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Adam Argyle This is J.S. Marty, your weekly celebration of JavaScript in the web. Shout out to our sponsors, Fancy.com, fly.io, and TypeSense.org. Okay, hey, it's you time y'all. It's time to play what in you. Hello world, we are back with another front end feud for your enjoyment. Returning champs, return. That's what champs do. They return to defend their title. It's Adam and you know from the CSS podcast. Welcome back y'all. What's up? Hello. How are you feeling today? Are you feeling cheeky? Are you feeling like winners? Are you feeling like you're going to defend? Are you going to lose? What's going to happen?
Third time's a charm, baby. Okay. I feel like Rocky hanging on the cliff with one finger and I'm like, I got this, I think. Yeah, I don't know how we won two in a row. Cliffhanger reference, old school. Does Rocky hang from the cliff or is it just slow? That's a good point. That's a question that will remain unanswered. Oh, we answered it. Those men laughing but not yet talking because I haven't allowed it yet are our contenders. It's Robbie the Wagner and Charles the third. I'll let him finish it from whiskey web and what not. What's up guys? Thanks for having us, Richard Dawson. Yeah, do we get kissed now?
That was the 70s version. My name is Jared Santo. I will be your host today and we're excited because this is a chance for a 3P. The first time in front of you to history we have a chance for a 3P. Now, for our last feud, I had Larry the intern write some icebreaker questions. Unfortunately, those questions were so bad that he's no longer with us. Well, he's no longer interning with us. He's not, he's not fired. So, I asked our new intern Terry to check out your guys' profiles and write a fun question for each of you, which I will read for the first time now. Okay, here I have a question for Robbie.
You are a self-professed Amber J.S. and Tailwind fanboy. When are you going to grow up and become a fan man? Yeah, I don't know. I think probably never. All righty. Let's turn to you, Chuck. Your name is Chuck Carpenter, but your enemies call you Charles William Carpenter the third. This begs the question, what is your third favorite would that you use for Carpenter in Bill? I'm a big pine fan. Good answer. Good answer. Unicravitz. You recently introduced the popover API to the world at Google I.O. What you did introduce was a popover blocker API. Coincidence? I wish. And last and least, Adam Argyle, Adam, as a large language model.
I don't have opinions on Argyle. Terry, you are so fired. I said, no AI, you're out of here. Let's just play this game, shall we? We're here to play front-end feud. This is the game where our contestants don't try to be smart and correct. They try to be smart and match what our audience said. As we surveyed 100 JS Party listeners, we asked them various questions about technology, about developer life. And we saw what the answer would be grouping together and we created a game board, which lists the top answers that were grouped. Now, you had to have an answer repeat five times to actually make the board,
so any answer less than five isn't on the board. The top answers are on the board. And our teams will take turns trying to match those answers. The team with the most points at the end wins. Are there any questions? I should point out one wrinkle in the rules is that each round begins with an interface off. That's upon. And after the interface off, whoever gets the highest match during that time, their team gets to play that round. They then gets a guess repeatedly until they have three misses. After three misses, the other team can steal. They get one guess. They have to match the board to steal.
You can confer at that time. You cannot confer while you're just doing your regular guessing. And if you steal, you steal all the points for that round. Makes sense. All right, let's get our game board up. I feel pressure. Let me know when you can see the front-end feud. Game board. Yep, okay. Okay. There we are. And ladies first, so we'll start with Yuna. And she'll be going against Chuck in our very first interface off. Where's my buzzard? Oh, we don't buzz. There's no buzzard. We take turns because latency problems. So we will just be taking turns. This will be Yuna versus Chuck. Yuna, we ask 100 JS Party listeners,
what is your most favorite programming language the top five answers are on the board? What do you think they said? I'm going to have to go with JavaScript on this one. Is JavaScript on the board? Yes, of course it is, but the twist ending, it's in point number two. JavaScript is indeed on the board, but it's only their second favorite programming language. Which means Chuck, you get a chance to answer. If you can match that top spot, you and Robbie get to play this round. This could be interesting. I feel like it's a trick answer for the first one then. These were JS Party people who were surveyed.
So I'm going to pick TypeScript. I can't believe this would possibly be the case. Is TypeScript the most popular programming language amongst JS Party listeners? It absolutely is. Number one spot, TypeScript, which to me has just proved that Nick Nesey stuffed the ballots and answered the majority of these responses. We're all Nick with different names, like Rick Nesey, Chick Nesey, Flick Nesey, stuff like that. Nonetheless, the what-nots have it. So one and two are gone. Chuck and Robbie will be playing this round. And we have three, four, and five left on the board. Velas, you got to match all three of those
and you take home all of round one's points. Let's go down to Robbie. It's your turn. What is our listener's most favorite programming language? I'm going to go with Rust. Show me Rust. It's on there. Number four answer with seven responses. Very good. All right, Charles, back to you. I'm going to pick... I'm a little torn between two. We can't confer, so I'm just going to pick Go-Ling. Show us Go-Ling. It's my last serious answer, okay. I'm sorry, but Go-Ling did not make the top five. Robbie, your turn. How about Ruby? Is Ruby one of the most favorite languages of our listeners? Number three with eight respondents naming Ruby.
So we have one through four matched. That's TypeScript, JavaScript, Ruby and Rust. The fifth one's still on the board. You have one strike, so two more chances. Before the chance to steal. Go back to you, Chuck. I'm going to pick PHP. Can't be true. Show us PHP. Oh, strike two. So far, Robbie is carrying the team. Yeah, now I'm going to lose it for us here. And Charles is proving that he's not in charge. All right, Robbie, here we go. Match that number five spot and you guys take home around one point. There's already 69 points on the board. I have no idea. I'm going to assume that this is like a weird one
that's not really a programming language. I'm going to say HTML. Four round one and the board is HTML. The fifth most favorite programming language of our listeners. It is not. I am so sorry, but you guys missed thrice. So our opportunity to steal, Adam and you know, you can now confer amongst yourselves. You have to match that fifth spot. You match it and you steal it. What do you think? Okay, we got one shot. Yeah, what are your guesses? I got one left on my list. I have two thoughts. My first thought is maybe Python because people like Python a lot. And there's some web coordination. I don't know if that's this audience necessarily.
So I'm not sure about that one. But my second guess is what if people just said none? Oh, yeah, that was a tricky thing about last time. That's quite a good number of things. I have Python on my list as well. So I have Python. I mean, you know, my heart says is CSS. And what's Robbie? Mine too. HTML is obviously up there as well. But I think Python's our strongest. But I don't think they said CSS. I think it's Python. Python. Let's go with that. Pypy show me. I'm hungry. You need some pie. All right, to steal round one and to prove why they are two time champs. Is Python on the board? They got it.
Number five answers. Python. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, y'all. That is a successful round. Yeah, I really thought it was going to be CSS to be honest. I would have made my heart happy. Well, we should mention a few of our noteworthy contenders. Like I said, five votes or more. You don't make the board. CSS got three. So it was right there. Nice. We got to get more CSS on your show. Yeah, I think so too. Java got two votes. And someone confirmed they were not joking. As part of the vote, HTML only got one. But it was not zilch like many other languages were. So not bad. But 75 points are going to the CSS podcast.
And we turn now to round two. This will be Adam versus Robbie in the interface off. We will start with Robbie this time on the flip side. What is your least favorite programming language? There are six spots on the board. Robbie, you get to guess first. Let's say Java. Show us Java. Number one answer. Java with 22 respondents naming Java. Their least favorite programming language. So again, Chuck and Robbie get to play. And this is round two. So we go now to Chuck two through six. Still out there. What programming language do you think our listeners do not like very much? I'm going to pick PHP again.
So you picked it on the favorite. And now you're picking on the least favorite. I feel like it could have made those kind of a shock on approach. Or what's the strategy? A little bit of that. Yeah. I've only got three answers in my head. The only language is that you know of. Okay, let's see if PHP made it around this time. I guess because it wasn't on the last board. Maybe that's some evidence that it might be here. Is it? Yes, it is. Number two answer. 18 people hating on PHP. But there's still many left. We go back to Robbie. I'm going to say. So are TypeScript and JavaScript different in the context of this?
It's whatever people say. Well, I'm going to say TypeScript. I think a lot of people don't like TypeScript. Show us TypeScript. Sorry, Robbie. Much to my Shagrin. People don't dislike TypeScript as much as they should. But no, they didn't. I mentioned that. Back to you, Chuck. Okay. Again, my shotgun approach. I'm going to say.net. Can you be more specific? So they'll program in language itself. Right, not for the framework. Yeah, C-sharp. Okay. Now you got it. Now you got it. Show me C-sharp. Yes, bottom of the board. C-sharp. Six points. So you've gotten one and two and six. Three, four, and five are left.
Do you have one strike against you? Back to you, Rob. On Robbie. How about just normal C? Is that different? Normal C? Like they don't like things being normal. No, I'm sorry. Funds encouraged. I just said normal C. Like they didn't only prefer when things are frantic. Okay, normal old plain old C. Do people despise plain old C? Well, you bet they do. Number four answer. Eight people. Do not like C. All right, three and five are next. It's getting tougher. Chuck, what do you think? Cold fusion. Show us cold fusion. Most of our listeners might not know what cold fusion is. Action script. Yeah. Yeah.
That was my web development class in college. It was cold fusion. Did you love it or hate it or think it was just okay? I'd put it on this list. Yeah, yeah, they're not. It's bad. So we're down to our last gas before the steel. I'm starting to have some deja vu guys. Let's see what we can do here. Number three and five are both out there. Robbie, what do you think? I'm going to continue with C and say C++. Show us C++. You got it. Number five with seven people. Not liking to increment their normal C. Good. Now Chuck can feel us. Chuck, it's all on your shoulders, my friend. Number three answer is waiting for you to identify.
I am not happy about this. Maybe it's a non-kind of serious answer. Maybe your listeners like the irony. I'm going to pick JavaScript. Could it possibly be that the least favorite programming language of a hundred people that listen to a podcast about said programming language? What kind of logic is this, Charles? Well, it's good logic because it's the correct answer. Oh! Eleven of our listeners cannot stand JavaScript. Yeah, it's a love-hate thing is what I was thinking, and I can empathize with that. That's a good answer. Very nice. It was a good answer. Just like that, you guys are back. I'll award you those points.
That's 72 points for the What Knots, and CSS pod saying that 75. So after Round 2. It is absolutely anybody's game. We move now to Round 3. This is a back with Yuna and Chuck facing off. We'll let Chuck go first this time. We asked 100 of our listeners, how big is your primary computer monitor? And I will say that the answers were all over the board, so we've grouped by ranges. So these are all ranges that match, but you don't have to match the range, just name a size, and I'll tell you if it fits inside of that range. All right, Chuck, you're up first. How big do you think people's monitors are generally?
36, you just show us 36. Sorry, you found the one range that actually has zero points, somehow you managed to find it. So this goes to Yuna. Literally, that's like the only answer that wasn't going to match. Yeah, pretty much anything's going to be on here, but he found the gap in the ranges. Go ahead. We'll see. I might also just not... Maybe. I'm going to go with 32, and I think that's how big my monitor is. Show us 32. Yes, the number two answer between 31 to 35 inches, 13 people had exactly 34 inch monitors, and 23 people matched inside of that range. So you matched a range, which means you've taken the board, and now for the first time,
you and Adam will get to play a round. So that's the second answer. One, three, four, and five are still out there. It is not 36. Adam, what do you think? 24. Do a lot of this. Party listeners have 24 inch monitors. Yes, they do. Number three answer, which covers the ranges 20 to 24, of which 15 of the 20 had exactly 24 inch monitors. So you landed on a common one there. All right. Yuna, back to you. Okay. I'm going to go to laptop screen sizes now, so maybe 15 inches. Show us 15. Number four answer. Three ranges 13 to 19. Five of the 18 people had exactly 15 inch monitors, but yeah, there's your laptop range.
18 of our listeners. That's the number four spot. So we still haven't matched that number one spot yet, or the last spot. So back to you, Adam. 12. Show us 12. I'm sorry, but that goes underneath the minimum size of 13. I guess we've moved past that age in our lives where we have 12 inch monitors. So back to you. That's one strike. Back to Yuna. Good try though. That was solid. Ipads, you know. Right. Primary computer monitor. Remember the specific question, but I'm going to go with just deducing the information we have here 25 to 30 inches 25 to 30 inches. Show us 25 to 30. That is our number one answer.
18 people have 27 inch monitors. It's a very common size and 26 total people fit inside of that range. So you have 87 points matched that number five spot still there. You have one strike to guesses to land the number five. Adam. They don't. They don't use an external monitor. None. Show me. None. Ah, to clever, to clever, my friend. Thank you. We're down to our very last guest now. It's starting to look. Save us. Yeah. Okay. Wait. So 36 wasn't on here. I'm just talking out loud. Okay. Please do. But that would theoretically be like the next category. Do people have like really big? I don't even know how big they make them.
Some people do. Well, we can't. Don't talk Adam. She's talking out loud, but you have to talk privately. There's like the curved monitors, which could be double wide. So if 36 is not a category in here, let's go with maybe 40 inches. That's my guess. 40 inches. So she's thinking no 36, you have to guess the upper range of that range. This is tough. Is she up to the task? We asked 100 JS party listeners. I'm stalling now for dramatic effect. How big is your primary computer monitor? Did more than five of them save 40 inches? You got it. 40 plus inches. What? Seven people. Three of which have 49 inch monitors.
So congrats to you all three for doing that, I guess. And congrats to you know, and Adam for clearing the board. A couple of no worthy answers. One person said I'm too lazy to measure it. It's like, all right, just with a blank then, you know, you don't have to write that. Another person said 24 inch horizontal, but 27 vertical. That person was not too lazy, apparently, to measure it. One person said, I'm totally blind. I don't use a monitor. So don't forget about our blind friends. And then one person just wrote iMac, it's like, come on, it's not even the size, so thanks for nothing to that particular listener.
But at the end of round three, all 94 points now going to CSS pod, you know with the final answer there, awarded and taking now, I wouldn't say a command and lead, but a lead is CSS podcast with 169 points. But watch out for those whiskey web and what notters, they're still hanging in at 72 and we move now to round four. Okay, this is our now famous inverted round. So in the inverted round, you want to match not the most popular answers, but the least popular answers that were at least popular enough to have five. So the top of the board, one is worth the least amount of points. And the bottom of the board, six is worth the most amount of points.
There is no face off in this round. We're just going to switch back and forth between the teams, taking turn, guessing the question that we asked our listeners, what non-financial work benefit do you prize the most? And we have the top six answers now on the board. We will take our challengers first. Let's go to Robbie. Do you think people said when we asked them, what non-financial work benefit do you prize the most? Does health insurance count as financial or no? You'll have to ask our 100JS pod listeners, let's say health insurance, phone a friend. Show us health insurance. Sorry, that did not make the top six.
We turn now to CSS podcast. Let's go to Adam. What do you think? I'm thinking funzies, sink giggles. Show me funzies. Survey says. I'm sorry. Jared's face is like, nobody thinks funzies is a work benefit. It'd be cool though, if that was listed on the perks, you know. Employment contract. Funzies. Yeah, exactly. 10%. All right. This is going to be a fun round already. I can tell. Let's go now to Chuck. What do you think? I can't be worse answers than those. Free coffee. What? Well, you laid the gauntlet and then you managed to maybe match with what a secure benefit. Nobody wants free coffee. You know, your turn.
Somebody please match the board. I'm going to say free food. Let's go back to the drawing board. Show us free food. What? Think better. Think smarter. Robbie back to you. Flexibility to work remote. Jared here in the editing room. I should point out that on the live show, I heard Robbie say flexibility, but I did not hear him say to work remote. That may seem like a small distinction right now, but this round is about to go off the rails and it'll make a lot more sense to you with that little nugget in your pocket. Okay. Back to the feud. Good answer. Good answer. Did people appreciate freedom and flexibility?
They sure do. That's the number two response, 18 people, but it is near the top of the board and this is the inverted round. So you only get 10 points because it's number two. We'll award those now and we will go back to CSS pod. So I believe it's Adam's turn. What is PTO show us paid time off now we're starting to hone in on what people appreciate. That is the number three answer. Some people said unlimited PTO, some said generous PTO, some said actually unlimited PTO, not that fake unlimited, refresh us not to take it. 17 people answered in that category is the number three answer. So it's worth 15 points.
I'll award those now and we'll go back to whiskey, women, what not, Chuck, I believe it's your turn. We have one, four, five and six still able to be matched. Okay. New hardware. Good answer. Show me new hardware. Not quite good enough. That one have few answers, but not. That's what I was going to say. So I'm glad you said it first. Well, you're trying to match on popular. So I mean, you can't blame you, but nonetheless, you know, Oh, this is hard because some of them have financial aspects to them. Right. That's up like how do they interpret it, you know? Right. Like I thought insurance is a good answer, but it's also, it's financial if you just break
it down, right? Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, I, I, I, a lot of them I'm thinking of financial, but what non-financial work benefit, benefit, maybe the networking that you get at work or the co-workers, maybe your co-workers, I mean, like, I don't know, the good one. That's not on it. All right. So maybe it's the, not so much the end goal, but the friends that we make along the way. Is that a important value that people benefit at work? Yes, it is and it's not that important. So it's number five, which means it's worked a lot of points. This is covers friendships, team events, networking, hanging out, meeting people.
So that covers that whole category. And it's worth 25 points because only seven people answered that. We'll award those now and go back over to the other side. All right, Robbie, we have one, four, and six. So far we have freedom and flexibility of schedule. We have unlimited generous PTO and we have friends and team events all answered. What else could people value that are non-financial? What about work life balance? Can you be more specific or can you put it in different words? Say new words. I don't know. If you were to say it in different words, what words would those be? All right. I would say that you're burgeoning upon one, but I might have to strike it unless you
can reword it quickly. Like not having to work longer than nine to five, I guess. OK, that one I'm going to put under freedom and flexibility. So I'm going to go ahead and say wrong. But you may have dropped a little breadcrumb for Adam, unfortunately. It's your turn now. Maybe you learn something from Robbie. I do not know the synonyms for work life balance. That's the term I tend to use with all my friends as well. I'm going to say skills and experience. So the acquired, you know, like on the job intelligence. Right, skill acquisition. All right, show us on the job intelligence. Yeah, we'll give it to you.
Not exact words up there, but learning education. This I can include skills development. It's the number four answer. Eight people said it, which means it's worth 20 whole points. We'll award those now. And you're building your leads, CSS pod. We're back to Chuck, but that number six is still out there. It's worth 30. So there's plenty of points on the board. If you can match that sixth spot, Chuck, what do you think it? All right, I'm going to try and follow the Reese's pieces and I'm going to say job satisfaction. Job satisfaction. I'm not going to ask you for a synonym. I'm going to go ahead and say yes, that is one.
And this is the general category of challenge impact made and that kind of quality. I think that is job satisfaction. It's how much of my impact. Only five people appreciate job satisfaction, which means it's worth a whopping 30 points. So we'll award those now. But strangely, the most popular, the number one, and somewhat overwhelmingly so, still hasn't been matched by anybody. So I'm wondering, what's going on with that? You and I back to you. My initial thought was sort of like working on interesting problems, which I think is the challenge and impact. Yeah, totally. Yep. But I also think a piece of it is building your portfolio,
which I think is slightly different. So maybe my answer is going to be some around building your portfolio or like open source work, because a lot of people get to do open source work and highlight the work that they do in their communities. So that's going to be my guess is open source work. I definitely see that as a benefit. Unfortunately, it's not the number one benefit on the board. Is it number six? Well, it would be number seven or below. It didn't quite make the board. So not the points. But we're only here working for five points. So I'm making you guys work really hard for not many points.
It's what I do. It's what I love. Robbie, the Wagner. What are you thinking? You think of a synonym yet? Oh, OK. So it's that then. Well, there hasn't been a synonym that matched quite yet. No, I mean, no. No, it was not an answer. Yeah, I had other answers. But now that you've said that that's what it is, no. Go ahead and guess whatever you like. No, no, I know it's not. I've got nowhere to be. I can just pretend. That's the wrong thing. No problem. Who needs five points? Let's say all of this is like flexibility, though. I feel like, but like, not a lot of meetings. So you can get work done, I don't know.
I'll say that's flexibility. So I'll say you got something else. I ex-naged you last time. So I'll let you guess another one this time. You're beating around this bush. We do have a timer, though. It's in my head and is counting down, furiously. Yeah, no. I don't have anything. I'll pass. All right, pass. Passing. You know the thing she knows, is it your turn? You know, is it Adams? No, I think it's too fast for me. Okay, Adam, do you think you know it? I don't think I know it, but I have a swag at it. Which also, did you flinch when I said the word swag? No. Okay. Well played. Well played. Try to do the horse trick, right?
Just to read me? Just put kicks. I'm like, oh good, I must be the right answer. I have been told that I have a tell. I am watching you touch your chin. Yeah. I'm watching your chin. You got no hair there, but you're reaching for it. So I'm like, is that mean that an answer is thinking, close? Yeah. I'm going to say, well, as much as I want to say, like, beer, like a cagerator, I'm actually going to say security, security, job security. It's like a intangible feeling and benefit that you get from having a good job. Okay. Show me job security. Unfortunately, job security is not any sort of a sin in them for what I found.
For what? I found. There are no other words for what? All right. Since we're struggling, I'll drop a little more. It's not a sin in them for what life balance, but it's just in that general area of what life balance. Back to Chuck. That's what that security was. I was like, security set type. It's a good guess. It's a good guess. There's a gap, I just say, there's a gap that's going to be very obvious when you guys hear it. I don't want to say more because I'll give Chuck too much to chew on. Grid gap or flex gap? I don't know. CSS. So I can't answer that. Just kidding. I'm not sure. It's not JavaScript.
A queen to survey. Or is it JavaScript? That'd be a good guess. That's what Chuck has done. What is like work, life balance, but not those words? Right. And not freedom or flexibility. I don't know. I'm just going to say respect. That's a good answer, actually. It's a wrong answer, but it's a good answer. I like that one. I'm not getting there. Yeah, I can't get none. Yeah. Have you been thinking about it over there? I thought you said you had it. I think I know it. I think I'm picking up what you're putting down. OK. Let's hear it. My guess is that it is parental leave. It's like work, life balance, but it's not realm, but it's not working.
Yeah. That's a really tough one. That's actually. I was categorized previously under like generous paid PTO, where parental leave is like paid time off. Oh. OK. So great thought. It was definitely people answered. I grouped it into PTO. So I'll let you go again. That was my thought. Oh, that's your thought. We can go back to Rob. I don't have anymore. OK. This is getting better. Rob, you can do it. The word is thickening. We'll just do that. Sorry. I have contractual obligation to make that noise. Robbie, since you've been beating around the bush, I'll give you a little bit of a hint. This is actually something that's controversial and in our common dialogue, people talk about
it. They write blog posts. It's important today in our society. Maybe that makes it harder. Yeah. For me, it's obvious. Because I know the answer. Parentally. Parentally? Yeah. I don't say that. That was a great answer. It just grouped in already. I'll provide another hint in the next round. Because then I'm starting to play favorites here, rooting for the underdogs, as is my penchant. Yeah. This is hard. All right. I'll say it right now. Here is the other clue. OK. Freedom and flexibility is about flexibility of schedule. It's not about any other kind of freedom or flexibility. It's just about like being able to make your own hours and stuff.
So if you're thinking that that's covered, that part's covered. But there's another thing that's not covered, which all of our audience is screaming into their podcasting apps right now. Why won't you just say? Like I said this before, but like working from home? Working from home? Remote work? Could it be the number one answer? Yeah. It is. Work from home. Slash. Remote. Good job, Robbie. Good job, Robbie. I'm glad that you got it at the end of the day, because you were closest to it when I didn't give it to you before. So I will award you those five points, which we spent more than five minutes.
And it's acquiring. Yes. We're so close. Unfortunately, after that round, you're still not in the lead. Whiskey, Web and whatnot has 117 points. CSS pod has 229 points. That's round four. But I have no fear, guys, because rounds five and six are both double points. So plenty of time to come back and we now move to round five. Double point round. I'm a SaaS that's software as a service, not some sort of attitude disposition. Name a software as a service that you can't imagine living without five answers on the board. We will have a face off. And I believe it's Adam and Robbie this round. Is that correct?
Yes. It is. All right. Adam and Robbie, step right up. You shall be facing off. Let's start with Adam. Adam, name a SaaS that you can't imagine living without. Very yet. Name one that our audience can't imagine living without. A GitHub. Show us. Get up. Number one answer. GitHub. Yeah. But only 12 respondents. So this is a very dispersed round. It's worth 24 points and it takes the board. So we now have CSS podcast playing this round. We go to Yuna. Name a SaaS. You can't imagine living without. I'm going to say, Versel for hosting and other things. Show us. Versel. Sorry, Versel is not on the board.
Adam. Netlify. Show me. Netlify. Wow. That was my ex-guess, so I think we're on the same page. Strikeouts in a row. Back to Yuna, you have a chance of losing it here already. Don't tell me that. I hate to break it to you, but that's just where you stand. I'm going to say analytics. So maybe Google Analytics. Show us. Google Analytics. That one is bundled into all kinds of Google things. Google Drive, Google Pay, Google Analytics, Google Maps. These are all softwares as a service that seven of our listeners can't live without. So it's worth 14 points. That's the number four slot. 2, 3 and 5 still out there.
One strike left. Adam, what do you think? I'm going to say logging services. So you got your centuries, your log rockets, your, yeah. Show us. Logging services. Oh, sorry, that is not on the board. So a chance to come back and a chance to steal for whiskey, web and whatnot. We can confer on this one, right? Yes, you two can discuss and get one guess. OK, because it's top of mind and talked a lot about recently, do we say chat GPT? I guess that counts. I'll stop you right there. This survey went out prior to the chat GPT craze. So they will not be on there because it wasn't. We did the survey late fall.
Oh, OK. That's a great guess, though. Yeah, it is. I would have thought, like, yeah, why not? What I'm seeing about that. What if we clarify, does that count for GitHub Copilot as well? GitHub Copilot was definitely out for a long time before that. So I would allow that answer. That could be good. I would say either that or like, there's got to be hosting of some kind on here, like Cloud Flare. Or can you just say AWS in that sense then? Oh, maybe. Yeah. So I mean, that's, yeah, you know, either the software interface for deploying and all that. So I would think that's a good answer. AWS. AWS, go on with it.
Yeah, let's do that. Show us AWS. Survey says, I think what happened this round is, I think our listeners answered more personally, and we were all thinking more developing because the services they actually talked about are more like lifestyle personal things. So no steal. There's only 38 points so far. We'll award those to CSS pod. And now I'll show you the answers we had. Number five was stripe. So that one is definitely a developer service. Number three was Gmail or email providing. So again, that's more of a personal thing than a developer thing. And then number two, of course, leave it up to JS party listeners.
None. I don't have any service I can't leave without. There it is. There has to be one rejection of the premise per show. It's kind of a requirement around here. So a quick round, not very many matches, still within reach, CSS pod has 267, what not with 117, but we have our final round coming up. And it's worth double points. Let's get to it. Speaking of GitHub co-pilot. So I will preface this with a contextualization. This survey was provided for our previous run and feud game, which was last fall. So GitHub co-pilot is very much a thing. ChatGPT came out in November-ish. So like the current AI frenzy was not quite happening yet,
but we did ask our audience in a word, how does GitHub co-pilot make you feel? This is about their feels. And we will go with a face off between you and Chuck. Let's have Chuck go first. I'm trying to contextualize, because it makes me feel creepy. GitHub co-pilot makes Chuck feel creepy. Does it make our audience feel creepy? Yes, it does. Number four answer. I was doing that for the walls. Close enough, they said icky. So I kind of put that in with creepy. So that means they felt exploited, robbed, or icky, all in that category of fans, creepy, it's exploitative, et cetera. So that's number four, but this is a face off.
So we're back to you. You can steal the board and play it. If you can name one, two, or three on the list of words that GitHub co-pilot made our audience feel. This is a very divisive thing. You can go either way here. I will say, as a representative of the CSS podcast, co-pilot is very bad at CSS, very bad at it. I think it's just the general quality on the web. So I'm going to say frustrated and annoyed by it. And I think a lot of people probably feel that way too. If they know they're craft and they're getting a result, that's unexpected. So I'm going to go with frustrated. Fashionoid seems like the same thing to me.
Yeah. Show me annoyed. Yes, they are annoyed. However, it's the number six answer. They're also tired. So this, I think, was more about annoyance of hearing about it, talking about it, et cetera. But I gave it to you because you said annoyed. And the word is annoyed. Hence the long pause for me to think about it. Just get it or not. So you get it. However, Chuck's answer was number four. And this was the answer number six. So he actually wins the face off. And they play this round, guys, this is your big shot. Here we go. All right, Robbie, what do you think? I'm going to say productive. Show us productive.
Number one answer, worth a whopping 44 points. People feel empowered and productive because of GitHub, Copilot, very good answer. Chuck's looking good. What do you think? Yeah, it sounds like people aren't so pessimistic as I had considered informed. Show me informed. Did not make the board back to you, Robbie. How about dumb? Can you say more? Like, they feel dumb or they think it's, I mean, in other words, do they feel dumb? Or do they think it's dumb? Like, it makes them feel dumb. Because it's like, oh, I didn't know how to do that that way. OK, thanks for the clarification. I'm sorry, but no.
OK, so the other way is the answer you want, Chuck. Right, right. No comment? Yeah, that wasn't helpful. Right, so instead of feeling dumb, Robbie's insinuating that they would feel like validated or smart. Maybe I'll just pick smart. They feel smart. I want to group that under productive. OK, then pick something else, what do you mean? They feel nothing. Always reducing the premise. I appreciate that effort. Unfortunately, they feel something. So no, they don't not feel nothing. A couple of people did say don't care or nothing, but not enough. So chance to steal, go ahead and confer three things to match.
One is gone. That's empowered and productive. Four is gone. That's exploited, robbed or icky, creepy. And six is gone. That's tired or annoyed. But two, three and five are left. Adam and Yuna, chance to steal. On a chance to steal your three time championship. Dang, no pressure. No pressure. All right, what you got? I have two, three, I have three possibilities. I mean, just going off of what Jared said, there's. You can't go all the way. I said the potential answer of people think that it is dumb instead of makes them feel dumb. So I don't know. That seems to be on the board. That's kind of annoyed, you know, if you're annoyed
because you're like, this is supposed to be smart. It's going to be dumb stuff. Yeah, I kind of feel like it is a part of that. But yeah, what are your ideas? I think so here's my silly one is that makes them feel like a pilot. Get it? Damn, wow, that really, that really was awesome. Jeez. There's your feedback right there. Not so funny, apparently. No, the one I think is decent is scared or anxious. It's making them worried about their job. On the other hand, they could be excited about thinking about higher level concepts, not having to do all the smaller steps to get there. I don't know. My last one isn't, well, I guess this one's
kind of supposed to be funny too, but it makes them feel like a tool. So I feel like a tool because this thing is just reading all my stuff and generating more. And it's just like, oh, I'm just a cog in its big machine. I like your idea about anxious or worried. Yeah, let's just scare it or anxious. I think so too. Yeah, let's go with that. Okay, we asked 100 JAS party listeners in a word. How does GitHub co-pilot make you feel? Three answers on the board, chance to a steal and to secure once again, a front-end feud championship. Does it make our audience feel worried, anxious or concerned? Yes, it does.
That is the number three answer. Some people just said it makes them feel poor. Like they're going to be poor because it's going to make them that way, which is 102 points stolen and awarded to CSS podcast. Let's find out what the other things people feel. So we had number one was empowered and productive number two. This was the one where I was trying to get you guys to circle the wagon on. They're unimpressed or they said, man, so that's kind of the, it's dumb, I'm dumb, but it's dumb. So that would have definitely matched. Anxious, concerned, poor, jobless was another thing people said. Exploited, robbed or icky, that's number four.
We got that one. Number five was curious about it. They're interested in it. Kind of excited, but don't know much about it. And number six, we had as tired or annoyed with the entire conversation. So for those people, I apologize. We're still talking about it, but what you get to do. We'll have to have chat GPT in the next one. Yes, chat GPT may or may not have written these questions for you guys. So after six crazy rounds and a great game, our contenders, whiskey, weapon, whatnot, you guys finished off with 117 points very honorable. Thanks for playing, but our winners for the third consecutive
game in a row. I'm never going to get rid of these two. It's Adam and Yuna from CSS Podcast. Congratulations. Great. I feel so good about my victory. Do you feel empowered and productive? Unimpressed and mad. Anxious and poor. Mad. Is this your highest points total? I just want to know how bad. I would have to go back and check. It's definitely up there. 3169 points is quite a few. I think y'all scored higher than one of the other teams. humble brag. We'll go with that, thank you. Yes, we got something. We will now do our post game Super Bowl interview. Adam, three time championship, unprecedented.
No one's ever done this. You managed to win front and field for the third time. Tell me right now in this moment, how do you feel? I feel like a turkey. I feel like I look like a turkey. I've acted like a three bowling wins. What is a turkey? You know what a turkey is? You switched games on me. I was thinking football. You're going bowling fair enough. I'm turkey. I feel like a turkey. I'm going to go eat a turkey. I'm going to pet a turkey. I'm going to do all the turkey things that I can. Is there a turkey whiskey? I'm going to drink some turkey whiskey. It's called wild turkey. There you go.
I'm down. I'm going to get a bottle and celebrate. I'm glad you connected back into the conversation with the wild turkey there. It's about to dock you about 200 points. Is there a turkey thing? But I won't do that. Actually, it's still one of one. Dang it. You know, you really came through in the clutch. I mean, you had a couple of big steals. You really carried Adam. He was pretty pathetic the entire game. I think I saw him tear it up at one point. What do you say when your teammates ask you how this day went and how you performed? Well, as a single tear slowly trickles down my cheek. I want to thank my teammates.
I want to thank my mom. I want to thank my family. I want to thank my dog. No, it's all good fun. Thanks for having us. It is all good fun. I always have a blast with this game. And I can tell you, as the person who knows all the answers, it's very frustrating to sit on the side and watch you guys grasp at them. But I empathize. I'm not tired and annoyed. I'm curious and interested, you know? And I'm glad that you guys managed to finally realize how important working from home is for the average software developer. Talk about a knowledge gap. Chuck and Robbie, thanks for playing anything like to say.
WhiskeyWeb and whatnot, you want to tell folks what your podcast is about, what you guys are doing, et cetera. Well, first of all, I just want to comment that the ref made some questionable calls there. I don't know. I think it could have been a little bit of a closer game. But yeah, well now, revoke your opportunity to plug. Terrible timing, Chuck. On the plug, I'm so Chuck. Just kidding, go ahead. We'll just kick Chuck out. No, were you going to continue with stuff to plug or do you want me to say things, Chuck? No, you do. You actually thought I cut him off. Yeah, I was cutting myself off and just let Robbie do it.
Yeah, whiskeyWeb and whatnot is, as the name implies, about whiskey, web, and general whatnot. So it's a fun time. It's a little bit of a different format. We drink some whiskey, get to know people on a more personal level. Of course, talk some tech when it makes sense. You can check it out at whiskeyweb and whatnot.fm and find all of our links to everything else from there. Very cool. But the final word goes to our champs, Adam and Yuna. Anything you'd like to say, open mic to the JavaScript world and web development friends, what do you want to say? Anything you want? My open mic is, if you haven't checked out CSS in a while,
a lot has changed in the last three years. There's a lot of really powerful new capabilities. We are having a new season launching a little bit later this year, maybe soon. But that's my call to action is if you haven't explored what's new in CSS, it's probably going to blow your mind. So it takes some time and do that. Very good, Adam. Anything to add or subtract? I want to know how many tentacles y'all would give wild turkey whiskeyweb and whatnot? Well, it really depends on which one. I mean, tentacles. I just wanted to say tentacles. Oh, is there multiple colored labels? Then the label that's the cheapest.
Oh, OK. Suburban 101. I actually think it's really decent for about a $25 whiskey. So for me, I like I'm a little spicy. I'd give it seven tentacles. Seven tentacles on a wild turkey, all right. I like it. I come back to it. It's pretty good. Seven out of eight, I assume. Wow. There you go, Adam. Oh, yeah, I'm supposed to keep talking after that. Oh, my bad. I like y'all show. It's really good. The what nots good, the whiskey's good. Your guests are good. Y'all do a good job posting that. I'm happy to meet you there, person here. I just everybody go own your content, make an RSS feed. If you don't subscribe to RSS, go get it.
Go find people. It's a really nice direct to your people. No overlords, no gardens, just straight up content. Email newsletters are good too, just a, I don't know. We're in a good point of time where you can own it and deliver it right to people's hands. It's pretty cool, so check that out. All right, well, on behalf of our awesome contending podcasts, I'm Jared Santo. This is James Pardy. This has been Front and Feud. Thanks so much for hanging out with us. But that's all for this time. We'll be back with another Front and Feud at some point. But we need to find somebody who can beat the CSS podcast.
That is all for now, but we'll see you again on the next one. If you enjoyed this game show format, we've made a bunch of them on James Pardy and Go time. The full list is at changelog.fm slash games. Thanks once again to our partners, fastie.com, fly.io, and Typesense.org. And to break master cylinder for producing those dope, Front and Feud beats for us. Next up on the pod, a male and I welcome Steve Kraus from Valtown to discuss his hot new social website to write, run, and deploy code. So stay tuned right here, that episode will drop in your podcast app. Next week.