: have had these, a lot of [00:33:00] conversations, off the record and, backstage, whatever you wanna call it, I give a lot of props to torque in the leadership with Mike Morris, Dave Messinger, and Pat Griffin.

[00:33:11] Taylor Desseyn: They

[00:33:11] Taylor Desseyn: just want us to cook. And for us, like that’s huge.

[00:33:15] Taylor Desseyn: And, But

[00:33:16] Taylor Desseyn: I agree with Jason. I think

[00:33:18] Taylor Desseyn: I think what

[00:33:18] Taylor Desseyn: we’ve

[00:33:18] Taylor Desseyn: been able to

[00:33:19] Taylor Desseyn: build

[00:33:19] Taylor Desseyn: and showed us

[00:33:19] Taylor Desseyn: such

[00:33:20] Taylor Desseyn: a short

[00:33:21] Taylor Desseyn: time

[00:33:22] Taylor Desseyn: is

[00:33:23] Taylor Desseyn: because

[00:33:23] Taylor Desseyn: of

[00:33:23] Taylor Desseyn: the authenticity

[00:33:24] Taylor Desseyn: that

[00:33:25] Taylor Desseyn: we’ve

[00:33:25] Taylor Desseyn: been able

[00:33:25] Taylor Desseyn: to keep throughout. Like, we’ve

[00:33:27] Taylor Desseyn: only

[00:33:27] Taylor Desseyn: had a

[00:33:27] Taylor Desseyn: few

[00:33:28] Taylor Desseyn: side

[00:33:28] Taylor Desseyn: quests that

[00:33:29] Taylor Desseyn: have

[00:33:29] Taylor Desseyn: been

[00:33:29] Taylor Desseyn: inauthentic,

[00:33:31] Jason Torres: Guidewire. Yeah.

[00:33:32] Jason Torres: Guidewire.

[00:33:33] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah, yeah. We

[00:33:34] Robbie Wagner: I

[00:33:34] Jason Torres: no, I

[00:33:34] Jason Torres: full

[00:33:35] Jason Torres: transparency. I mean, we,

[00:33:36] Jason Torres: we have been asked

[00:33:37] Jason Torres: by like

[00:33:37] Jason Torres: certain departments to

[00:33:38] Jason Torres: like,

[00:33:38] Jason Torres: produce

[00:33:39] Jason Torres: certain

[00:33:40] Taylor Desseyn: Yep.

[00:33:40] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:33:40] Jason Torres: And

[00:33:41] Jason Torres: you gotta

[00:33:41] Jason Torres: do

[00:33:41] Jason Torres: it

[00:33:42] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah. it’s

[00:33:43] Taylor Desseyn: part

[00:33:43] Taylor Desseyn: of

[00:33:43] Taylor Desseyn: the

[00:33:43] Taylor Desseyn: job.

[00:33:43] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:33:44] Taylor Desseyn: it

[00:33:44] Taylor Desseyn: doesn’t mean

[00:33:44] Taylor Desseyn: that which by the way,

[00:33:45] Taylor Desseyn: we

[00:33:45] Taylor Desseyn: are

[00:33:45] Taylor Desseyn: hiring a Java dev rail person.

[00:33:47] Taylor Desseyn: I’m gonna say

[00:33:48] Taylor Desseyn: it publicly.

[00:33:49] Taylor Desseyn: by the way, my mom texted me,

[00:33:51] Taylor Desseyn: said she watched it. Is

[00:33:52] Taylor Desseyn: she?

[00:33:52] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:33:53] Taylor Desseyn: Uh,

[00:33:53] Taylor Desseyn: and, and, uh, so we are hiring a Java dev rail person to come help educate, help our community.

[00:33:59] Taylor Desseyn: but

[00:33:59] Taylor Desseyn: it’s

[00:33:59] Taylor Desseyn: [00:34:00] like what Jason

[00:34:00] Taylor Desseyn: said, like, we’ve

[00:34:01] Taylor Desseyn: been

[00:34:01] Taylor Desseyn: really authentic.

[00:34:02] Taylor Desseyn: And

[00:34:02] Taylor Desseyn: to be

[00:34:02] Taylor Desseyn: honest

[00:34:02] Taylor Desseyn: with

[00:34:03] Taylor Desseyn: you,

[00:34:03] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:34:03] Taylor Desseyn: would

[00:34:03] Taylor Desseyn: say

[00:34:03] Taylor Desseyn: what we’ve been able to build in a year is, is,

[00:34:06] Taylor Desseyn: pretty

[00:34:06] Taylor Desseyn: tremendous.

[00:34:07] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I think it’s, it’s like acquiring a company and just letting them continue to do what you acquired them for versus like

[00:34:13] Jason Torres: being oh, I own you now, so you change everything.

[00:34:16] Robbie Wagner: It’s like, why would you do that if you thought they were doing well enough to buy them

[00:34:20] Robbie Wagner: Let them do what they do.

[00:34:21] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:34:22] Taylor Desseyn: Yeah.

[00:34:22] Robbie Wagner: to make people fit into some box doesn’t ever work.

[00:34:25] Taylor Desseyn: No,

[00:34:26] Taylor Desseyn: it doesn’t. And, and, and I think, again, I think I know Mike Morris at the top, , our CEO is, doing the Lord’s work. And, we do have a new boss. His name’s Pat Griffin. He’s a double Harvard grad. Dude’s a g , Bain and McKenzie, former Bain and McKen. I mean, he is like,

[00:34:40] Taylor Desseyn: his

[00:34:40] Taylor Desseyn: mentality, I’m

[00:34:41] Taylor Desseyn: gonna say it here

[00:34:42] Taylor Desseyn: ,

[00:34:42] Taylor Desseyn: And Jason and I

[00:34:42] Taylor Desseyn: kind

[00:34:43] Taylor Desseyn: of

[00:34:43] Taylor Desseyn: like it to be honest with you.

[00:34:44] Taylor Desseyn: He

[00:34:44] Taylor Desseyn: goes,

[00:34:45] Taylor Desseyn: why

[00:34:45] Taylor Desseyn: the

[00:34:45] Taylor Desseyn: fuck would anybody want to be a part of us?

[00:34:47] Taylor Desseyn: He

[00:34:47] Taylor Desseyn: was

[00:34:48] Taylor Desseyn: like,

[00:34:48] Taylor Desseyn: we

[00:34:48] Taylor Desseyn: need

[00:34:48] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:34:48] Taylor Desseyn: give

[00:34:49] Taylor Desseyn: them

[00:34:49] Taylor Desseyn: enough

[00:34:50] Taylor Desseyn: proof

[00:34:51] Taylor Desseyn: and enough

[00:34:52] Taylor Desseyn: value

[00:34:53] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:34:53] Taylor Desseyn: where they

[00:34:53] Taylor Desseyn: want to come and be a part of us. And

[00:34:55] Taylor Desseyn: honestly,

[00:34:55] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:34:55] Taylor Desseyn: love

[00:34:55] Taylor Desseyn: that.

[00:34:55] Taylor Desseyn: And

[00:34:55] Taylor Desseyn: that’s

[00:34:56] Taylor Desseyn: what

[00:34:56] Taylor Desseyn: we’re

[00:34:56] Taylor Desseyn: trying

[00:34:56] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:34:56] Taylor Desseyn: chase.

[00:34:57] Taylor Desseyn: Always,

[00:34:58] Taylor Desseyn: always

[00:34:58] Jason Torres: provide everybody. [00:35:00] the

[00:35:00] Jason Torres: harder

[00:35:01] Jason Torres: task

[00:35:01] Jason Torres: for us, and we’ve had this conversation before,

[00:35:04] Jason Torres: we

[00:35:04] Jason Torres: don’t

[00:35:04] Jason Torres: have a product, like we’re

[00:35:05] Jason Torres: not a framework

[00:35:07] Jason Torres: or a

[00:35:07] Taylor Desseyn: we do. I mean, we

[00:35:09] Jason Torres: a tool. do.

[00:35:10] Jason Torres: but we will soon,

[00:35:12] Jason Torres: But the, but

[00:35:13] Jason Torres: the thing is can really jobs

[00:35:15] Jason Torres: it, it makes it,

[00:35:16] Jason Torres: it

[00:35:17] Jason Torres: almost

[00:35:17] Jason Torres: makes

[00:35:17] Jason Torres: our

[00:35:17] Jason Torres: jobs

[00:35:18] Jason Torres: harder

[00:35:18] Jason Torres: and more unique in the sense

[00:35:20] Jason Torres: that, like

[00:35:20] Jason Torres: how

[00:35:21] Jason Torres: do you get

[00:35:21] Jason Torres: people to get on board for a, thought or a theory or like,

[00:35:25] Taylor Desseyn: I mean,

[00:35:26] Taylor Desseyn: I mean

[00:35:26] Taylor Desseyn: we are selling

[00:35:27] Taylor Desseyn: vibes to the

[00:35:28] Taylor Desseyn: truest consent. we

[00:35:29] Taylor Desseyn: are releasing the platform, so the platform’s coming. It’s dropping at the end of the month. And basically our whole goal is we’re gonna have multiple different facets. Right?

[00:35:37] Taylor Desseyn: So Ken, our head of product, Ken Collins, he’s developing kind of this perfect fit jobs where if you sign on

[00:35:42] Taylor Desseyn: your

[00:35:42] Taylor Desseyn: job developer, you plug in your skills, you get

[00:35:45] Taylor Desseyn: pushed,

[00:35:45] Taylor Desseyn: tailored jobs that are a fit for you on our platform.

[00:35:48] Taylor Desseyn: Then we’re in

[00:35:49] Taylor Desseyn: charge of all the content and then there’s gonna be a lot. And then kind of the next evolution is like. Our AI’s gonna tell you, Hey, you’re not being matched with a lot of jobs because you’re missing

[00:35:59] Taylor Desseyn: this

[00:35:59] Taylor Desseyn: [00:36:00] piece

[00:36:00] Taylor Desseyn: in your

[00:36:00] Taylor Desseyn: career. You should help.

[00:36:01] Taylor Desseyn: And then

[00:36:02] Taylor Desseyn: ultimately,

[00:36:02] Taylor Desseyn: that comes back to us to help upskill and uplevel you.

[00:36:05] Taylor Desseyn: But

[00:36:06] Taylor Desseyn: that’s

[00:36:06] Taylor Desseyn: not dropped yet. I mean, right now it’s like sign up to our platform and you’re gonna get impossibly matched by a Ronstadt recruiter. But once this new

[00:36:16] Taylor Desseyn: product

[00:36:16] Taylor Desseyn: drops, we’ll

[00:36:17] Taylor Desseyn: have

[00:36:17] Taylor Desseyn: a

[00:36:17] Taylor Desseyn: lot

[00:36:17] Taylor Desseyn: there.

[00:36:18] Taylor Desseyn: But but

[00:36:18] Taylor Desseyn: again,

[00:36:19] Taylor Desseyn: we’ve

[00:36:19] Taylor Desseyn: been grateful

[00:36:19] Taylor Desseyn: for

[00:36:20] Taylor Desseyn: the.

[00:36:20] Taylor Desseyn: opportunity.

[00:36:21] Taylor Desseyn: Right.

[00:36:21] Taylor Desseyn: We’ve been

[00:36:21] Jason Torres: Great.

[00:36:22] Taylor Desseyn: opportunity. That’s why it’s

[00:36:23] Taylor Desseyn: super

[00:36:23] Taylor Desseyn: important

[00:36:23] Jason Torres: for us to do this type of stuff, like come to events, talk to

[00:36:26] Jason Torres: people.

[00:36:27] Taylor Desseyn: have to have

[00:36:27] Taylor Desseyn: social

[00:36:28] Taylor Desseyn: proof.

[00:36:28] Jason Torres: support the community.

[00:36:30] Taylor Desseyn: Adam.

[00:36:30] Jason Torres: ‘em. Got ‘em. But what?

[00:36:32] Jason Torres: was

[00:36:32] Jason Torres: it? No,

[00:36:33] Jason Torres: I

[00:36:33] Jason Torres: just

[00:36:33] Jason Torres: put it,

[00:36:34] Jason Torres: but

[00:36:34] Jason Torres: you

[00:36:34] Jason Torres: mentioned your

[00:36:35] Jason Torres: keynote

[00:36:35] Jason Torres: like 11

[00:36:36] Jason Torres: times,

[00:36:36] Jason Torres: so I just added it.

[00:36:38] Taylor Desseyn: Jesus. Everybody

[00:36:39] Taylor Desseyn: go

[00:36:40] Jason Torres: check

[00:36:40] Jason Torres: out

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[00:36:43] Jason Torres: If you want to get in on the

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[00:36:48] Jason Torres: Tego

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[00:36:49] Taylor Desseyn: Tego dot netlify app. Golly, have mercy.

[00:36:51] Jason Torres: No,

[00:36:51] Jason Torres: But again, like even that, like that’s us

[00:36:55] Jason Torres: building

[00:36:55] Jason Torres: this

[00:36:56] Jason Torres: network and this community

[00:36:57] Jason Torres: around this like

[00:36:58] Jason Torres: platform

[00:36:58] Jason Torres: that isn’t

[00:36:59] Jason Torres: there

[00:36:59] Jason Torres: yet.

[00:36:59] Jason Torres: [00:37:00] But again,

[00:37:00] Jason Torres: people are supporting

[00:37:01] Jason Torres: that because

[00:37:01] Jason Torres: we’re. You know,

[00:37:02] Taylor Desseyn: yeah, I mean, we’re

[00:37:03] Taylor Desseyn: doing it right. Yeah. I mean, again,

[00:37:05] Taylor Desseyn: this Java person, we want to hire

[00:37:06] Taylor Desseyn: like, I want this person,

[00:37:07] Taylor Desseyn: like they need to be

[00:37:08] Taylor Desseyn: out there.

[00:37:08] Taylor Desseyn: They need to

[00:37:09] Taylor Desseyn: be building

[00:37:09] Taylor Desseyn: Like,

[00:37:10] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:37:10] Taylor Desseyn: mean,

[00:37:11] Taylor Desseyn: I’ve

[00:37:11] Taylor Desseyn: said it from

[00:37:11] Taylor Desseyn: the GetGo. I think

[00:37:12] Taylor Desseyn: every company

[00:37:13] Taylor Desseyn: needs

[00:37:13] Taylor Desseyn: to

[00:37:13] Taylor Desseyn: view themselves as a media company,

[00:37:15] Taylor Desseyn: every

[00:37:15] Taylor Desseyn: company,

[00:37:16] Taylor Desseyn: right?

[00:37:16] Taylor Desseyn: I think sin

[00:37:18] Taylor Desseyn: that,

[00:37:18] Taylor Desseyn: no,

[00:37:18] Jason Torres: would’ve, That

[00:37:18] Jason Torres: would’ve, been it,

[00:37:19] Taylor Desseyn: that, was

[00:37:20] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:37:20] Taylor Desseyn: think,

[00:37:21] Taylor Desseyn: I think every

[00:37:21] Taylor Desseyn: company,

[00:37:22] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:37:22] Taylor Desseyn: mean literally

[00:37:22] Taylor Desseyn: like,

[00:37:23] Taylor Desseyn: every

[00:37:23] Taylor Desseyn: company

[00:37:23] Taylor Desseyn: should

[00:37:24] Taylor Desseyn: aspire

[00:37:24] Taylor Desseyn: to be like Barstool Sports.

[00:37:26] Taylor Desseyn: In

[00:37:26] Taylor Desseyn: a sense

[00:37:27] Taylor Desseyn: of

[00:37:27] Taylor Desseyn: you

[00:37:27] Taylor Desseyn: have

[00:37:27] Taylor Desseyn: multiple

[00:37:28] Taylor Desseyn: different personalities, multiple different podcasts.

[00:37:30] Taylor Desseyn: I mean,

[00:37:31] Taylor Desseyn: that’s

[00:37:32] Taylor Desseyn: yeah,

[00:37:33] Taylor Desseyn: that’s not, that’s not quite the point. But, You know, but I mean, century buying Syntax fm brilliant,

[00:37:39] Taylor Desseyn: right? Like, honestly, again, like. Who I

[00:37:41] Taylor Desseyn: hire. Like they’re

[00:37:43] Taylor Desseyn: gonna have to have a podcast like you have to produce media in today’s world to be known.

[00:37:47] Taylor Desseyn: And I think,

[00:37:48] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:37:48] Taylor Desseyn: think

[00:37:48] Taylor Desseyn: the timeline is

[00:37:49] Taylor Desseyn: shrinking

[00:37:50] Taylor Desseyn: right

[00:37:50] Taylor Desseyn: now with all the

[00:37:51] Taylor Desseyn: SOAR videos.

[00:37:52] Taylor Desseyn: I mean, Clark put out another

[00:37:53] Taylor Desseyn: one. I mean, riding into our,

[00:37:55] Taylor Desseyn: did you see

[00:37:55] Taylor Desseyn: it riding a horse into,

[00:37:58] Jason Torres: Were you guys drinking milkshakes?

[00:37:59] Taylor Desseyn: [00:38:00] know what it was.

[00:38:01] Taylor Desseyn: So,

[00:38:01] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:38:01] Taylor Desseyn: mean,

[00:38:01] Taylor Desseyn: but

[00:38:02] Taylor Desseyn: again, like the AI slop,

[00:38:03] Taylor Desseyn: like

[00:38:03] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:38:03] Taylor Desseyn: think

[00:38:04] Taylor Desseyn: the window. To gain market share through organic content is shrinking.

[00:38:08] Robbie Wagner: yeah.

[00:38:08] Taylor Desseyn: think

[00:38:09] Taylor Desseyn: we

[00:38:09] Taylor Desseyn: got

[00:38:09] Taylor Desseyn: about

[00:38:09] Taylor Desseyn: three

[00:38:09] Taylor Desseyn: to five

[00:38:09] Taylor Desseyn: years left.

[00:38:11] Jason Torres: I don’t even think it’s that

[00:38:12] Jason Torres: long. No,

[00:38:13] Jason Torres: And it, because we’re getting so much shitty AI slop that it’s

[00:38:18] Jason Torres: gonna

[00:38:18] Jason Torres: be

[00:38:18] Jason Torres: iterated on very quickly. all the bad stuff is what generates the good stuff. Yeah. Eventually. Yeah. So it’s

[00:38:24] Jason Torres: just, it’s

[00:38:26] Jason Torres: now

[00:38:26] Jason Torres: happening.

[00:38:26] Jason Torres: It’s

[00:38:27] Jason Torres: gonna

[00:38:27] Jason Torres: roll

[00:38:27] Jason Torres: out so.

[00:38:28] Jason Torres: exponentially

[00:38:29] Jason Torres: that it will start

[00:38:30] Jason Torres: getting good faster than I think a lot of us are anticipating.

[00:38:32] Jason Torres: It’s the

[00:38:32] Jason Torres: same thing

[00:38:32] Jason Torres: with

[00:38:33] Jason Torres: the

[00:38:33] Jason Torres: AI coding

[00:38:34] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. They’ve really

[00:38:36] Robbie Wagner: exponentially.

[00:38:37] Robbie Wagner: gotten

[00:38:37] Robbie Wagner: better.

[00:38:38] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:38:38] Robbie Wagner: Because

[00:38:39] Robbie Wagner: I could

[00:38:39] Robbie Wagner: do

[00:38:40] Robbie Wagner: absolutely

[00:38:40] Robbie Wagner: nothing with

[00:38:40] Robbie Wagner: AI for like.

[00:38:42] Robbie Wagner: Everyone’s like, oh, I one

[00:38:42] Robbie Wagner: shot

[00:38:43] Robbie Wagner: of this app. Like,

[00:38:43] Robbie Wagner: no, you fucking

[00:38:44] Robbie Wagner: didn’t.

[00:38:44] Robbie Wagner: Like

[00:38:45] Robbie Wagner: you wrote

[00:38:45] Robbie Wagner: that

[00:38:45] Robbie Wagner: app.

[00:38:45] Robbie Wagner: And

[00:38:45] Robbie Wagner: then

[00:38:46] Robbie Wagner: like

[00:38:46] Robbie Wagner: typed in Make me app. I’m like, whoa, look what it made like. But now it’s

[00:38:51] Robbie Wagner: like,

[00:38:51] Robbie Wagner: I don’t

[00:38:52] Robbie Wagner: know, with the agent stuff

[00:38:53] Robbie Wagner: that can just

[00:38:53] Jason Torres: keep rolling.

[00:38:54] Robbie Wagner: rolling

[00:38:54] Jason Torres: it

[00:38:55] Jason Torres: like,

[00:38:55] Jason Torres: yeah,

[00:38:56] Robbie Wagner: as

[00:38:56] Robbie Wagner: long as it doesn’t get mega

[00:38:57] Robbie Wagner: stuck,

[00:38:58] Robbie Wagner: it’ll just

[00:38:58] Robbie Wagner: go,

[00:38:58] Robbie Wagner: oh

[00:38:58] Robbie Wagner: yeah,

[00:38:58] Robbie Wagner: that

[00:38:59] Robbie Wagner: doesn’t work.

[00:38:59] Robbie Wagner: And then [00:39:00] Like change

[00:39:00] Robbie Wagner: itself.

[00:39:00] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:39:02] Robbie Wagner: it’s,

[00:39:02] Robbie Wagner: it’s

[00:39:02] Robbie Wagner: gotten a

[00:39:02] Robbie Wagner: lot

[00:39:03] Robbie Wagner: better

[00:39:03] Robbie Wagner: and I

[00:39:03] Robbie Wagner: can

[00:39:03] Robbie Wagner: actually do

[00:39:04] Robbie Wagner: some

[00:39:04] Robbie Wagner: things with it instead of

[00:39:05] Robbie Wagner: zero things

[00:39:06] Robbie Wagner: with it. So I’m

[00:39:06] Jason Torres: I’m very

[00:39:07] Jason Torres: curious to see,

[00:39:08] Jason Torres: cause code rabbits here.

[00:39:09] Jason Torres: I’ve never used Third product. Are you

[00:39:11] Jason Torres: familiar?

[00:39:12] Jason Torres: just from

[00:39:12] Jason Torres: what

[00:39:12] Jason Torres: they

[00:39:12] Jason Torres: told us

[00:39:13] Jason Torres: last

[00:39:13] Jason Torres: night.

[00:39:13] Jason Torres: Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[00:39:15] Jason Torres: No,

[00:39:15] Jason Torres: but I

[00:39:15] Jason Torres: mean, based

[00:39:16] Jason Torres: on

[00:39:16] Jason Torres: that

[00:39:16] Jason Torres: demo,

[00:39:16] Jason Torres: I

[00:39:16] Jason Torres: was like,

[00:39:17] Jason Torres: okay, like

[00:39:17] Jason Torres: I,

[00:39:17] Jason Torres: I

[00:39:17] Jason Torres: could see

[00:39:18] Jason Torres: a benefit to this. And again, it’s like

[00:39:20] Jason Torres: finding AI

[00:39:21] Jason Torres: or

[00:39:21] Jason Torres: areas

[00:39:22] Jason Torres: in

[00:39:22] Jason Torres: your

[00:39:22] Jason Torres: work

[00:39:22] Jason Torres: that

[00:39:23] Jason Torres: AI

[00:39:23] Jason Torres: makes

[00:39:23] Jason Torres: sense.

[00:39:24] Jason Torres: Like I feel like that That’s a

[00:39:26] Jason Torres: good one.

[00:39:26] Jason Torres: Yeah.

[00:39:26] Taylor Desseyn: Alright,

[00:39:26] Jason Torres: so

[00:39:27] Jason Torres: which

[00:39:28] Jason Torres: kid’s your favorite?

[00:39:31] Jason Torres: Who?

[00:39:31] Jason Torres: Me

[00:39:32] Robbie Wagner: Me

[00:39:32] Taylor Desseyn: I will

[00:39:32] Taylor Desseyn: say

[00:39:33] Taylor Desseyn: this,

[00:39:33] Robbie Wagner: I’ll say

[00:39:34] Robbie Wagner: this.

[00:39:35] Jason Torres: It’s such a weird,

[00:39:37] Jason Torres: literally mid Mick take a picture.

[00:39:39] Jason Torres: it’s

[00:39:39] Jason Torres: it’s journalistic would say,

[00:39:40] Jason Torres: I mean,

[00:39:40] Taylor Desseyn: say

[00:39:40] Taylor Desseyn: my

[00:39:40] Taylor Desseyn: son’s my

[00:39:41] Taylor Desseyn: favorite.

[00:39:41] Taylor Desseyn: No,

[00:39:44] Taylor Desseyn: that’s

[00:39:45] Taylor Desseyn: easiest. Sorry,

[00:39:47] Taylor Desseyn: that

[00:39:47] Taylor Desseyn: wasn’t the

[00:39:47] Taylor Desseyn: question though.

[00:39:49] Taylor Desseyn: The easiest. The easiest. My

[00:39:50] Taylor Desseyn: son’s the easiest.

[00:39:52] Jason Torres: I

[00:39:53] Jason Torres: like both

[00:39:53] Jason Torres: of

[00:39:53] Jason Torres: them

[00:39:53] Taylor Desseyn: the same.

[00:39:54] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:39:55] Jason Torres: I

[00:39:55] Jason Torres: like

[00:39:55] Jason Torres: my

[00:39:55] Jason Torres: middle daughter the most. So rephrase

[00:39:57] Jason Torres: that.

[00:39:57] Jason Torres: I

[00:39:57] Jason Torres: love

[00:39:58] Jason Torres: both.

[00:39:58] Taylor Desseyn: both

[00:39:58] Taylor Desseyn: of

[00:39:58] Taylor Desseyn: them

[00:39:58] Taylor Desseyn: the same.

[00:39:59] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:39:59] Taylor Desseyn: like

[00:39:59] Taylor Desseyn: [00:40:00] them

[00:40:00] Taylor Desseyn: differently

[00:40:00] Taylor Desseyn: depending on the

[00:40:01] Taylor Desseyn: days. I’m not looking

[00:40:03] Taylor Desseyn: for

[00:40:03] Taylor Desseyn: They’re

[00:40:04] Taylor Desseyn: not

[00:40:04] Taylor Desseyn: listening

[00:40:04] Jason Torres: right now, by the way.

[00:40:06] Jason Torres: I

[00:40:06] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:40:06] Taylor Desseyn: like my

[00:40:06] Taylor Desseyn: middle

[00:40:07] Taylor Desseyn: I, yeah, I,

[00:40:08] Taylor Desseyn: I,

[00:40:08] Taylor Desseyn: will say my daughter and

[00:40:10] Taylor Desseyn: I are

[00:40:10] Taylor Desseyn: the same,

[00:40:10] Taylor Desseyn: and it’s, and it’s going

[00:40:12] Taylor Desseyn: to become

[00:40:12] Taylor Desseyn: more of a problem

[00:40:14] Taylor Desseyn: like the other, like we

[00:40:15] Taylor Desseyn: were in Louisville

[00:40:15] Taylor Desseyn: and

[00:40:16] Taylor Desseyn: they put down

[00:40:16] Taylor Desseyn: bread,

[00:40:17] Taylor Desseyn: and

[00:40:18] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:40:18] Taylor Desseyn: went for

[00:40:18] Taylor Desseyn: the bread,

[00:40:19] Taylor Desseyn: and

[00:40:19] Taylor Desseyn: she

[00:40:19] Taylor Desseyn: snatched

[00:40:19] Taylor Desseyn: the

[00:40:20] Taylor Desseyn: bread, and

[00:40:20] Taylor Desseyn: then

[00:40:20] Taylor Desseyn: I

[00:40:20] Taylor Desseyn: snatched

[00:40:21] Taylor Desseyn: it

[00:40:21] Taylor Desseyn: out of her

[00:40:21] Taylor Desseyn: hands.

[00:40:22] Jason Torres: You

[00:40:22] Jason Torres: ever see

[00:40:22] Jason Torres: the, do you

[00:40:23] Jason Torres: ever

[00:40:23] Jason Torres: see

[00:40:23] Jason Torres: him

[00:40:24] Jason Torres: eat?

[00:40:25] Jason Torres: It is

[00:40:26] Robbie Wagner: I don’t.

[00:40:26] Jason Torres: sight to