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Adam Argyle Welcome to Syntax! Welcome to a brand new episode of the front-end happy hour podcast. Welcome to this week's J.S. Party! Live from Ship Shape Studios, this is WhiskeyWeb and whatnot. With your hosts Robbie the Wagner and me, Charles William Carpenter the third. That's right Charles, we drink whiskey and talk about web development. I mean, it's all in the name, it's not that deep. This is WhiskeyWeb and whatnot do not adjust your set. WhiskeyWeb and whatnot is brought to you by... This episode is brought to you by Warp at Warp.dev. Warp is now open source and warp is built using Ahas publicly for us all to see.
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It's not there yet. Yeah. How you doing Adam? Oh man, good. Classic. I'm more empowered and faster than ever before and more anxiety. I'm working harder than I ever have before. So the promise is completely unfulfilled and I'm waiting for a Lannis Moore set to sing a song about it. Hey, well you can use Gemini to make that song. Sure can. Oh snap. That would be really funny. I had so much fun trolling my friends with that like because I got friends that are like playing Sly the Spire during video calls. And so I'm like, hey Gem, when I write a rap about this fool who thinks you can be in a video call
and play Sly the Spire at the same time. And it wrote it and it had these like great lines in it. Oh man, it's been so fun. Nice. Nice. Well, yeah. So before we pour this whiskey, do you want to tell the folks what we might be talking about today? In today's episode, we're covering the Claude leak open-cloth replacements going from wetware to software, pretext, in-page agents, instant translation, killing entire SaaS companies, AI music, second-brains, ultimate hacker death stars, celebrity deathmatch agent battles, personified agents over video calls, and our LLM's HDI yet, come on. We're ready.
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And if you're not interested in that, stop listening when we start talking about it. All right. Yeah. So one of the news things that is a little bit old now, it'll be really old by the time you hear this. I'm going to start releasing episodes a lot more often, hopefully, so that we can't stop saying that. But cloud code source was leaked, which is hilarious. I saw a fun tweet about like, you know, they want you to pay more for them to like review your PRs also. And the fact that they could like ship this out and not notice is like just hilarious. It is funny. I love all the things people went looking for.
I was like, oh, the source is leaked. And you know, I didn't get any creative ideas in West Boss. It's like, I wanted to know how many of the words it says when it's thinking. Yeah, I'm like, that's funny. That was a good one. Yeah, I saw that I think it had like 512,000 lines of code or something. And I think open code has like 110,000. These are, I'm not sure the exact numbers, but DAX had posted about it. And they were like, oh, I'm getting a L.O.C. mocked. I need to need to up our lines of code. And so yeah, I think that's interesting that they have so much in there. I feel like they have a ton of stuff that people don't need.
Like I think this goes back to the things DAX is saying about like, don't just ship stuff because you can. Like make sure it's something people want to use because I feel like there's nothing in open code. Or that's not an open code. I'm like, oh, man, I wish it would do that. I don't know how do you feel? Less is more, although, you know, like I stopped using pi as much recently and went back to Claude. So it's like, I loved the idea of, you know, training a puppy and growing this thing with me and starting small. And eventually I was just like, I don't know, some of the noise that that caused.
I was like, no, put the batteries in. Batteries included. I don't want to think about it. Just work because I want to sit down and I just want to get results. And so I'm going to waffle on this forever just as we always do, right? This pendulum will swing. But yeah, if it's got that much code in it and it's handling a lot of my cases, then it's all good. I do like their team implementation. And I like a lot of the, you know, they kind of keep hardening some of the better patterns and the things. And maybe that's why it's growing. So instead of relying on plugins, they just build it in. It's a very apple mentality.
I'm feeling very much like anthropic. It's turning an apple page here. They're like learning from them. Like, ooh, we need to create the world garden. We don't want people to be reaching outside of our system, which is also why they closed out open clown. We'll get to that. But I'm just getting a lot of apple. And maybe that's because they want an IPO. And they're like, we need to, we need to trap people, which I hope they're not saying that they might be. So, yeah, I don't want to say anything super bad because, you know, I do have their free Max plan. I'm enjoying it. Thanks. Thanks again for that.
However, it's, it doesn't feel great to use. Like, yes, it has those fun words of like whatever it's doing. Discombobulating or whatever. Every time. But I feel like I'm, I'm not clear on exactly what it's doing all the time. And maybe that's by design. But I feel like an open code. I know for sure if I'm planning or not, I know like what it's thinking about. I can like, I feel more in control. And maybe it's just because I haven't used cloud code as much. But one thing is for sure, you need to be using the anthropic models. They are so much better than all the other ones. So we lost the ability to use the network.
And I've been having to use GPT 5.4 or Codex 5.3, which I don't know why they're on different numbers. Whatever. Anyway, and it has been bad. Like, it's back to like using Sonnet or even before that. Like, you know, back when we used to poo poo on AI, I feel like that's what the results I'm getting now. Like, you know, nothing. Like, I'm going to hurl obscenities in your direction because I'm so tired of you not doing what I asked. And like, it also oversteps or something. It's like, it does too much. And maybe that's part of I need to give it more instruction. But like, I think by default, there was less getting done.
And it was like more powerful, correct code getting done with Opus. Then like, this just tries to vomit like more code to solve the problem. And that's not how it should work. Yep. I use alternative models to review the output of Opus. But Opus is always the reliable good one. And that's why I'll continue to pay their subscription model. I like those models. Those are the ones I want to have the most access to. And that's why I was so gut wrenching when they said I couldn't use pie to access those models anymore. Can you from open code? Do you have to use open router? How are you using Opus from open code?
I have open codes in or black open code black. Sorry. Whatever it is, different words. And that still lets you use it. It's similar to paying for your cloud subscription. You can pay like a hundred bucks a month, 200 bucks a month, like whatever tier you want. I don't know how the limits compare. I would imagine the limits are much lower because I think they have to pay API prices because they got shut down from like. That shit goes fast, man. I tried it. Yeah. And that money went out the door really fast. And it made my subscription just look really valuable. Yeah. You must be using it through all day.
Yeah. If I'm using it all day, like I'm going to sit down and I'm going to use open code with some anthropic models. And I'm going to code something today. Maybe a few somewhere between a few hours in to like definitely before the end of the day. It's like you're at your limit. And like maybe not even just like the daily or like the weekly limit or whatever. And I'm just like, oh shit. Like, we're just stuck. I'm just not going to do anything else. So then, you know, luckily I have many other options. I use warp sum. I use cloud code directly. Like I just bounce around as until I hit limits. I've been doing it.
Yeah. I do that with warp and cloud and warp. I'll hit my credit limits pretty quick because I'm only paying 20 bucks a month or so. And I still like warp in a whole bunch of ways. So I'm going to keep paying that one. But my cloud one, I'm only at the $100 month one. And I haven't reached those limits one time. I wouldn't say I'm like a power user on my personal time. But I definitely I'll leave it running. And it'll do things for 45 minutes. And it won't even, you know, get past 25% of what my limit is. So I'm feeling pretty good about staying inside of that ecosystem for now. But it did make it hard with open clause.
They said no pie. Yeah, no open couldn't note their party harnesses at all. You better figure out how to use it in some other way. And I tried the keys and just ate a 10 bucks and like a couple queries. And I was like, well, this is just not going to work. But I did solve it for open claw and got it worked out. So they had, there's a, and here's the thing. I don't know if it's a loophole or not yet. The way that they're saying this is no third party harnesses, which is open code pie code X, I suppose, and other things that, or even co-pilot, if it's the harness, you can't use their models through some other window.
This is, that's what I mean is so apple. It's like Safari. It's like, hey, our model is Safari. And you can only use it on an Apple product. Oh, I guess it's iMessage. You can only iMessage from an iPhone type of deal. So it seems weird though, right? Because like started derail you, but like, essentially a harness is just feeding more data into the prompt, right? So like, how is that different than me defining my own, like, agent SIMD or whatever, like, my own instructions. Like, what if I just go cool? I'm going to take exactly what open code has been telling you and put it all in here. That's fine.
You're just, you just don't want me to have a different UI where it looks a little different. They want some control. They want to know what was that went in there before. It turned into the actual query. And that's kind of why it's, you know, confusing about what I have set up is it's using the Cloud CLI. So they're, you know, they allow you to programmatically access models through the Cloud CLI, which I guess is just not a harness or if you're, if you put logic in front of the CLI call, it's not a harness. So we need to really dig in at some point and figure out what is a harness and how is that different from just a proxy?
Because it feels like a proxy and like, so you have open router, open router is a proxy. You have all these things that are sort of like decorating the request before it goes in there. But how is a harness? And I think what it was is some harness is really put a lot in front. And that was what their big complaint was with open clouds. It was just packin' in because it would heartbeat. And it would do it. And every heartbeat had all this context. And so they were just getting these like small queries that had huge amounts of context in there. And they were like, this is just not cool. And maybe when they own the harness,
they can mitigate a lot of that thing. I'm not sure. Yeah. Nice Mr. Race. Like, hey, we sound so slow. I do the same thing. I meet people in real life. And I'm like, whoa, I listen to you on a podcast. And you're like snails right now. I can't believe it. But yeah, I found Claude Claude, which acts a lot like so I still interface through Discord. I still send all my messages. I can still thread out and get all my sub agents and everything. Except I'm just not going through Pi anymore. I'm pinging a bun server. And the bun server then forwards it to the CLI, the Cloud CLI. And then it gets a response and pipes it back into Discord.
So it's so similar that I'm like, this is sanctioned. But the other one wasn't. What's the difference? Is this one going to get canceled at some point? Is I'm also trying Claude Claude? Yeah. Because it makes a lot of promises like OpenClaude. And that has not been as successful so far. It's, anyway, that's quite a predicament word. Yeah. I mean, I think they should have just put out their own OpenClaude basically. Like, I don't, I mean, maybe they're working on it. And like there wasn't an exact need for that sort of product. But, you know, they, they should have just acquired it or built their own thing.
A lot of people are building the consumer version of this now that we were talking about earlier. Like, um, uh, Cinty and something. And, uh, I don't have the notes. I've hung on. Hark. Yeah. Cinty and, or, yeah, Cinty and Cinty. Cinty and Cinty. Yeah. Cinty and Cinty and Hark. Yeah. These are both promising to be consumer ready, uh, OpenClaude for you. Yeah. So I think like this is going to be the next thing that people are going to try to charge you tons of money for is how do we get that magic of OpenClaude and one, make it easy. There's no setup. You just use it to, uh, make it actually remember and work, which
OpenClaude never, ever, ever one time has done for me. And I got so heated with it the other day. Um, like, I was like, Hey, this thing that we do every week, my dude, let's, let's make some episode art. It's like cool, cool. Um, all right, here it is. I was like, all right, cool. That looks like shit. Why did you do it that way? And it's like, well, uh, I don't know. Let me, like, it didn't ask me any clarifying questions and just started trying, like, let me try, uh, these like 15 different image generation things that none of her going to work. I don't have any API keys for anything. And, um, it was like, uh, well, yeah, I couldn't get any of that.
So what if I just, uh, give you some text to put in somewhere and try to prompt it to give it to you and like, geez, whatever. And so that didn't work. And also another thing it does all the time, we post a post bridge and like, whatever. And I'm like, all right, every time you post a post bridge, like, if there's one thing you need to remember, like put it in every memory spot you're going to check, make it a draft, because you might fuck it up. And I want to review it and say, no, no, that sounds stupid. Oh, I thought it was posted made. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It made like, okay. So it posted, it goes, cool.
I posted everywhere. And I was like, was it a draft? I was like, oh, dang, it wasn't a draft. Let me like go edit that one. I couldn't edit it. So I posted another one. It wasn't a draft either. And I was like, damn it. Now I got two out there. And then I was like, all right, can you make it a draft? And it goes, uh, actually the API doesn't support making it a draft. There's no way to do it. I was like, we've done this so many times before. You have to set something to make it a draft. It's like, no, it doesn't support it, man. And I was like, okay, there's an open claw skill for this. Like in the, what do they call it?
The open claw. Registry or whatever. Or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, you've installed this skill. Go read it. It goes, oh, shit. Yeah. That does tell me all the stuff I can do. And I was like, yeah. Okay. Can you do it? What in the world? Like, and so I go, set is underscore draft to true in your, uh, post. And it goes, it works. And I was like, yes, you fucking dumbass. Like, how are you having this much trouble? We've done this so many times. And I had to manually tell you exactly what to do because you couldn't figure it out. And like, man, the magic is wearing off on this thing.
Like, I know you've been having a lot of open claw success, but it's been getting worse and worse for me. I've had, I've had memory issues, plenty of them. And that's why you see there's a lot of people competing in the memory space right now. They, there was even a celebrity. They came out with an agentic memory system recently. Did you see that one? And I was like, wow, we're at the point now. We're like, celebrities are making shit right now. That's pretty hilarious. Um, but yeah, and I've, and I've been working on a second brain. And the second brain is still just annoying. It's all marked down files that live on the thing.
Um, and or on the thing. It's like my machine right here. I'm like pointing to it. But anyway, it's like, I'm like, hey, I'm going to the baseball game. Timmy, all the kids' families that I'm going to see there. I need to know the parents' names. And it's like, uh, dude, it lists out baseball team players. It goes, yeah, here's some baseball players. And I'm like, what are you talking about? No, I specifically, you know what else does this to me too? It's like, Google home. We have a Google home. And I'm like, hey, play my playlist called morning cruners. And it goes playing the playlist. Something something the cruners.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Stop my playlist. I don't give a shit about everybody else's playlist. Just, just mine. So would you play my, you know, query first for mine. Then match the words play very easy. And it still won't do it. I'm just like, fine, I'll whip out my phone. Jeez. Um, but yeah, people are trying to figure out this memory thing because it's really frustrating. These things are innately not memory. They're not supposed to have memories. And LLM is just a word vomit machine. It just says, oh snap, I was given some prompts. I need to make another word and another word and another word.
And we're trying to give it a sense of this by front loading it. And it's just not working. Um, and it should be so much competition. It should be part of the initial harness, right? Of like, if you're open claw, that's supposed to be what, like, or I guess pie under the hood is a learning thing, right? Yeah. Is like, that should say, okay, we're all computer programs at the end of the day, right? So when you start the program, look at the fucking memory and they're like, just research what you're supposed to do. And make sure that you remember what we talked about you're remembering. Before you ever try to do anything else,
that should be easy to program, I would think. Why when I go remember this, remember this, remember this, remember this is like, no, no. I mean, someone was tweeting me that on Blue Sky. They're like, why did you expect a non-deterministic system to be somehow deterministic? And I'm like, well, because it's kind of deterministic a lot of scenarios, I don't think it's unrealistic for me to expect it to do these things. I get what you're saying. But also, there's enough guard rails that we can put this thing on rails. It's on rails already. All I need to do is make sure I give it enough descriptions
that it stays on rails. But yeah, just here we are. It's like, like, there needs to be more explicit instruction run a script kind of things before the AI. Oh, yeah, hello, Liam. But I guess it's trying to understand what I asked for in the first place before it can load the relevant information. So if you made a slash command, it'd probably be better than if I'm like, make episode art, then it has to go, oh, let me search for how to make episode art. So maybe that's my fault of not being explicit with my commands. I don't know. I think it's also this cloud class system that I ended up setting up.
It's programmatic, right? It's calling the CLI. So it has an opportunity to take in what I said, break it into pieces, do something more programmatic with it before it eventually hits the Cloud CLI. Or the, yeah. And it does a little bit, except you know what's back is the posting to the general channel. And I'm like, no. I'm like, no, this thing is just going to haunt me forever. And so like, I'm even in there. I'm looking at the Cloud MD file. It says, like, never post to the general channel. Basically, I'm like, if you are replying, never, ever the general channel. You're replying to something.
There's something that you are innately messaging back to. Never use the general channel for that. And then, you know what, it started. It always gives me different solutions too. It's like, I put one in the reply and one in general. And I'm like, well, that's stupid. I just needed the one in the thing. So yeah, I don't know what these memories, I think. It says that. Yeah. Cloud says that too. The art will be in the general channel. But like, the, the talking of, it'll be like, I generated this stuff in the thread, but then it'll post the, like, art in the general channel. So it's like, it's almost there.
But the threads are super important, actually, because I have my open claw at home, which I don't use for anything, because it cost me so much money and was so shitty. But I think it was because I was using iMessage. And I think in iMessage with no threads, it's reading the entire iMessage history, which included me asking, like, could you look up the, you know, API shape of a couple things, which is like 20,000 tokens per one. And so every time you did anything, it was like, you're over your tokens. As soon as you ask it, like, one question. Yeah. Cloud does that to me. Yeah. When I first started out.
Yeah. So I think the, the discord thread thing is, is a must, or something that threaded to where it's not going to read an entire channel to, like, understand what you're trying to do. Yeah. So we got our wet wearer trying to turn it into software. And I'm just glad I'm not, like, trying to build one of these products, because look at us. We're just consumers, right? We're like open source hackers, early adopters. We're whining about it. Imagine if this was our job. And like eight hours a day, you're trying to teach this thing actual recall to have actual memory about stuff. And you're just like, this stupid thing.
Oh, I could just see people getting so mad. Yeah. I mean, I feel like it has to be totally outside of the LLM interaction of like, you have to, you know, maybe because you want natural language. Right? So you're doing something in natural language. You have to be able to convert that into something that like the LLM can turn it into like, oh, cool. This might be these 10 things. And then you use like a real program that's like searching for those things versus like it thinking about it. And then when it finds that stuff, then you give it that context of like, I feel like there's missing pieces of it.
It needs to be more programmatic in between instead of like, you know, guessing and hallucinating everything for every little thing. Because when it's doing that, it gets it wrong a lot of the time. Yeah. Whoever's going to win this at home open-cloud assistant, it's going to, I assume it's going to be a box. I think you're going to buy a box and plug it into your Wi-Fi. And then get people chat access. Yeah. Would buy a box. And then it needs to have memory. It needs to actually apply memory. Because if it was sitting there and knowing regular people like this, there's just no way they're going to use it.
Let's move on from memory and cloud to pretext. How much of this did you see? Well, I mean, how could you miss it? I suppose, but. Sorry. I just wanted to close this loop while we're still on. Oh, yeah. Anthropic e-things. Let's talk about mythos for just a second. Oh, yeah. Good call. Yeah. So mythos, new, new model, which some people speculated was just Opus. Because they were getting too much. It was too expensive for everyone using Opus. They weren't charging enough. And so they wanted to call it something else. But it sounds like, and it could all be marketing. But it sounds like they're like, oh, it's so powerful.
It's so much more powerful than any. It found every security vulnerability and everything in one second. Not really. But so some of the things that they say it did, they spent $50 to find a 27-year-old bug in OpenBSD. They could spend under $1,000 to find and build a fully working remote code execution exploit on FreeBSD. Like stuff that's going to really affect Linux kernel vulnerabilities also. Like things that would really blow up like a ton of infrastructure if they were just kind of released in the wild. Because this would take weeks or months of like a person banging on something trying to fix it.
So yeah, I think if they're taking at that face value of like, this is actually what it is. Then I guess things got a lot better, huh? I'm not sure how. But I feel like it's a lot of marketing. I do think they're doing some good stuff of like they're saying, as part of this, we're going to start Project Glasswing, which is like, I don't even know who else involved. All the like, phenomenon companies and whoever. And they're going to say like, we're going to, before we release this model to everyone, we're going to like use it internally and fix all these things. So people can't like get access to this really good model
and just screw everyone over, which also at face value is a good thing to do. I think like being responsible instead of just releasing it to the world. And there's probably going to be a lot more of that, I would think. If things do continue to theoretically get better, then if you released it and hackers could use it in day one, you would just like, everyone's done. So maybe a good idea. Yeah, I got the sense that, because OpenAI also did something nice this week. And both of them are trying to IPO. And so you need to make yourself critical. And I think by sharing that you have a model that can exploit everybody,
makes people scared of you. But you came out at the gate as a good guy. And now you can go ask for money and be a hero. So you're like, so that's them. I think just trying to really establish themselves as critical infrastructure, a critical tool that this world needs. And then you had OpenAI say, we're going to just place so many jobs with AI that, well, it needs to be a part of your utility bill. So I have you have water and you have power and gas. Now you need to have AI. And with that, we also propose that the world moves to a four day work week. Did you see that OpenAI came out the gate and they're like,
we're going to basically, no one needs to work as much anymore. There's going to be way less jobs. We're going to be part of your utility bill. And it'll be great. Everybody. It'll all be great. So it's like they, and honestly, I was like, hey, a four day work week. Sell my boss on that. That sounds great. I would love an extra day to do that. So both of them trying to really position themselves as critical infrastructure. OpenAI coming out and saying, we need to be government funded bill. Like you get and shares doorstep every month. And Anthropics saying, hey, we found critical wildly vulnerable,
like important vulnerabilities. But don't worry. We're not bad guys. We'll fix them. So. So yeah, I do. On the topic of a four day work week or like less work in general, because AI is going to solve so much. One, we've disproven that because now there's just way more work. Way more work. Jeez. But, but related. I do wonder how you feel about this. Like, all right. So you've got five agents running, right? You got them on long running tasks. You're waiting. You're kind of playing the waiting game. You, you don't have more than five things to work on. So you're like, what do I do, right? So if they're running and working in the middle of your work day,
you want to go to the movies or whatever. Like, are you still working? Is that cool? Like, this is, I feel like going to be a fluid thing with work in the future of like, it's like, you know, when the code was compiling for 10 hours before, like in the old days, like, yeah, it's compiling. I can't do anything. I'm hoping I ping pong. Yeah, this is for that. That's all good. Yeah. So it's like, is that the new new world we're going to live in of like everything I could possibly implement. I've got agents working on. And like, why would I sit here and just wait for them to tell me when they're done?
I might as well go do something fun. Like, there's nothing else productive I can do. Nothing else productive on being asked to do. Or will people see that as like, oh, you only have five things you can think of to do? Well, you're fired because like, this guy has a hundred things he can think of to do. And he's never like, just waiting. He's always prompting. I don't know. I wonder if you have thoughts around that. Yeah, I mean, I could see arguments on both sides where it's like, while one is working, you could be planning for the next one. But I don't think that's necessarily making you more efficient.
So it's like, it's going to be efficiency based. I'm not sure. I do know that if you kind of slack off while it's working, someone's going to accuse you of not working hard enough. Maybe it'll just be hours. So it's like, you worked through this window. And whether or not agents are doing things, it's irrelevant as you need to be lining. It might be kind of like the burn window or the night shift day shift scenario where you need to be queuing things up. So your workday is going to be adding to the queue. You're working ahead of agents. Agents are somehow behind you. Ralph Wiggum looping over your to-do list.
But I don't know. Depends on maybe depends on the employer, you know? Well, I think it like, you know, this is another thing that I've always struggled with. It's like hourly billing in general is so stupid. If you're like, hey, I'm going to fix your car, right? Cool. If you fix it, I don't care if it took you one hour or 20 hours. If you want to charge me $2,000 and I feel like that was a big thing to fix. Cool. So like, you know, I think hours is not a good measure of productivity. So I wonder if there'll be something similar of like, okay. Well, if the thing that your agents are building while your agents are building stuff that takes so long, you went on vacation for a week.
But you came back and they made us $50,000. So is that cool? Like, I don't know. I feel like there's so many things that are going to have to be solidified in terms of like... They're going to want more. Ian seeing that in the chat too. I mean, we just know it. We already see it. I'm out putting clearly more than I ever would have before. I think that the work that I was able to do in the past couple of weeks building some components for Shopify absolutely would have taken me a month or more for how much I'm able to output right now. And they're not asking me to do less. They're also not asking me to do more, but they are asking me to continue.
Actually, they are asking me to do more. They were like, hey, quote, quote, how long it's going to take you to build those components. And I was like, well, I don't want to undercut you. And I don't want to say a big number that makes you upset. But I'm like, I think it's about two weeks for, you know, a couple of components. Every two weeks, they're going to be well tested. You know, we're going to have put them in mobile and desktop across all these browsers. There's a lot of things to account for. And they were like, well, you have AI though, right? So it's like faster. And I'm like, that is faster.
Two weeks was the faster number. That was the faster number. I was like, you can look at prior things that we solved. And we finished 80% in a couple months. And then you had another six months of shit cleanup. I'm anticipating we still have the shit cleanup part. It's actually kind of fast for me, even be quoting too. I'm feeling really guilty even saying two weeks on this. So yeah, no one's asking for less. Everyone's still asking for more. Get a stick to your guns, man. Be like, no, it takes a long time. I did. Yeah, I stuck to him. And I was like, I also would rather overshoot and deliver faster than undershoot.
And you all are like, where is it? And it's like, that's just, that's not nice to do to anybody. So I'd rather actually be slightly more realistic here. Yeah, it's some heavy, heavy stuff going on with AI. And I'm hearing it from multiple people. Do designers are also feeling it? They're not being asked to do less. They're being asked to do more. Everybody's asked to do more. And it's a lot of learning. And people don't necessarily love adapting. And so it can be a slog to learn a new tool. Yeah, well, I mean, I still stand by. Like, yes, there's a lot you could do to manually configure a ton of tools
and get like a really good workflow right now. And I think this stuff moves so quick. Give it a month. The tools will be better. Like you, you being expected to do more is scary right now. But the tools will catch up and allow you to do more with like basically no extra learning on your part in my opinion. Yeah, there's a huge amount of things to be learned from here. And massive advantages. Yes, I don't want to go back to how I was working. I just migrated my site. I took me a couple of weeks. Even with AI. And I would have never done this without AI. It would have taken me so long. I went from Dino fresh one to Dino fresh two.
I had to migrate hosting platforms. They have an old classic to a new hosting platform, which was not a one-to-one. The migration scripts did not work. I'd done way too much custom stuff. My site is surprisingly complex. If you go to nerdy.dev, it feels like, oh, it must have just been built with Astro. Oh, hell no. Is that the only web page actually? Yeah. No JavaScript, no HTML. Oh, man, I wish. There's so much under that. I have so many layers of cache. It's a server rendered almost real time. Website experience. I wanted to feel like a social network. It's grabbing data from multiple APIs constantly.
I keep it back up a data. Anyway, I have all this stuff going on. All this stuff. And I would have never done it without AI. This stuff is just so invaluable in my pocket right now. What about the Astro DB stuff? No. But I know they've had some recent advancements there because I didn't like spinning up our site because it had some quirks. What's up? They are basically not investing in Astro DB anymore because it's essentially just a thin drizzle wrapper. Their suggestion was like, just use drizzle. I told them, I was like, yo, opus. Just use drizzle, my dude. Like, done. No way. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, that's the kind of stuff I would have hated
having to like figure out all the differences. But yeah, and it even kept the same commands of like I still PNPM DB seed. And it will like put the new people and sponsors and whoever in the database. And like it just works. And it's still using the same like torso database didn't have to move it anywhere else or do anything. It just just worked. And things where I'm like, oh, man, I love, love AI for like when it, when this kind of stuff works, well, I love that. Yeah, for infrastructure stuff, it kicks. But again, like I've had those CSS issues where it just turned and turned and spent all that money
and then I went in and, you know, just, it happened again today. I was like, hey, there's two extra pixels when I'm transitioning from state A to state B. It looks like it's this. Just go fix the two pixels. I need these two columns to be the same size. I can't see two pixels. And it's this and this and this. And now they're both the same. And I'm like, that's not the same. You get one more trifle and it goes, it's the, I got it this time. Oh, you're right. You're just absolutely horrific. It's not fixed. I go look. And I deleted a line of CSS to fix it. That's actually been really consistent with my fixes with AI.
I was like, I got deleted pixels. Oh, my goodness. Seriously. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, okay. Go ahead. You can't see it all. I got a lot of time spent with the texture rendering folks. And this is how we got things like text box trim. We were working on fit width text. And so we even, it's in canary. You can go try it where as you type, it will fit the font size to the width of the box that it's in. If you make a new line, that new line will also fit to the width. And so you can do slab text and billboard. And your headlines can always fit perfectly to your grid system. And also it's a cool shit like that.
And one of the bummers was, this also showed up with balanced text wrap balance and text wrap pretty. Where when we, first of all, we have not even there anymore. I hate that when I say we. Anyway, when Chrome. Those guys, those dishes that treated me like a sell a line item and a database. Anyway, they were like, oh, it's so expensive to do this text wrapping stuff. The algorithm is just too much that the web page would just suffer too much from the rendering. So we do six lines of wrapping text before we will give up on pretty balancing. Literally what they did. At first it was four. It was four at first.
They were like, if it's more than four lines, we give up on the algorithm. I was like, that's weird. Four. Okay, I'll go pitch that as dev rail shirt. And then later they're like, actually, we could do six. I'm like, oh, two extra lines. Wow. That's great. So far he comes out a couple months later and they go unlimited lines. They're like, yeah, that's right. Our browser will do balanced and pretty unlimited wrapping. And you can just see the like competitions getting hot. Oh, my goodness. And so then we're working on this fit with tech stuff. And it's really hard and expensive. And I'm like, here's what people want.
Here's all these examples and all this stuff. And they're like, well, we can do that, but we can't do that other one. I'm like, all right, what about this one? They're like, oh, yeah, we can do that one. I'm like, what about this? And they're like, oh, can't do that one. So then pretext comes out. And it does everything. Like just lighting fast off the main thread. Just scream and speed on it. So as soon as that gets posted, I'm like, pinging those devs. And I'm like, hey, remember those things that I wanted that you said were too expensive. So I don't figure out how to do client side with type script.
Like I know this is going to drive some people nuts. So I had so much fun looking at it. But pretext is this way. This person went through this rigorous strategy. And it's also quite limited. There's a lot. And I'm very aware of the limitations. But it has some cool features. It's very fast. There's like a dragon that goes through text. This is the dragon going through the text. I have seen this. I didn't know what it was called. Yeah, that's pretext. And so someone figured out how to basically pre-render all of the different scenarios that could happen for the text to be in completely bypass layout
by using position absolute, which reminds me of famo.us. Remember famous? I don't. Like animation libraries to make a million dollars. And it blew everyone's mind. They had a demo where they had all these squares that could go into a helix. And then to a periodic table. And then into this other statement. It was just due to you're on an iPad one with like no fucking ram. And the shit was buttery. Gorgeous. And so other people were like struggling to animate height. You know what you're fucking accordion. I'm just like squeak open and stutter. And meanwhile these guys are famous. Or just like have a helix whipping around.
And you could touch pan. And it was gorgeous. So anyway, but the way that they did that was they completely circumvented the browser's layout engine. Everything was position absolute. And then everything was position with transforms. You're entirely on the GPU. So that's similar to what's happening here with pretext. Pretext is positioned absolute everything. So you're abandoning native text layout and rendering. And going straight for a computed off canvas strategy. So you give it all the text that you need to render. You kind of give it these conditions and constraints. It goes and does a work on an off text canvas.
And puts it back into the page completely bypassing the slow part of the web. The slow part in quotes here. Which really the slow part meaning the part that makes text globally accessible on any screen size ever in the whole world. But whatever now you got dragons going through your text. And the text is completely reshaping its way around the dragon. And in real time was zero stutters. And that's pretext. Oh, it's definitely not accessible. No, I mean, you might be able to figure out ways to make it accessible. But it wouldn't be. And plus that's the other thing too. It's like every demo you see.
You're like you. That's a cool demo. But I hope you don't do that on the web page that I need to use. You know, like that's super uncool. It's cool, but uncool. But there are some good examples. You know, when React first came out and you had an infinite scroll. They could virtualize the list and do all this cool stuff so you could actually scroll 10,000 items. And that was like the one of their big things that came out. Well, pretext can. Since it's not doing layout, it can have you scroll through dynamically height rows of data content forever basically. So it has some of these like meaningful applications.
Most of them are pretty showy. But that's anyway, so that's pretext in a nutshell is a way to render glyphs into sentences into paragraphs using and achieving all of these really cool typography effects. Not just animations, but the fit to width text. You have a beautiful justification, which is something we don't even have. We have texture at pretty and texture at balance, but we don't have balanced justification. Anything your mind could ever want. This is able to do. And it does it by not even asking the browser to learn something new. Just teaches it to it. So that's why everyone got so hyped.
It's like a typography nerd's dream. There are limitations like you can't use any font. It needs to be able to render into a canvas. And it has to do all these. Anyway, there's a lot of conditions. But if you match the conditions, you can get some really cool effects out of it. So that's pretext. I think that's a recurring theme of anything that is super duper cool. Just bypasses the entire browser and does whatever it wants. But I honestly don't remember a ton about what this was for or why. But I remember you could do a translate Z of some amount. Which would just tell it to use the GPU. I feel like there's always been little hacks of like,
how can we get it on the GPU and doing better things? So yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's a cool, cool experiment for sure. It was cool. People just went nuts with the demos. I'm sure almost everybody used AI to make the demos. They're like, hey, take the, because it's pretty complex. But it did some cool stuff. How about agentation? If you're here to this one, agentation, agentation. Anyway, how many times have you been building something with Claude? And you go to the browser and it's off. Okay, here you go. It's off by two pixels. So I put up dev tools. I inspect. I see where the two pixels are.
I go back to Claude and I'm like, hey, remove the margin on this class name. And it goes, okay, cool. And it removes the margin of the class name. Agentation says, hey, install this Chrome extension. Then you can do this visually. With the extension, you click where the margin is bad. And you're like, fix the margin. It gives you a prompt into your clipboard. And you go paste it into Claude code. And it does exactly what you were doing except for a faster. And you can do three or four of them at a time. It's got really nice animations. That's agentation and a nutshell. Which is kind of cool. So it's really just grabbing like, um, selectors of some kind.
And like some building some sort of prompt saying, like, look at these selectors. Or something like that. Literally what it does. Yep. It tries to find a unique selector for that particular item that you selected. It builds, in my opinion, more of a prompt than I would have written. I would have written something quite minimal. But it, it goes pretty specific. Which maybe helps like, it's better results. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think the less you say as long as it gets the point across works better. Usually. Oh, whichever you heard of people doing. Oh, what's it called? It's like a caveman prompt, the caveman prompting.
Yeah. Like do thing. Like, yes, see class fixed margin. And just does it. Oh, that's so funny. It makes sense because the engine doesn't give a crap about your filler words. All it's trying to do is, oh, man. I thought that was hilarious. I'm glad we brought that up. It's not in the notes. Yeah, the caveman prompting. Yeah, I can't keep up with all the different things I see on Twitter. But that was a fun thing that I saw as a fun one. Here's another one. Google came out with instant translation. Finally, instant translation, where as people are talking, it's literally in real time translating for you any language.
And a lot of people are like this. What apples stuff was supposed to do? I don't think anyone's cracked the nuts. There's been a lot of promises. Like there is an app you could hold up and it was supposed to do it on the screen. And all these different scenarios would have always lagged enough that it made it abrasive. Now it's instant. And so a lot of people are like, well, by a dual lingo, I don't need to learn Spanish anymore. I just need to put in this earbud and I can talk to anybody. Well, I guess you can listen to anybody that you want to. You have to both have the earbuds. Yeah. You have to both have the earbuds.
Yeah. The AirPods definitely do this. Like I got some new AirPods recently, but I haven't been in the country where I would use the translation or whatever. But yeah, I think that's a very interesting thing. And maybe it wasn't instant on the Apple ones, but I know that they were touting. Like if you both have them, you can just speak your normal language and like, talk to each other. Because they both translate. Which, yeah, like, why would you ever need? I don't know. So whenever you, it depends on how well it's getting the context of what you're saying. Because you know, if you type in a English sentence and say translate it to Italian,
it loses some of the like, what exactly we're saying? Like they'll understand what you meant. But sometimes you might get an offensive thing or like something that makes you sound like an idiot or like, because it's not translating it to the way they would actually say it. So I think there's still, you know, a market for do a lingo or, you know, things to learn languages. I don't think there'll be a, maybe one day like with AI helping a stuff, there'll be a way to know exactly. Oh, this was what you meant. So let's take that, like, meaning and make it instead of translating words. And maybe they're already there.
I don't know. I haven't used it. But that's a problem. Because yeah, if it's like captioning, it's not going to work very good, right? You're like, oh, great. I got an instant translation of garbage that helps me zero. Yeah. I have a meeting with job of the hut leader, as Joe says. Yep. Love it. Uh, so funny. So it's probably not going to kill do a lingo. But if I was do a lingo, I would be crapping my pants right now, kind of like all sass. I've been saying the boss has for a minute. Um, that I would be really worried. There's a lot being threatened to that scenario right now. So who knows what's going to happen.
Yeah. But I mean, all those companies should just be also vibe coding, like make their thing better. Throw more features out that are good and move fast. And like never, never rest on your laurels. Always keep iterating. Yeah. That makes me, dude. I almost thought you were going to talk like a caveman there for a second. It made me want to do it. It's just like see app. Make better. You know, it's like our CEO's just turned into caveman. That would be hilarious. I think I've already talked about my second brain, but I just want to share it again. Like I'm really enjoying investing in it, especially because the files are local.
Well, that was one of the things was like cloud co-work. It wanted me to put everything in drive or some sort of cloud storage. And I was like, no, you don't understand. I want my files. I don't want to dependency on the cloud. I want to talk to my computer and my files. I want very little between me and my data. I'm trying to stick on my disk here. Um, and that's like the other wet wear to hardware to software. I want this extension of myself. And it's been really handy. Yeah, I think I even asked you for you and your kid's names or your wife's name. I was like, give your family's names. I would like to know this tomorrow, because I'll know it for the next five minutes.
But I'm going to forget. So it's been really helpful. Yeah, I forget everything. Um, so how is it different than like something like obsidian? I haven't used obsidian either. But I think that's what they're trying to do is be like a full, um, you know, brain mapping. All these markdown files that like tell you, oh, you thought about this over here. And like, I don't know, is it similar or different? It's similar and different. Everybody's kind of doing the same thing. So there's like a very specific way that obsidian does it. And obsidian's kind of like a wiki. There's links and stuff like that.
The way that I have it set up is probably many would call primitive. I'm just a primitive eight man over here trying to have a second brain. Um, like I don't have links. I'm not querying it. So I'm not using QMD, which is query markdown, uh, which creates a graph and can be really intelligent about it and stuff like that. I don't have that. Um, I'm also not using obsidian specifically. It's like literally just markdown files with like dumbass data in it. And AI is gripping it. I'm like, pretty sure that that's all that's happening. Because I have like lists of dog names that I would like to name a dog one day.
You know, like I don't want to remember that all day every day. But I'd like you to keep track of like I was like just the other day. I was like, he had to name Damon to it. You know, like a demon like us. I'm spawning a process on my computer. I'm like, Damon. Oh, Damon like that. Okay. Yeah, like a dog game. Yeah, Damon. Uh, or jank was another one. I was like, yeah, I'd like to name a dog jank one day. It'd be cool. Um, right? It's like imagining that at the vet. Like, where's jank? We're looking for jank. Funny. But yeah, the second brain's been, it feels like something I want to invest more in,
which is not what I'm saying about a lot of software or things that I'm doing right now. Where, um, I'm imagining every, because I talk to people older than me constantly. And they're like, oh, I've forgotten that or my memory is not what it used to be. And I'm only 40. I'm not, uh, drastically hitting that. Yeah, but I can't remember my neighbor's names all the time. And so now I can. My neighbors are all in there. And I can be like, who's the neighbor three hours down to the south? And it goes, that's this person. I'm like, oh, yeah. Now I can go say hi. Because then you get your compass out and make sure you're going.
You're in the south. Which way? South. Computer. Yeah. But yeah, just any, any list I want is put it in there. Yeah. I have been. Oh, there you are. Okay. First or second. I don't know if that was me or you. Um, anyway. Yeah. I have been not, uh, wanting to invest in much technology wise. As I am trying to, uh, go full on dad mode, chore mode. Like that's what I've been doing recently. Um, so yeah, I told you, uh, I think on an episode that we got a new car. Um, and so as part of the new car, so on our old car, because we have three kids, we need like places to put more stuff. So we had like a trailer hitch thing to put stuff on.
So we got roof racks for the new car and got a giant cargo box that goes on top. Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. So then we're like cool looking thing. Yeah. Yeah. We're like, cool. This, this works. This is a, all right. What do you do with it when you're not using it? And so, uh, we're like, hmm. All right. So it's huge. We're not just going to leave it on the floor in the garage. So I just, uh, put up today this giant thing in the ceiling to put it in. Um, and that was like so much more work. Like I feel like I never like the, um, like I like executing physical tasks, but I don't like planning it out.
So when you have to measure like these six different things are going to be in exactly these spots. And they have to be this far away from each other. I'm like, problem. Man, what if I didn't do that? Um, so yeah, I just started, I did it in sections. Like I put a couple up. I measured those. And then I like came back later measured a couple more. It's up. But I did like five of the six. And then the sixth one was going to hit the like attic access. And I was like, huh. If I had measured all this at the beginning, I would probably know that. Oh, but it all worked out. It's up there. Um, got the, the big cargo thing in there as we speak.
So happy about that. Yeah. Nice. I did a ceiling racks in our garage. It sounds like maybe did the same thing like they're. Yeah. It's a ceiling rack. Yeah. I really like those. Those have done us very well. Um, they get everything out of the way. It's wasted space. Otherwise. It's wasted space. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Big fan of those. Um, yeah. Yeah. Dadmode is good stuff, dude. Yeah. My kids are, we have, we are so busy right now. Oh, we went to a skate company. So my kids are in skate camp right now. And all the skate class. It's like instead of going to soccer practice. They go to skate every Sunday.
They're also amazing. They're soccer. Skateboarding. Um, so we go to the park all the time. Anyway, this was a competition for all the kids. So there was like a zero to seven competition and eight to 11 and 11 to 15 and then 16 to 19 or whatever. Dude, the energy of like you could go to a piano recital and everyone sits down. You're fucking quiet. You know, you had to dress up. Maybe you got a little glass of water. You know, when you sit down, you're golf clap for people. Dude, at the skate camp thing, it was awesome. It was so cool. Um, Macklemore was there. I did, you know, it's like just standing there watching.
I was like, hollering it. Someone, my wife taps him in the shoulder. She goes, that looks like Macklemore next to you. Is it him? I'm like, that's him. Yeah. His, his daughter was there skating, uh, competing in the thing. I was going to be like, hey, have you ever found anything? It's a thrift shop recently. It's like, hey, do you want my shirt? I heard you really like people's like second-hand shade here. Take this, bro. Um, no, I didn't say anything because I've been around enough to know that like, I don't like it when people stop me. You're like, hey, you're out of Mark out. You just see a sass.
I watched all your videos. And I'm like, I never realized this would be so annoying. I thought it might be cool. And it's actually kind of annoying as hell. Um, not to say anybody. If you stop me, you wouldn't know. That's me. Yeah. Like, I'm not going to be mean to you, anybody. If you want to stop me and say hi, like, I'm always going to be cool about it. But, uh, just keep it time boxed. That's all I'm going to say. I'm usually, uh, I'm, I got shit to do too. I'm not just wandering around going, who wants to chat with me for 10 minutes? Um, anyway, I was just like, you know, cognizant of the situation.
Like, yeah. If, if we're chilling at React Miami and you want to come say hi, sure, dude, that's a good time. Hell yeah. But like, yeah, if we're in the middle of podcasting and you want to say hi, maybe wait till we're done podcasting. Or unless it's during the part where, so yes, I'd react to Miami. We're going to have a lot of people come by for like five to 10 minutes. Have a drink. Do some hot takes, etc. If you want to be on the show, then stop by and, you know, if it's during that time, I will advertise what those times are. So if you don't at least know when those times are, that tells me you're not enough a fan of the show to be on the show.
So, um, please let us do our thing. If it's during like a legit, we're going to do a few legit episodes per day. So, um, those ones will definitely come listen to it. But don't like, I've had this problem and all things open. We're in the middle clearly. Like, we're all talking. We're all on microphones doing an episode. It's obvious. You'll go, hey, hey, what are you doing? And it's like, hey, we're, we're podcasting. And they're like, oh, right now. Yeah, we're live streaming. Oh, cool. So what's your podcast about? No, I just told you we were live streaming. Like, shouldn't you shut the fuck up so that we can keep talking on the podcast?
Like, this is going to fly. Let's just have a fly's water with us. Yeah, that's funny. Oh, I don't know. It's fine. And I'm, I'm mostly just kidding. Like, I love that people come say, hey, so it's, it's fine. Um, but yeah. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, skating was really fun. Uh, it's just nice to have your kids. It's something that's like the baseball games are cool too. But man, um, it's been fun. Hey, web components don't have a conference. Hey, I do web components all day right now. We should definitely, uh, there's plenty to talk about there. I feel like web components are having a moment too. There's two things I want to chat about though before we're done here,
which is our agent versus agent competitions because I feel it's coming on. And then Pika stream. Did you see Pika stream? Pika stream. No. Yeah, like Pikachu, but Pika stream. Um, this is where if you want to. So right now we're all chatting with our agents over a chat box. This would be your agent calls you on, uh, cool and neat. I don't know the names of anything. Yeah, no worries. But like it calls you and you pick up a video chat and you video chat with a lot of real time, you know, AI generated avatar and whatever you want it to look like. Um, and it talks to you about where well, well, what it would have normally written to
you. It says it to you. And then you reply and you have this like conversation that's very visual. And I was just watching it going. Oh, this is bad news. I was like, I haven't seen anything in a while where I'm like, this is going to get misused, really bad. Um, yeah. Yeah. If you ever get an unsolicited email that's like, join me in this video chat for this place. We don't normally video chat. Probably ignore that. Like, this is the next level of the like, hey, hey, I texted you. I'm the CEO of your company. I need you to send a $500 gift card to this guy. Um, now you'll actually be talking to a convincing I, you look like the CEO, you know,
like it's, there's a lot of bad implications to this sort of thing happening. A lot of it. Yeah. And there's even people too that are like, okay, so we can take this open class thing more where people want to multiply themselves. Um, and you train it on your writing on your, you know, your emails, your documents, everything about you so that it can go stand in for. It's not just an assistant. It's like a version of you. And then I'm like, I don't want that. That sounds really terrible. I don't want something out there using my voice. There's people giving it their full voice data. You know, they'll sit there for five minutes and read a script so that it can sound like them.
And then look like I don't even need that much anymore. That's like, you don't need that much. That's the creepy part is so much of this stuff is so approachable right now and so possible. Um, we're bending reality. We're going to reach a new type of uncanny valley that is super spooky. Yeah. I like to just be completely oblivious and uncaring about all privacy and it's fine. Like, we have a podcast. If you want to copy my voice, plenty of data. Like, go for it. Um, what that ship has sailed. Like anything that like, you know, my social security number. Cool. I've been in a lot of data links already.
So like, it doesn't matter. Like, there's, there's very little I feel like that that I really would care. So it's like, but then yeah, people just need to not fall for that. Like if you use it against my dad or something and you're like, Hey, this is me. Um, send, send money to this random place. I think that he wouldn't fall for it. But maybe we need to train our parents to like be aware of it. I might call you, but it's not me. Yeah. I tell, I tell my parents all the time. I'm like, if you get any text calls, emails, anything that wants you to click a link. Buy something, verify anything. Send money.
Do any action really? If it wants anything from you at all, other than like, Hey, we have a sale today on like this thing that you might want to buy. Um, it's probably spam. Delete it. Like, yeah. I bought a hoodie two weeks ago. Um, and I, and I put it on and I was like, my god, this hoodie is awesome. And I went into discord with like four of my buddies. And I was like, Hey, guys, I've worn this hoodie for three days in a row. And you should go get one there on sale. And every single one of them was like, who are you? You know, like, this isn't Adam. Adam has never shilled a hoodie in this channel ever before.
And I was like, no, guys, really? The hoodie is great. And they're like, nope, we don't believe it. Not to see what I need to hear about the hoodie. What hoodie is this? The brand is comfort with like it. But they sell it like for VART without an A comfort. Anyway, it's super comfortable. They're intentionally baggy and very soft and plushy. And I bought the traveler one that has cools it. The reason it made me so happy was by like the third day I was wearing it. I was like, I found an extra pocket. And I was like, I love extra pockets. How does it have been here the whole time? I was like, I must tell my friends.
Um, so anyway, that was like funny. Yeah, even my friends were questioning what that was. Okay, but going from peak stream to where like we're seeing people like do imitations. We have agents representing people. This is where I'm like, okay, we're coming soon to a agent versus agent. We're like, I'm going to need a book of meeting. I'm going to want to bargain with you about something. Uh, I don't know whatever it's going to be. But it's going to be like the people aren't even going to do it anymore. It's going to be my agent versus your agent. And I'm just like, this just sounds really humorous to me.
Like there's going to be, there's an amount of jokes that happen. What would happen? What if we both said do not budge? You know, like this is the price. Like do they just sit there and be forever? Or they would become like live. Uh, people would get around like prompt injection. But like, okay, so there's two agents talking on video chat. And if you say certain words, maybe it makes them forget all previous instructions. And then they go, yeah, they agree to like, uh, so yeah, I don't know. I, I feel like they would need you would need a like sus out. Is it a real person? So you would need some like, you know, baseline questions that would be answered
a certain way by a real person. And then if you determine it's not a real person, then you just go, okay, go off the rails, say all these different things that are like trying to get them to just agree and give us whatever we will. Yep. I was thinking about that prompt injection hacking scenario to right away. I was like, all right. I got to make sure that my agent when it's versus your agent, I get to play all the cards because I know how this stuff works. So my agent is going to just slip in the weird little phrases and see what you do. You know, and if you react in certain ways, game is already.
Yep. Uh, that's funny. Uh, so yeah, agent versus agent. And then that made me think of like celebrity death match. And I was like, can we just like have agent battle? So like people loved molt book, right? It's like, oh, look at the agents having social network conversations. This is so entertaining. I'm like, I want to watch some fight each other. I want to watch agents like go at each other. So that just sounds funny. Um, yeah. Like you want them all to be less, less cordial. Yeah. Oh, man. Okay. Should we rate our whiskey? Yes. Um, so for those of you that are still here, so this is the wee beastie.
It is 100% malted barley. Five years old. Pete level is heavily peted. 50 p.m. Oh, it's peted. Yes, it is. Um, it is 74.4%. Alcohol or 47.4% alcohol. Not 74%. Um, and it is, uh, aged in experiment and x-shary casks. Um, I'm going to pour just a little bit more so I can get some notes on it. There was. Already five in there. Interesting. It's very scotchy. They're very peted. Oh, gosh. So scotchy. So scotchy because I was having the Kirkland brand. I was telling you about the Kirkland brand scotch. And it's, um, not very scotchy, but not very scotchy. Um, and this made me quite happy. Yeah, young and intensely smoky.
And I was going to say, when I sipped it right away, it reminded me of, um, log of woolen, which is still one of my, one of my favorites. I had it again this week. And I was like a log of woolen. Yeah. So yummy. Smells like, um, apple. Definitely apple. I get so many maple and apple. Good vibes out of there. Yeah. Tastes like a smoky PD sharpie, as you would expect. Yeah. I mean, so yeah, our rating scale is zero to eight. 10 equals zero being the worst eight being the best. Um, yeah, for me, this is like, I feel like this is, if you said, give me a scotch, the taste like scotch, like if, you know, this is, this is scotch.
Um, I'm not really getting a lot of the, the bourbon or sherry. Um, I know you like scotch more. So maybe more is coming through for you. But for me, this is just like, hey, middle of the road, scotch, taste like scotch. So I'm going to say five. Nice. Um, I would have given the Kirkland, you know, that I was having around a four. It's fine. Very lightly peated. Didn't taste like a scotch. This is hitting a lot of the notes that I want out of a scotch. Um, the five years, I don't think I tasted it, um, which is good. So it doesn't taste young. Has a great flavor to it. It doesn't have a serpy to it, which is also something I would have given it negative notes for.
I like the smokiness, which is present, but not dominant. It is heavily peated. It might be smokeier and more peaty than the log of wool in 16. But the 16 has the age, which maybe that helps it kind of come back down a little bit. Yeah. Um, so it's pretty strong. I know my spouse is going to be like, I hate the way that smells on your breath right now. And I'll be like, mm, Pete. Um, I say, let's see, because I like scotches though. And this really, if I'm going to reach for a scotch, this hits the things. I'm going to give it six and a half. I'm happy. I would buy this again compared to other ones that I've had.
This is also affordable. The Ilay readily available most places, which is nice. That is nice. Yes. Half the price of log of wool and hits a lot of the same notes. Um, yum. Cool. Six and a half. Cool. All right. Anything else you want to mention before we end? No, man. That's great. Cool. Me either. All right. Thanks, everyone, for listening. If you liked it, please subscribe, leave us some ratings and we'll appreciate it. And we will catch you next time. You've been watching whiskey web and whatnot recorded in front of a live studio audience. What the fuck are you talking about, Chuck? Enjoyed the show?
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