From the Rickhouse: Tech Talk, Social Media Use, and Netflix with The Primeagen - Whiskey Web and Whatnot

Hey, what's up everybody? Robbie the Wagner here. Just giving you a quick update if you are a fan of the show You've probably heard that Chuck and I have a lot going on in our lives right now I have newborn twins at home and Chuck is fighting with the Italian consulate trying to get his visa and various things like that So we haven't gotten as many episodes recorded as we would like That means we're gonna have to have a little bit from our backlog where we replace some of our favorites and are from the Rick House collection Hope you enjoy these and we'll catch you guys in the next episodes What's going on everybody welcome to whiskey web and whatnot with your host Robert William Wagner and Charles William Carpenter the

Second that's right. I'm moving up the ranks. I can't wait to be a senior Charles William Carpenter But I just haven't met all my milestones yet. You know, I'm trying to mentor more Yeah, all right. We have a special guest today. Second time guest the primogen. What's going on? Hello, hello. Thank you for having me yet again. I'm surprised after the first one Let it happen again. I mean this is shocking for me. Okay. Oh, yeah, you You're under the misnomer that we have high standards Don't worry. You know, it was once said of me that I come with nothing and leave everything my standards are exceptionally low

So perfect not to it's actually that could be an insult for you guys to worry my standards are low enough for you You just say yes to anyone to send you free booze. I know Yeah, I was like wait, there's whiskey involved. What do you want me to do? Well, right exactly well on the off chance that our listener Didn't happen to listen to the other episode and you need to let them know who you are and what you do Sure, the names the primogen very odd name. I say that at the end of every YouTube video I guess probably the lead a big change since the last time we chatted I'm probably now best known under a separate moniker

Which is the prime time I don't really go by it on any platform But it's my second YouTube channel, which is now more popular in views than my main channel Where I just read articles so I'm not sure exactly how that has happened But I just you know one day to start I was gonna read some articles because you know we all don't read articles Just the headlines and I was like I'm gonna do this for two YouTube and it's just That's how people know me now. So I guess I'm just an article Andy. I just read articles on the internet That's pretty fun. You should get sponsored by that drink that that drink prime. Oh, yeah

I'm not sure I think it's an energy drink. Yeah, it is an energy drink if I'm not mistaken Congress has actually tried to ban it once. I don't know if I want to necessarily Be on either side of whatever that is let's clarify because There are two drinks. There's an energy drink and like a hydration version the hydration version is very good I don't know if it's good for you, but there's no caffeine in it. Okay, so the one with like Five times the caffeine of red bull is the one they're trying to get rid of cuz like yeah, that's fair Yeah, there's a ceiling on too much caffeine and one sitting I guess I don't know. Yeah

Yeah, I hear this to see that my it's so my big rule of thumb just so I know this guy I know this is off topic, but it's not off topic I think part of being a peak dev is being Conscious of your health and so that's technically the real reason is you know artificial sweeteners a time and time again come up as Probably bad for you They had a study that showed two generations in rats afterwards had heightened anxiety problems from their parents drinking Artificial sweeteners. I don't know. I don't trust it. So artificial sweeteners too much sugar too much caffeine I love coffee though. I've been drinking half calf coffee in Urba Mate

I'm kind of Urba Mate up right now in fact. Oh, I love mate. Oh, I have to get into that too because I want to get into And a little bit later I want to get into not only your status as a streamer But sort of the stance you've taken on on tech Twitter again for like at Advocating for good health advocating for like good moral standards being a weirdo unlike loving your family kids and wife and all that Fun stuff. I'm a bit antithetical. I get in a lot of trouble. I get called a lot of bad words For saying these things. It's which is a little surprising. Anyways, we can get to all of that. Yeah

You got the conversation. I'll just talk endlessly. All right. Perfect. That's what that's what we're here for So let's go with the whiskey then. Yeah, let's clearly you're feeling a little nervous You know, we need to get into a little whiskey and losing up a bit today We're having the spirits of French lick William Dalton single barrel weeded bourbon So this one's going to be a little hotter. It's a 110.84 proof aged 4.5 years Minus barrel 779. I'll assume you got the same give or take they did a barrel match I would assume. Yeah, right. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Okay. Hey, listen Don't ruin the flow. Okay, match bill is 70% corn 20% wheat and

10% malt so it's two row caramel melted barley Not really sure about that, but the note that I found about it is it's inspired by an old stitzelweller we did bourbon match bill Stitzelweller was like a huge Distillery right in Louisville. It was really big front things like old Fitzgerald in the 5060s and 70s. So the fun thing is the master distiller at stitzelweller was Pappy van Winkle Now know as the branding and everything else for yeah, because what they did that's how they started that bourbon his grandson son grandson something like that bought a bunch of like old steel barrels full of like old Fitzgerald

That they couldn't sell at the time like through the 90s and early 2000s So he like takes that starts bottling it brands it as a Pappy van Winkle thing Catches on with like chefs and celebrities and all this kind of stuff and then whiskey's ruined But anyway, I digress. Let's give this a shot All right. Yeah, I put I put a couple ice cubes in mine. Okay, I don't know if that is Yeah, I don't know if I have become unsinked ammonia's for you guys I don't even think I use the right term listen unlike you and golang. I don't judge It smells like my rage Hubba Bubba to me Wow, that is very specific

Yeah, he's like and we are talking about random old snack foods just hubba Bubba still bubble. It just exists. I've seen that It's bubble. It's just the one as I've purchased it for my kids 9000 times. Perfect. It's great Oh, this is great whiskey Last time I thought it was way too spicy for my you know for me. I'm a little bit You know, I'm not sure what the right term is so I'm pretty weak on the whiskey explanations But I know that there's definitely like a flavor range like when I drink a blattens It doesn't have that strong burn mm-hmm. Yeah, it's 90 proof So it's a little a little weaker than this would be and then I drink like some Japanese whiskies

And I have like a hard time finishing them and I think there's some there's something that's different I don't know how to qualify. I'm not sure if it's the pass amount or what they do or how they do it But there's some that I find very harder to drink and some I find much easier to drink and this one I could accidentally like say something bad because I could drink way too much of this and Perfect. All right. Oh Man, please tell me we're gonna get there. Uh, yeah I mean basically to broadly answer your statement essentially Many things are different. I feel like we sent you a ride last time or something else

So we would have a mash bill that includes mostly rhyme So best essentially it's gonna be a big part of it or the grains they put together to go ahead and create the the beer This one is we did so essentially means it's mostly corn, but includes wheat in the mash bill Makes it a little sweeter a little bit sweeter. So you've got corn and wheat both in there They're gonna kind of give you that sweetness. It does. I was about to say it reminds me of an onion. I wouldn't call this sweet I Wouldn't call an onion sweet But they say the sophisticated ham and pineapple pizza is Sausage and onion because the onion gives it that sweet the ham instead of ham instead of tearing up the pizza instead of the raw

Pulling you have a more break apartable sausage that is like the more sophisticated version of that and I feel like I feel I feel that which is that I feel the sweetness, but I wouldn't call it sweet Yeah, yeah, that's fair good explanation Yeah, and I agree on the pineapple pizza. I you know like my love pineapple pizza. No, I love it I think great. I will eat it if it's there. I'll eat it. I have no problems with it I'd like to add a little spice to it too to really kind of round out the umami there So puts the jalapenos or something on it. Yeah, that's perfect You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw something at you right now. It's gonna. It's gonna. It's gonna trip you up for a moment

But just stay with me, okay Start using serranos instead now. Here's the reason why is that a serranos low-heat index Mm-hmm is near-ish the midway to high point of a jalapeno and the high point is slightly above the high point of a jalapeno With a jalapeno either you have like green pepper spice right or you have like oh my gosh I'm going to die where as a serrano is just like near that more oh my gosh I'm gonna die, but then it's also lowered into like oh, this is pretty good, right? So it's like I feel like I get a consistent spice. I know how much to put on it. I don't overdo it I don't underdo it. I get it right every time I want to make a thing a guacamole

Once serrano's nights gives a little bite too if I want to feel a little adventurous, right? Like I know what I'm doing. I kind of kind of I can kind of walk through it. Yeah, that's a great pro tip I love that. Thank you. My next pineapple pizza will include that and Sausage non-ham. Ooh sausage is a good one. You know, but sausage and onions. It's a very different flavor, right? It's a different mode. It's you know, I feel like a pineapple and and Ham I'm out there. It's a fun pizza. I'm having fun. It's it's a more Expressive pizza. The flavors all kind of kick at each other versus kind of being together. Yes. Yes. I love this

All right, I'm going to bring you back to the whiskey though because you said you really like it and You may or may not remember the tentacle scale zero to eight because Engineers need zero-based so zero is inclusive. I mean even is inclusive to everything you want it to be or as little as you want it to be So meaning like we're going to separate this out probably into bourbons Maybe even we did bourbons and right against other ones like that I think you should consider it from just a drink ability standpoint like yeah, would you yeah? Like would you drink this on a regular basis, however frequently that is there's no judgment here and you know

If you were having a drink, would you just just pick this and not even think about it? Or would you maybe Survey a couple of options consider what you're eating and all that kind of stuff and then put it somewhere in the middle I don't know. There's a lot of ways you can go with it Well, I mean I have a take if I if I if I can go so on so I just want to make sure I can rate it either from zero to eight the classic Nine tentacle octopus Exactly. Yeah, well In a recent show because I had read this recently so octopi Regenerate and it's possible for them to regenerate more than one of a loss limb so there can be nine nice

Well, that's that's that's I didn't realize that. Okay, so this is this is a formal octopus rating. Okay, I get it all right I really like this one I Would most certainly drink it without hesitation and so I'm not sure where that falls on to that because again I do not have a sophisticated Whiskey or cigar palette. I've I've tried to work a little bit more on my cigar palette than my whiskey palette But I would say that this is a good one. I would put it somewhere in maybe the six to seven range Maybe maybe mid six would be a good place for me to be that's fair It's a good place to go with it. How are you feeling about this Robbie? Yeah, I feel kind of the same. I think um

the weller I have to get the names well and the antique one was a we did one right? Yeah, the one of seven yeah Yeah, it's got a maroon label. I think that one of seven proof was one of the best ones And I think it was a little better than this and I think it was like a seven so I'm gonna say yeah six or so Fair enough I'm gonna talk a little bit about flavor It's funny that you mentioned cigars just because when I smelled it I smelled a little bit of sweetness and a little bit of like I was almost gonna say like Leaf tobacco or something not necessarily like chew or something like that that you put but you know if you smell

News ago, I could actually pick up some of that in the scent and then I get I tend to get kind of a burnt sugar in its flavor Sweetness in that sense. I guess a nuanced sweetness I'd really like it. I think it's very good again. It's good that you brought that up probably the whole antique one of seven Which I used to have as one of my regular zippers especially when I could buy it for 30 to 35 dollars now It's 100 plus so its accessibility kind of makes it You know it annoys me about it to triple my price and give me the same product But so this one I'm enjoying I'm gonna give this one a seven. I enjoy it quite a bit as is

So it's really good neat. I could see maybe a couple of drops of water doing something for it for me I don't even remember how much it was but You know money's no object of course at this show. We're just rolling in it and Classic podcast. He's just so much podcast money. I mean Our listener sends us like a regular check and it's we appreciate it. Thank you listener Um, yeah solid seven for me. That's where I'm going with it with 10 out of 10 would have again Yeah, that reminds me of the one of the more recent shop talk show episodes They were like we've introduced a lifetime subscription for $38,000 just email me directly if you'd like to do it

Yeah That's one quick interruption did my did my windows alert go off. I stream I stream in video from windows. Did it go off? Did you hear it? I don't know. I would have been very obvious if you heard it. It's either a yes or no No, was that that okay? No, okay? Okay? I think okay because it was really loud. No. Yeah. No nothing very loud for me Okay, just want to make sure by the way just want to out myself now. I use windows for video Windows for video everybody because I have things that run on windows or mac and I don't like max Hmm This is a hot take. We're going riding the hot takes right now

So you would rather work on a windows computer for video. I know do you mean? So are you coding in videos? Okay Is there any other things just the one that you see you just have one activity? Yeah So one activity video and video games to be right because you've been kind of trapped there though, right? I mean, it's really hard to bring your playing windows pretty much or Xbox Yeah, so that's kind of like a bummer about the whole thing Yeah, it's essentially why I have a windows machine I mean officially for for testing purposes because you know, I'm a responsible Web developer who tests every one of his every system and browsers

Yeah, I just need a really strong video card for my browsers It's just that's just coincidental. Yeah, you just need a forward 80 Ti to render Twitter I mean, I get it. I'm right there with you. Mm-hmm exactly if they're not optimized and it really slows down performance if you don't have Specifically the Ti addition. Okay. Good to know good to know all upgrade. Yeah, put that on the on the expense So my first hot take then is Twitter or X? Uh, you know, honestly, I'm one of those people I Again, this probably gets to your earlier part about me having those takes about family and healthy life. I just don't care

Yeah, really I don't have time in my life to be upset about someone else's decision What I can I mean, I can still go to twitter.com Like it really actually doesn't even like stop me in any sense of my icon updated That was a little hard to get used to on the phone and like find it differently, but it just doesn't I don't know these I just have to have more in life to be upset about than someone's naming decision now like obviously if they would have named it No, actually, I don't think it besides for like some offensive name That I could have a murdering children calm hot sex now calm. I'd be like I can't open this ass. This is inappropriate

You know, like I couldn't do that now, you know But it's just like it's not available, right? It just doesn't bother me. So I know I literally have no opinions other than you I guess my opinion is you shouldn't have an opinion because it doesn't really affect you Yeah, and the and the sense is is that if you Dug into the CEO or owner of many companies that you probably freely give money to You probably wouldn't like what you found and you choose to be like blissfully ignorant about most people do And the only reason why people have this is because he's very, you know, outspoken on this platform

So yeah, you get a bit more of a direct line Uh, there was I mean like to be fair one of Google's executives had a over debt An overdose death charge Due to a prostitute on a yacht, right? So like you know, there's things you can be guilty of and I feel like cocaine and hookers is probably you know like that's pretty far up there And so you know like if you look into anybody Like the thing is is that we all morally think That we stand on some sort of high ground But not one of us has a billion dollars like that's the reality like the life you live as a billionaire is vastly different than the life you live

As just a normal person that's forced to go to work that has to do things There's this story. I happened to personally know someone named Greg Gianforte ran from Montana I knew him through a mutual friend and he became a billionaire because he sold his company to Oracle right now Technologies became Oracle and that's how he became a billionaire And he said the difference is is that he can no longer effectively make friends because once you go from a nobody to somebody Everybody's trying to get something from you so it's like sure I try not to judge too hard because I've never sat in that position

I'd like to think I'd be a moral upstanding great individual that continues to believe the things I believe now But the reality is I've just never walked that walk And it's hard to talk to people. Yeah, I think it's completely fair take because it's easy for to pass judgment in the position that you are right now I think this is a good time to take a quick you know momentary break and shout out to our sponsor Google Cloud provider Um No, just kidding you can edit out the previous part honestly. He's just kidding. Oh, he's just kidding. Oh, he's just kidding I was like, oh my goodness. I did it wrong. No, no, you're fine. You're fine. No, no

We would it we would have given you a good alley up on that. Um, sorry. Maybe Maybe you should take the next time. Oh my god. Robbie. Oh, yeah, everything went out of my brain when that happened But um Something that I thought was interesting that you had posted was that react is the new Java What does that mean exactly like Java means bad right or I would say that You have you ever seen the cartoon that draws all the programming languages and Java's like the buttoned up suit guy Sea sharps like the guy is still wearing pleated pants and all that you know like each one kind of has that side note

It kind of feels like react at this point is in this state where it's the industry standard But I don't feel like people are happy with it like I don't feel like people are excited about it They just it's you know like I made I accidentally made a meme About two months before react server components were announced where it's like a dev who just got done or like Celebrating react 19. I didn't realize they're on 17 going to 18 I thought they're already on 18 So I missed step to the numbering system But reacts to you know a dev celebrating react 19 and it was a lieutenant Dan from Forrest gump who has all the confetti on them, but looking really sad

It's just like that right you have an application If you are working at any company that was invented before yesterday You are working probably with classes still in react then you have some hooks mixed in you have some unsafe underscore component will update methods that you're doing that you don't call set state on because we all know it won't work Right like you just like there's like 9,000 things you're working on and that's the state of life It is the industry standard, but at the exact same time I don't see people like genuinely as excited about it unless if you can totally greenfield it

And you know greenfielding is not everyone most people don't work on greenfield projects Most people work on react from four years go five years go six years ago Yeah, I think that's true within framework though like people aren't excited about a nap that's five years old Because there's a lot of tech debt and stuff you have to fix in there and Like it's not as fun as building a new thing and like I don't even know what people use these days, but you know That's just the rate of like front end development where like All of these things are like 10 years or less old to begin with and Shiny new things always happening because they're inventing it on the fly and

You know, this will this will kind of go into a question I think we we can talk about later, which is just about like what is a web application? Well, what is the baseline that we need for a web application these days, you know, do we need All of this logic in a browser anymore and if we do What does that look like maybe there's a like fresh take there, but oh, I have a lot of takes on that don't worry I'm storing them up. Okay, fair enough So on the heels of things like that What do you think about everyone ripping? TypeScript out of their code bases? Well, that's that's an overstatement There's really only two major things that have ripped TypeScript out of their application and they did so in very different ways

I've caught a lot of flak on this one Despite I think I got grouped in with other people. I actually agreed with them ripping out TypeScript So hey, don't shoot the messenger, but you know, like I agreed with them. Actually, I'm not the messenger I am the I am the relevant or whatever they call it the revelator. I am the person saying these things so first off it was sfelt And dhh or the big the big ones sfelt ripped out TypeScript, but replaced it with JS doc I really don't think that that's a bad plan one thing that really worries me just in general about TypeScript is that you can become Clever by half like two clever by half so easily with TypeScript once you're in generics using these custom methods

Reducing things down making a key specific you're getting so intense and you have to ask yourself What are you really winning because the moment you change either side of your application Whether the logic to your types or the logic to your application Which by the way should be a red flag when you have two trains of logic running to do something That you have to change the other side. They're tightly coupled to each other and that obviously makes sense They have to be tightly coupled to each other because they are literally a representation of each other and two different You know two different languages if you will and so it's like I get that

JS doc kind of forces you to be more simple You're okay. Maybe with not all of the auto complete you theoretically could have But you have enough to be able to not shoot yourself in the foot ever to me That's like a really good tradeoff now the reason why I disagreed with dhh and on his move is not that he said hey TypeScript's bad But you know some typing could be good it can save you from a lot of simple problems Not that you can really force types on JavaScript if someone hands you a number and you thought it was a string And it just wasn't a part of your system You're gonna get that so in some sense he is more correct

Saying typeless is better because you are forced to handle those cases always But at the end of the day he provided no types which I also think is equally probably not in the right direction Though I can respect his decision On that thing and I think it's probably the right way He also gets the unfair shake because people either love him And will defend him or hate him and we'll just say whatever they can against him and I don't think either Are technically correct So there you go. I'm giving you the more this is the so these are the takes you get not on twitter This is the take you get on the live stream and stuff like that where I'll try to walk through my thought process on these things

Because on twitter you got 280 characters really you only have about 40 to 50 characters if you want to make a tweet work Yeah, and you can't say all this in a single tweet right? So this is this is why it's great to like bring it up here talk about it over a little bit of whiskey and like Not make such a big damn deal because People can conflate the context of words in a lot of different ways Yeah, I mean DHH is another one where I have a lot of indifference to he's had success So I don't know I used base camp a few different times in previous positions seems fine works for different people Bottom a few race cars good for you

Yeah, I mean awesome you got a race car. Yeah, I think ultimately at the end of the day that project even as open source As he said has been fully funded by his company Predominantly used by his company and the direction given by his company So if folks in open source don't like the direction that it's going Given you know the trade-off with the benefit they may or may not get then you know move on to the next thing Fair fair take I'm gonna I'm gonna challenge you to touch on that one though, which is that When people start relying on you as some sort of open source provider You do still have some level of obligation, you know

I generally say explicitly that I don't call myself open source on any of my projects including my dot files I have a bunch of scripts people use tmux session eyes. There's probably the most popular one of all mine And I just say it's public source and there's a difference I make all the decisions you can use what you want But I have no obligation to make you happy I'm not gonna try to make you happy and this is just for me Sorry, that's just the way it's going to be because I can't and so If the thing he was developing was public source in that kind of sense Then that makes sense But if it was open source where people were contributing to making it part of theirs and all that and then you get the 180 on them

I could feel a bit betrayed by that You you can I mean in general open sources of gentleman's agreement or a People's agreement to be you know more correct and Unfortunately or fortunately at any point they can kind of change their mind on that to a degree You know you like Hashee core cherry changing things around terraform trying to because you know They're a for-profit company who have this open source product and then they shifted that they shifted the agreement To their own betterment or to try to basically, you know counteract other companies profiting off of their What you're thinking and you're intent when you start an open source project and where your mind is there and years down the line

Especially if the company is backing that Unfortunately like it or not that's kind I think that's a degree of capitalism that people don't have to like Absolutely not is it right probably not it's not morally correct Is it still going to happen from time to time? Absolutely Someone's going to rage off faker js and ruin a bunch of stuff or Just these things are going to happen hopefully they're a few and far between but I think to expect that These individuals have an obligation to you for all of life is Kind of a problem in open source to begin with because this is a bunch of free work right at the end of the day

It's a bunch of free work that many people benefit from I mean we talked to max and T T dot xyz his thing where he's trying to like you know kind of put in a system that Will reward open source contributors open source you know leaders I don't know. I don't know if that's the right answer or if there is a right answer at any point but You know, I think there's always going to be like a point of contention it at some juncture because of money It's always because of money Yeah, well, I mean whether you like it or not It's always because of money the thing is his money may change the the definition of money may change like you could have met

You know like they always try to have this futuristic society where there's no such thing as money It's just as replaced with something else because now you have the notoriety right you just have office politics Except for everywhere and so that's like the next version of money and so it's like when people do these things Something is something is always going to challenge it and there's no way to make it so that they're going to love what you do That's why I'm not necessarily against what happened when it came to what what DHH did because You know, it should be in their purview it is a company paying to do that

It's not like the deleted previous versions I really don't like that they left their users kind of in the dust on that Feels I feel bad for them on that, but someone can also create a types, you know a definitely typed Types slash whatever the library was named and now someone just provided the DTS file and now it works again with types Yeah, totally Yeah, there's that there's forking there's thunder at your house. Yeah, sorry. That was thunder if you're wondering It was not a train wreck. It was just a standard thunder That's good thunder's great So I do want to preface one thing if you're looking for super hot takes

I probably have some of the least hot takes of people. I genuinely think I have fairly mild takes I'm glad to keep answering these, but I try I jet I really do try Despite my Twitter see things from both sides. Yeah, it's and it's really I do believe you're genuine I think you're genuine. I think that that is probably what resonates there But the funny it's funny that you say that because I feel like something you've said on tech twitter Probably is behind at least what 40% or so of our hot takes that we ask you and ask all the Fair fair fair, right? Well, you're you're driving force there like it or not. Yeah, yeah

People can take things in whatever context they want whether it was meant to be hot or not But yeah, let's let's talk a little bit about milk. Yeah, how do you feel about milk these days? Okay, so I've recently quit milk so let me let so first I gotta I gotta do the full Can I give you like the full story of this? Sure. Yeah Yeah, you won the internet on milk, so I can't wait to hear where it goes You know, I actually both one end lost the internet wait till you hear I guess you didn't hear the conclusion to this epic story So it started off with Melky dev I always call him the milk man just because you know his name literally just sounds like milk

Yeah, whatever right and so him being goofy he grabbed a gallon of milk and drank it on stream He's like out of the milk man, right? Funny, right? Well, oh good if you haven't followed the count of Warren buffering You're really missing out Warren buffering is like one of the fun I know yeah, you never know what you're gonna get out of here. He's very very funny So he like just sought and then took a picture of him drinking out of a gallon of milk So then I see that I go sit out in my field and drink out of a gallon of milk with the horses behind me So then it's just like a proceeding of who can make the most outrageous things well

Warren buffering happens to live with me in South Dakota So I was like hey my father-in-law has a boat Let's go on the boat. Let's wake surf and I will feed you milk Right, and so I went behind him grabbed him and fed him milk on the wake surf. We were both wake surfing at the same time There's one detail I need to add there is that you were in the hoodie with the headphones I was in the hoodie with the headphones still odd. Yeah, that was part of the joke is I never leave the I never leave the the the hoodie and the headphones Which I'm currently in right now and so It was a good joke. I thought it was genuinely great. Well right after that a

Someone that's going for the rust moderation team He tweets out that it's a well-known fact that drinking milk is a sign of white supremacy Links some article from 2018. I know you guys both look surprised. It turns out drinking milk from the gallon Is a sign of white supremacy now. I literally have never met somebody that actually knew this I didn't even know this was a thing and so things like but that's like the whole game is that when you can easily deny it That's why it's a dog whistle So it's like your double trap like I can't say either like if I say it deny it See dog whistle. I'm like damn it. Oh my I got racism from drinking milk on the wake surf

Like I just didn't see this one coming. How is this possible? All right And so yes, I got that one and it kind of just like I really was trying to make tech twitter just a more fun place because it's always arguments It's always belittling and like even in our best effort Which got all the way up to riding surfboards I thought someone might try to do it skydiving I genuinely thought there was gonna be one dev that tried at skydiving because that's like the next thing right But no it didn't get there It just kind of got squashed and then everyone kind of got sad about it and it just kind of it just kind of ruined the fun

And my only take on obviously white supremacy is that it's just it's just sad right They're just bunch of losers in their mom's basement, you know I'm not gonna be affected by them. That's why I don't know about it That's I don't even read up on that crap. I don't have time for that crap because I got kids and shit to do So it's like yeah, that sucks whatever. Well, well are your kids white supremacists because my kids have white supremacy drink Well, at least before Mornings a week. They just many many times. No, no they they obviously they drink a lot of milk But they love milk So I actually quit milk not because of that

Because I've been just trying to lower my sugar intake pretty regularly So I've decided that I'm gonna start drinking less milk because I used to put it in my coffee a bunch So to avoid getting as much sugar. I just cut milk out almost entirely They basically what is it for especially for males? I think past the age of 25 or so when your bones have solidified more like milk isn't really that beneficial in the same ways that would be for bone density And what not prior to plus you can get calcium at a bunch of like green vegetables and stuff Sure, sure, but it's it's the emotional part okay, but you don't need to ever eat a donut

There's nothing good about it, but you know what? I love donuts. Okay. I love voodoo donuts I want that Homer Simpson donut all day every day But I don't eat it all day every day because I've self control the higher will versus the lower will Okay, I listen to the higher will here, but nonetheless That's my that's why I don't do it is just simply that I want to Just always kind of take out the take the easy wins I may love milk in coffee. I think it just tastes the best really coffee is just a delivery system for more milk but easy W Reduce sugar increase just overall health easy win Yeah, fair enough

Sorry, Jesus is upset outside. I nobody knows what's happening. I wish this is loud Did we just give him best friends because I was just about to say that I was like Jesus What's your favorite dinosaur? All right Oh, geez. Yeah, step step brothers. Yeah, I got it I want one more hot take though because everybody's talking about bun bun bun bun Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm kind of I'm I'm currently in trouble right now on tech Twitter Because of my YouTube video today so oh, I gotta go watch that after I was yeah stuck in thing I couldn't do research to date also I'm being purely called out by node jazz right now. Okay. Yeah, I was gonna say there it is bun or

node v20 because node continues to innovate and upgrade I'm gonna read you my My current like intro to this video. I'm thinking about on bun. Okay, it goes or it goes a little something like this It's a Friday afternoon and you write your first line of code for your startup Which was a configuration for typescript webpack ESLint pretty or pretty or inside of ESLint I'm cutting it kind of short right and finally after many hours of sadness and Jason configuration and questions to chat GPT where Sheila reminds you that she hasn't updated her training since 2001 But we all know she's a liar and she's been updating it right now Sky that's upon us

You know then in walks the hottest the newest the likely buggyest production ready 1.0 Runs JavaScript directly bundles your code makes it production worthy drop-in replacement for node and is blazingly fast Bun obviously there's a joke in there likely the buggyest the thing about bun is that I really like it. It's just not 1.0 It's just straight up not 1.0 I used it. I have a performance application that goes through a series of improvements to see like how it makes it better and bun off the rip Dominated node right just completely dominated their ability their their their callback mechanism for process tick is just

Way way better their their interaction with the runtime for set time out is way way better their promise handling Way way better But if you set time out with a time of zero and you do that in a loop you'll starve the thread It does not happen in any other JavaScript because it's just not feature complete It's not JavaScript yet and that's the big problem is that bun Is just not 1.0 and so I think this is where people get all upset and they're like, you know the problem venture capitalism Probably correct on this one Bun's not 1.0 but they've gone 1.0 and so I agree with that take that you know

Money's probably the reason why they went 1.0 at this point. They're just not ready for it Do I think bun has a great future? I think JavaScript core has been claiming they're faster than V8 for a long time It actually could very well be true Perhaps ditching 20 years or 15 years or I forgot when when did know JS come out 2008 2009 But like they've had 15 years of legacy no matter what you think 15 years of legacy is just simply gonna have things that aren't as good right they're gonna There's some parts that just won't be as well written or there's better like cis calls right few text maybe becomes available

On Linux before it wasn't available. It's like a better way to do mutex types of bottom blah blah blah It's like those things couldn't you know, maybe you just don't have them yet and because rust didn't even have them until just like a year and a half Although that's why you used a parking lot for mutex as opposed to using rust standards mutex And so there's a real reason why these things happen why legacy can be expensive It's just simply the world moves on and so I do not fall node for that at all I like the performance. I like what it's offering. I like that about fun But here's where the real kicker happened

I took my big project I wrote a I still use webpack because webpack is honestly the easiest one to get started with chat GPT I go here's my entry. I want a single file out. I want uglify this this and this make it happen boom It fits me on a config put it in makes it happen fantastic Fight I still struggle with both pronouncing it the correct way and actually having the library version of it French people across the world are like I know you got you need to pronounce it with it's endordinated. I'm a friend It's a beat that is like a Italian by the way that's Italian at best right there Now you make an enemy is all across you. I'm a pill Charles

I just said my name is Charles just so you know. Yeah, no, I I'm going to France next week and I took like six years of French anyway Okay, okay, then you should be more ashamed of your friend's accent. You should do Oh See set all right anyway Have another Charles So performance is a good thing. I think we can all agree performance is a good thing It's the other promises that I want to see bun fulfill which is have you ever had a project you're using Everything's going great and all of a sudden you include another dependency and your build stops working And it says hey you didn't type module so you put type module and then your build keeps failing and says hey

You can't do this because you have type module and you're like what happened? You're using bite bite supposed to like take care of all these things yet somehow you can't do anything because either it fails If you do or fails if you don't so therefore it doesn't work and so it's like That sucks that sucks a lot especially since it's literally Just an import export like you could totally solve this It's like 30 lines of coaches solve the thing that's all you need to do and yet it's not solved And so when bun came around and said hey, you know what we're gonna make ES6 Common JS whatever you're doing we're gonna make it work and that's that and guess what the same tool

You used to install your dependencies is the same tool you're gonna use to bundle Which is the same tool you're going to minify with and it's the same tool that you can just raw dog run typescript And it will effectively feel instant that's fun to me That was the 10 times bigger selling point is not the performance But the fact that from the very first time you've ever written a line of code to the person that's seen some shit in the field They're all going to appreciate that as a selling point because guess what guess what cargo does the same thing Guess what go does the same thing It just caught up to modern development for the first time ever in a real way

And so I love that because fight is not modern development It's it's still yet another tool and it's still yet doesn't necessarily always play nice There are edge cases Buns the first real one and so that's why I'm excited about bun I'm not excited because it's really a year off before it's actually ready for any sort of real adoption Hot take coming in hot I think that's the risk too right like you're you're coming in and you're saying you have all these things and it's dropping ready And you know is a one-to-one replacement for node and you know, I think that there's I'm sure that there are instances where that's true

And Jared has been very responsive. I mean to his credit He's been like tell us we're gonna fix these things. He's basically saying we want to get to one I'm releasing this start using it and we're gonna just go nuts and fix this and man never sleeps So I'm sure you will fix everything you let him know it doesn't have furniture. He can't sleep Yeah, but the but yeah, the risks there are how many folks are gonna hit walls not tell him not reach out or in Circumstances where they can't afford to go down that path together with them and then he's lost them Right, so at that point it's gonna let's go back to what works

I got to ship features. I've got to fix stuff for users. I have users. I got to keep moving forward You know, so that I think that's the risk I turn myself down so I may have I I'm gonna turn I'm gonna mute myself. So am I Good volume am I peaking or anything? Are we looking good? Sorry? Yeah, you're looking good. I keep getting a bunch of thunder So I'm gonna just start turning my you can't see that I'm turning Yeah, just lose you here in there. I'm not bothered by the thunder to be honest Whatever happens happens free recording. I want a nice recording. Okay. I'm concerned about it Because you're gonna really pump this episode right and like it comes out and you're gonna be like everybody listen to this

I had so much to say here ignore those other guys there dumb but they you know, yeah exactly. I kept getting interrupted by God Don't worry. I'm not foolish enough to actually believe that but Yeah, you're imaginary friend up in the sky, but he loves you. I love that George Carlin. So anyway I know George Carlin. He's sorry. He was like I just wasn't generation X I always thought I was should be generation X. I'm just not generation X I feel like I just don't got the George Carlin. It could be I was born in 77. So I am Gen X. Yeah, I'm in the heat of it So you aren't you were the thick of Gen X

Listen, I've also cut out some sugar and calories and other things. So not as thick. I need to do that like that But I have not because you know, bun is so hot. I'm gonna get some bowel buns for dinner. So those are Those are delicious. Yeah Oh, but yeah, I have this problem with like I was trying to update to astro 3 Or I guess even an astro 2 is just an astro issue that is just not gonna be fixed because they use the and like if you run dev mode It works and then if you run build it doesn't and I'm like Why is that ever a thing? They should run on the same thing and you should not be able to have a successful app in dev mode

And then have it blow up when you try to deploy it. That just sounds stupid to me It's because standards are hard and multiple standards are harder. Yeah That's such an amazing one. Oh, hey, thank you. Oh, look at that. I'm sorry. This is not a mad. Hey brought to you by Google I got my new I dude. I my phone is so effed up. I know that the people I don't even know if this is a video podcast or just an audio one. It is there's we publish video Look at that beautiful beautiful line down the center of my phone. Oh wow. It's gonna focus. Look at that. There you go It's just like one gigantic line

It is very difficult. I've had it for two months. Oh, and I find literally all I have to do is call a place and go I need a new phone and they go like this. Well, you know, it's been a Until you and I go no, I work for Netflix. I need my phone right now and they go. Oh, yes, you do you already got the green flag Okay, here you go. All I had to do is do that and for three months Instantly improve your phone was not on the top of my to-do list And so I finally did it and here we go. I'm so excited That's good. I'm glad it's bringing you joy Marie Kondo would would uh would approve of that move But yeah, it's just not a phone usage is not a priority in your life. You're usually on much larger screen

So I believe that the computers are much better. I you know a part of I get anxiety using the phone I truly do if something about it is just I don't know what it is It's just feel I get I get anxious scrolling is anxious filling I don't do scrolling on my computer the same way because you know your mouse isn't as convenient It kind of just makes you go. I don't want to do this. Yeah, plus there's other stuff to do on your computer I mean back to social media Has only proven myself right I like rage quit social media like five or six years ago and came back mostly to Twitter Because reasons you know

Interacting creating like connections for the podcast and you know all of that kind of stuff So it's just like felt necessary But I do find myself regressing back into that whole like let's go on there. Oh couple of messages Oh, what's going on scroll scroll scroll hour later what the um it works the algorithm works It does That's one thing where you know if you'll notice that I don't reply to a lot of Twitter anymore And I'm trying to just peel myself back is that I just Want to say things that are on the top of my head at that moment and nothing else And if it doesn't work and no one wants to listen to me that's fine if it does work

Also pretty neat But that's kind of been my like strategy for the last little bit And I am finding myself slowly ramping down on Twitter usage just because it is it's you know Like it's good to go look on there like I do try to go on there twice a day and just look to understand New new news articles what are people thinking about what's happening and sometimes I use them in videos Sometimes I just read them sometimes I watch the videos It's just like I want to know what is like the most interesting thing at the time But I do want to say that I don't know why other people use it like I literally do this for part of my living

I I go on Twitter and I make statements about things or I go on YouTube and make statements about things I go live streams and make statements about things you know like a big tech live stream is like a hundred people This last stream today. I just did today. I got 2700 people watching me make statements about things So I know I have to be super careful about it and I have to be up to date and so I'm like trying to make Some sort of reasoning why I have to do research to it and so I genuinely don't understand why you'd want to use Twitter outside of Being someone who creates and so I am confused about that side

Well, I'm gonna make three statements one is that you should be happy that folks Use it for other reasons because they're consuming your statements So fair because of that, but I still don't get it, but fair right and then Another one is I'm on there and get kind of for similar reasons, but not exactly But again to get like some context and sentiment and and fuel for the fire in some ways I do envy that you just go drop a statement and go with it because both Robbie and my wife Do not want me to do those things They're like that's in your head keep it there And then for me, I'm a massive soccer fan

So there's at least a few times a year minimally that I need to be on there to get the gossip of what's going on And who's gonna play for what team and all that kind of crazy stuff So that's more of like a it fuels information for my hobby that in no way Benefits me or my family financially. Unfortunately. I haven't worked that out yet, but maybe okay I guess I get that a little bit better Maybe you know, maybe I was a little rash on that I guess if you are really wanting to understand job descriptor and just trying to Steep yourself in it. It's a great place to go or go or oh camel or whatever

You can see what people are doing and you wouldn't even know about bun if you weren't on there Right, and so maybe there is some value to it. Okay. I retract my statement. Maybe I get it a little bit more But as a user, I just get anxious like maybe I'm just not meant for it Which is interesting to me because having watched your videos and like how much is happening simultaneously That you are really dialed into also which is like crazy to me because like your live coding there's there's stream You know, there's live comments happening you obviously have like what you want to talk about top of mine too

I'm just and it's probably this I'm not able to multitask to that degree And so you've got your music going you've got that going behind you You've got your stream of comments here, and it's just like blah blah blah blah It's almost like a DJ in a way. It's like a code DJ And you're just dialed into all these inputs Um, so I don't know. I don't know where I was going with that But I just felt like there was a connection there. I would have followed up with the reason why I think that works out is that Have you ever played a musical instrument? Not well. Okay, probably because he can Okay, have you ever tried to sing while playing your musical instrument?

Yeah He's shaking his head. Yes, okay Robbie, thank you for the outstanding and very resounding. Yes. Uh, so you'll notice when you first start out doing it It's like it's like you're competing against yourself But then after some amount of time it becomes very natural It's almost like you have two tracks in your brain and your musical instrument the more you know it the deeper it becomes The easier it is to do it like it's almost like on a lizard brain side, right? You're just solving these things. You kind of know what you want to do You know where you want to go. You know what you have to play

It's lizard brain side and then you have the singing which is like another part of your brain Which is like you're listening side or something like that I'm not really sure how to describe it other than that And so when it comes to chat and stuff I'm reading chat while programming because I already oh Robbie just he literally got up and left He's like that. He can hear you He's got white eyes like what I'm hearing right now. Oh my dogs are barking. I was closing the door Okay, and so it's like when I you know when people say how do you do that? Oh, I just heard a dog now But when people say how do you do that?

It's the same thing. It's just that I've programmed for When I was first starting out from sophomore College year all the way up until about 2016 I was programming like 80 hours a week So it's like I did a lot like I've done it so much. It just feels so second nature when I hear a problem I can just see the general steps I need to take and I just start Just running right it may not be the best program But it's gonna get me from A to B and it's gonna be Okay, extensible. I usually don't try to build things to be extensible I think that's always been a lie of our industry And so I just build it to be okay

And that's my only goal and I've gotten pretty good at that one shot I've been I could write good enough code for this kind of Mentality and so I've just done it for so long that now talking with chat It's like I'm singing like I'm playing my instrument. I have my path. I know what I need to do I know I'm about to do myself a little minor seven So we already know what's gonna be coming up So I'm gonna be jumping on over to like you know, so it's like I'm already kind of in in the space And so now it's just simply me talking while doing it and it's just like a trained skill It's like any other skill you get. It's just a trained skill

Yeah, I mean, I think you probably have a more trainable brain than I do I was Trying to learn like so Chuck and I both bought like the split keyboard like the same one you have I think and like I'm like 360 but he's fucking thing prime 360. Yeah, it's the best keyboard in the market So I used it for like a couple days and I was like I mean, I like that my wrists don't hurt But I'm so slow. I can't like get work done So I had to like go back to another keyboard to get work done in time and like I guess I need to spend more time outside of work Messing with it or something, but like it's like how long did it take you to to get used to it

Okay, so this is gonna sound completely arrogant and mean It took approximately zero seconds to get used to it. Okay, so I am a fairly good typer I you know even in my old age 37. I'm still typing Show you mouth young and plus hundred words per minute So that's pretty fast and that's on a kinesis with pinks by the way. These are pink. So they're kind of heavier You know, they have that side they're very thunky very heavy and so it's like I can type pretty fast And so when I jumped onto this it was pretty natural the thumb It's a little strange at first, but you know when you force yourself to do something

Jay's when you force yourself to do something for 60 hours in a week. You're gonna get good at it right Just force yourself to do it and so after 120 hours everything felt completely normal Except for one thing which was the difference between I used a vorac by the way and not only do I use Devorac you can go on my github and you can see a custom Devorac that's designed for a laptop And I moved it over to the kinesis so v and forward slash are right next to each other and I kept hitting v and forward slash Kind of like on accident and so if you're on a standard querity that would be This side this this style greater than or less than sign whatever that that would be the greater than sign and the open squirly brace

So like I kept mixing up those two keys and that was the only one I ever struggled with and then of course thumb clusters Just being a whole new thing right if you've never used a thumb cluster It's the first time using it space and enter felt a little like I felt slow But you know, I kind of gained speed now it feels great And so I just never like all the typing felt completely normal and it was just a matter of the fact that I just I just use it all the time You know, I've been typing since I was like seven years old eight years old Yeah, I think I've been typing over a hundred words per minute since I've been nine

Well, I invented the typewriter, so You're old you're like do you know the dinosaur right do you know the dinosaur you go while there you go just keep at it I think Time and patience and just dedication and practice and that's probably been a theme robby. Do you play the guitar? Do you know a major six? No, I'm not super trained in it. I just I know like basic chords Okay, go look up a major six kind of like in your your your your your first position You know, like kind of like your e position. Whatever they call it. There you go your e position Major six you have to put your first chord two strings down on your d you have to go one one fret back

Then you have to do like this like it's just like the weirdest kind of positioning where all four fingers are engaged When you first do it it feels completely strange But once you get done learning that little major six also then gets a lot easier and then it becomes pretty normal And so it's that's how I feel about a keyboard It's just like it's just a new key you already have all the muscle memory and talent available You just got to kind of form it into the new thing and you're like oh, yeah, okay. Okay. Yeah, now feels normal again Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me was like I kept reaching for backspace and it was not there

So That was like the weirdest one. I was fine with Pretty much everything else except for that the shape was a little weird because I'm used to a flat keyboard, but Yeah, but you don't get that you don't get the twist right that's where all the damage happens is pressure and a twist Because if you know your physics right hand rule boom torque vector coming out your wrist You don't want all those things. Yeah, so it's just like prevents a lot of that from happening You just listen to what what is it fat stomino Me know you can do you can do the twist Oh, you know that song. Let's do the twist. I think that was fat stomino

I don't know You don't know that song. I know the song 50. I know the song. I don't know who did it I'm trying to think are you saying that when you just did that little singing it doesn't really feel like it was the right Anything so now I feel like I don't know it. Yeah, I don't know any of these other words. I'm seeing the one where he's trying to convince the girl The dance he's like come on. I can do the twist Yeah, yeah, that's it. Okay. Okay. I'm just not a good singer. No neither mine. That's why I didn't sing it. Okay Just letting you know, I just don't say. Yeah, there's this little personal thing you know there are things

There are limits that so there's that that's fair enough. I feel like I don't know if we talked about this before But if you were not in tech we stripped away at career and technology What would you do? Are you ready for my bizarre answer? Yes Have you ever read the introduction to the problem of pain by CS Lewis? No, obviously familiar with the author, but I mean everyone has heard of the line the witch in the wardrobe Narnie, of course, I know through the looking glass I've gone a little deeper in the catalog, but yeah, not that one Okay, so in the problem of pain he he kind of defines this this this term impossible

The problem is is we don't really think about that word impossible and and impossible is not Just a word that means something that can't be done. It actually comes with a pre-inserted unless So he goes like this if I've broken my leg and I'm sitting in the house and I would like to see the beach for my house I cannot go see the beach. It's impossible for me to see the beach unless I have some friends come and help me Go and see the beach for my balcony Then he says well, what happened if your friend asks well if time and space were Available so that you could see around corners Then you could see the beach from here and then he says in retort

I don't know if time and space could ever be in such a way It is impossible for me to even think about that because the impossibility is built in of itself It is an impossible question to answer in the sense that it's called the intrinsically impossible There is no unless clause right like a classic example of an intrinsically impossible question is if god We're all powerful he could create a rock that's so big that he himself could not lift Right, it's impossible in of itself because it suggests all powerful and a power in which can stop it It doesn't make sense Nonsense is still nonsense even if you're talking about god and so

With that Pre-set into this what would I be doing if I didn't have programming? I actually cannot answer that question because it is an intrinsic impossibility I've only lived one life in one timeline I can't tell you who or what I would have been without that It's been such a huge part of me from the very beginning pretty much that I can't remember to I remember when I've being five years old Trying to install the doom extension to get a extra hundred levels trying to figure out how to make it work on windows 3.1 and not being able to figure it out all that kind of stuff. It's like That's like that's all I can remember you know

Never been without it. So do you think you'll ever be without it? There you go. There's a follow-up question Absolutely retirement Well, there's retirement in the sense that there's forced retirement There will come a point whether it's tomorrow if I get in a car wreck and can no longer use my upper body or Sometime in the future when I'm just too old to use my body Then yeah, there's there will come a point where something in me will be too damaged to be able to do stuff or There's a life track in which I'm too bored to do it and so you know like it just no longer does it It just makes me feel empty and you know

I think the reality is it's much more likely that I quit Social stuff long before I ever quit programming because you know like just like this whole note thing that I mentioned up Where there's there's a maintainer of note that he was very upset at me at the end of the day no matter what I Will get sick of this. I won't want to do it I know it's equally a drain on me as anyone else and so there comes a point where I want to do it And so I can foresee that in the near future much closer than anything else because it is just like open source No matter how many people like you there's a bunch of aunties as well

And it just won't work out you can say nice things They'll be considered mean you can say mean things and people will cheer you on It's like it's it's not a very healthy thing And so I see that as an ultimate future where no matter what I will be done with all these things When and how it will happen I don't know yet. I don't try to predict the future too hard. I just know it comes I think you'll be missed when the mic drops Mike ultimately will drop Yeah, there you go. I tried to give it the the The most complete answer I could give that's better than farming You know, which was what I think people would have guessed I literally have a bunch of right

I'm up to like 25 raspberry plants keep going to keep growing gonna get like I want to get up to like 20 blueberries 20 raspberries 20 blackberries and a bunch of strawberries I'm reclaiming more and more of my land that I live on for that one purpose I was gonna say there's something that that's much more natural probably more healthy for the human condition to touch Touch grass than it is to touch computer. I get that It ain't easy. That's all there is to it. It's hard and eventually you just can't do it anymore You have to work through pain tiredness hotness all that. I really had just I just what you don't know how much

I had to stop myself from saying pimping also ain't easy It ain't it's the fact we've been told this many times Yeah, but then like beyond that. I know I just you know jokes cover the pain. Robbie. We just let me have it At some point this is why you don't get a tweet on your own This is why I'm sorry Now you understand where where those who maybe care about me are coming from at some point though Dry ice and a address in Phoenix. I don't I just docks myself Maybe we'll be in my future who knows I want some fresh raspberries I could just come to South Dakota. I guess you could golden raspberries next year. They're all dead now

It's you know, it's it's into the mid-September everything's kind of dying But you know, yeah, what are you using for do you like can them or make jams or Eating just eating them. Okay straight up. Yeah this morning. I walked out grabbed a six or seven of kind of like the remaining last holdouts Put them on my peanut butter and banana toast Nice. Put a few of them on there. Yeah, nice. It's delicious as intended in their natural state. I love it. Yeah All right, we are at time here. Is there anything you want to plug or anything you want to mention before we end? You said you had other things you wanted to talk to me about we never got to them

Right like actual spicy stuff the the takes that are actually spicy that I'm more willing to get cancelled over than anything else Oh, okay. Well, I mean that I have been told don't talk to you about that's fine We can go there, but Robbie. I'm gonna give Robbie a little bit of the floor before I Ruined everything. Well, I just want to say you guys told me you're gonna talk to me about like My takes on family and other things like yeah, yeah the moral compass like essentially being a moral compass in tech and You know are you are you letting let in the tiger go that's what's going anyway? No, I just totally ended this part out too if you just feel like it's not gonna work

But I'm I'm willing to be honest and I'm willing to get cancelled right here I feel like you've leaned a lot into like how bad porn is on the internet Which I think to a degree kind of fuels a lot of money throughout the internet and gives people pseudo anonymity until Data breaches happen and whatever else So I was just gonna bring up some things around porn I think you even made a funny comment that would have like been my lead in and then I just didn't so I think just It's interesting that you take a stance a strong stance that could be Controversial on a few different things and I think porn is probably one of the biggest ones

To be honest like porn does terrible things to people like you can go talk about how fake sweeteners can cause generational anxiety and people will be like oh, that's an interesting take and they'll move on with their lives It's interesting because I think some people think that porn is a healthy outlet To a degree and something they can share with their partner And you are like no absolutely it just provides nothing it provides like Probably like a falsehood of expectation. I think it's probably what like one of your biggest arguments That would be one of my biggest arguments correct Would you like me to expound would you like me to expound upon all that stuff?

I would like you to extra pound Expound that Damn going in with the porn references already all right, so So first off There's a lot of things here. I think one of the hardest parts is that you have to have like a moral reasoning for this Because if I just say porn's bad you you're gonna ask why why is it bad right we live in a day We kind of live in the cynical Pontius pilot day and what I mean by that is you know when Jesus was there He said something along the lines of I am truth and then Pontius pilot says what is truth right? We that's pretty much our day if you could sum up our day and age. It's Pontius pilot. What is true? You say that why?

Right, there's not really we'd kind of let go of all previous standards of any kind and just say okay Today is the day in which this is how the world ran is modernity Maderny is the truth version of the world and that's kind of what we're gonna run with and so for better for worse I think there's some things that are really great about it And I think there's some things that are really harmful about it And I think that sex positive work the pornography thing those aren't things that are very good about it And what I mean by that is that as per the creator the latest stats I've heard from From some organizations is that most porn is created

With sex slavery that's not good right so from a peer just objective standpoint I think everyone can agree that's not good. That's not a positive Perspective on anything You know, we live in a day in a world where we we are told we shouldn't objectify women, right? You know people that go up to women in in their workforce and send them kind of like a pretty grotesque or really inappropriate email You look at that and you go man, that's not cool But where or why do they think that that's okay at what point has anyone ever said that that was okay When you inundate especially I mean men just tend to be that the primary target of pornography

When you inundate you know men with that they don't have a compass To know where the boundaries at how to even date somebody because it's just like you know what the thing is The nurse comes in and takes your temperature your pressure and whoa that's not the only thing under pressure Right like you have no you like have no way of even knowing how to talk To a girl and there's just all these young guys that's sure they just they they're genuinely struggling with it A reptile dysfunctions the highest it's ever been among young men We're not talking in like one percent. We're talking in several percent

Which is just crazy to think about when I was a young guy I couldn't stop having a boner I thought I had to go visit a doctor several times a week because it lasted longer than four hours right like that And then the nurse came in and it was taking care of You know it's so Okay, I I do have a few and I want to play devil's advocate play it all a little bit Mostly because I used to be a porn star, but no, I'm just kidding Uh classic really when you think about it. I know but my wife could say otherwise um So yeah, I think that there's a few different points there I think that When you talk about like the whole oh, I think I can come into the workplace and I have you know

I had I just know hold bar that I can sexually harass or I can um many other things I don't know that Sexualization is the limit on that. I think that like This everything available all the time culture allows white supremacist to feel like they can awaken and outwardly put their views forth or You know, I think there's a number of subject matters that that applies to I obviously any kind of slavery Sexual slavery child kind of abuse all those those things where there is a decent amount of porn creative And and like of the other subject matter like that's all terrible that aside Yeah, we don't regulate that's terrible. No, right, but if you but if you were in a circumstance where it was like regulated

Like it is in the Netherlands right like you have this very Specific it is a job people opt into there are safety regulations and all of that and if people choose to Like partake either from a provider or Someone who wants that like that's their choice, right? I think from that perspective. I don't necessarily have a problem with it I haven't just so the internet knows I haven't partaken in that But you know, I've been to the Netherlands you go down you see like oh, that's a funny thing But you know that that's a path people can take to on a second thing Till you you are talking the difference of prostitution versus pornography

Yeah, they are different. They are and but we're not gonna see it can be the same too because there can be a regulated pornography Industry as well. So I think that there could be that It will always be different in a sense that let's just Play it out in our head right if you were to have a prostitution experience You pay one person for an experience Maybe multiple people whatever it is right you there's some experience that you have and then that's kind of the end of it Whereas pornography is much much different, right? It's a continuous on-demand highest most intensity There's always more intensities. It's like constantly feeding you in a much much different way

You're going from one person next person next person next person next person right there's that whole joke that when you're done It's kind of like a dev solving a bug and a person getting done with pornography are the same thing you have to close 67 taps Why is that like there's some there is something very very different about it and you know I just argue that the subject matter alone isn't necessarily the problem because I think that that's happening on a lot of outlets Right like you I still think it is it is the problem. I would say that probably like in the most primordial Supergoop creation of all all humans and life that

For whatever reason for us we can find artifacts of people 100,000 years ago buried just with their family It's been a very Very like intense kind of like human experience to make it a very individualistic thing now Obviously there's plenty of examples where people don't do it the right way right? Obviously that happens all the time you can find that in anything no matter what you say morally There's someone that does it differently, right? So it's you know, this is always gonna be there's always a counter example But people have always like throughout time have just experienced This is like a very intense thing like you could never until birth control in any of this you couldn't just be doing that

Like if you got caught that's why they call a shotgun wedding you got caught in pregnant somebody the father-in-law brought a shotgun And you got married or you got shot right like it's a real real thing like this is nothing Okay, but I think that's a societal and civilization constraint and it is very much attached to religion because chemically males right like our reason for being is To procreate right to spread the seed regardless and is not necessarily To be committed to one other individual that's a societal constraint. No, that's lower will constraint It's not societal it's lower will that's there's a difference right right for all societies

It's universal of society Okay, but without those constraints and when you're in a place where you're just trying to make sure that human beings Continue to exist and that is like chemically what drives you as a human male To put humans as many as we can out there because we're getting eaten and whatever else it is I do think that that is a societal constraint to a degree right let me just throw out something else identical Almost identical thing in your brain almost perfectly identical Do you eat another cookie after dinner? How many cookies do you eat? I'm not a sweet person. I eat all the french fries though

But okay another version of carbs How many french fries do you eat right like there's a higher will versus a lower will argument here Your higher will says I need to be healthy I need to do the right choice like you know it You feel it you hear it people call it your conscious you like you know the right things to do And then there's the lower will which is just like I'm an animal. I do what animals do And that is you eat like my dog will eat until it throws up We kind of have work kind of we live in the weirdest parts right where the highest version of creatures yet Which we have the ability to see our own pain we have reason the very unique thing that most

Then nothing else on planet earth can do is foresee their own pain And so we can actually eat the fourth cooking go If I you know I've already hit the point where I'm going to feel sick if I have one more I'm going to feel more sick It's the same thing But if you say it about cookies and carbs people are like oh yeah, I get that But if you say it about unbridled to just have sex with everything everyone's like whoa You can't say that it's it's really the same desire it produces the same things chemically besides for like that one chemical That's produced when you're breastfeeding when you're having a baby and when you're having sex besides for that one

Whatever it's called patosin or whatever it is like besides for that one It's like you know It's the same lower will type of like behavior and I I truly think that we are We are higher will creatures. We organize in society. It's very unique like I'm not supposed to take your stuff Why there's not there's really no moral grounding for you to say that if you don't believe in some absolute moral behavior If you just say oh, it's because it's good to be good to humans. You're like why? And so it's like I've just taken a more hard line stance Which is I think the biggest thing you can do is to love one person

Find that person and love them and sex is a part of that It's the most intimate most personal thing you can do on earth and we can use that in any way we want and it feels great to use it Otherwise trust me in college would have disagreed with myself so hard right now But nonetheless it is the most intimate most personal thing you can do and as time goes on The more you develop this relationship where you don't become one you're not too individual people in a long-term marriage You slowly become one person right like my wife and I we act like one person We are working together towards one thing

We are kind of you know not to be too biblical. We're like one flesh two spirits. We're trying to become Like always in line with each other And so I think that that's just like if I could redo some of those things I would have told myself it's not worth it It's it's truly not worth it to do those things It will feel good in the moment, but it's not a long-term victory Yeah, but it is worth it because it not all those experiences drive you here Right because like you've said it's linear and if you change anything it The previous points of the line it could change right now So that's not worth it true the most unhappy I've ever been was during those times

But you have to be unhappy to get to this that's true But you don't like you know, it's kind of like saying there's a big hole in In the street in a dark and we're gonna let people fall into it because they need to know the holes there You can also prevent the person from falling in the hole and they'll know to avoid it Right, but we can let people have that experience themselves And you know the sad part is is you see a lot of people that are older Wishing they could undo some of the things they did when they're younger But we have no moral standing of any kind to say hey, you know what maybe you shouldn't

Eat that next cookie. Maybe you shouldn't just live this way Maybe it's better to be a chased individual than it is to just chase after anything in which your lower will suggest is good And so that's always kind of been my more That's my humanitarian argument behind it because I am I'm trying to make an argument without appealing to a higher authority If you're if you're wondering because that's most people kind of observe that Obviously my belief in God and my big change and method action and all that has kind of fueled my thing So I have more of an absolute morality in this position But kind of stepping it back once which is just making a pure human argument

That's my pure human argument Which is that you you don't live a more prosperous life that way You will ultimately not end up happy And so it's like I would rather try to prevent a huge amount of unhappiness Then to say you know what that one person that actually is happy Which I still don't believe actually exists, but it will just say exists Will let you keep going so everyone else can just suffer because of that one decision I think that's fair. I think that you have a Deep moral belief in that exactly a very upset by the way and you guys yeah Not me. Okay. I'm sitting good. Yeah, you're fine

You know, but uh say That's all right. Uh no, I An eye on purpose want to play like the counter argument and you know I'm actually very happy you did because it challenges be to make you know my arguments aren't that great And it's very hard to make an argument that's not appealing to an authority right It's very easy to say why don't you murder? Well ultimately at the end of the day You can you can boil it simply down to you'll go to prison or you'll get the descends right like that's a Pealing to the high authority. It's actually just bad because they will kill you for it Yeah, but you know, you have to make a moral justification for any argument you make and it's very very hard to do that

So I actually do appreciate you doing that because most people just call me an idiot or a misogynist or or something like that And that's never been my intention Yeah, and that's so surface level anyway that kind of insult It's just like oh, I read this one thing on the internet or maybe I saw you know ten of your things on the internet Looks like you're just an opinionated asshole, but the reality is is that there's a long path that has kind of taken you to these opinions and feelings And your intent isn't necessarily to like You know call someone else stupid or immoral or whatever else. It's to like put forth what you think is

Worthwhile and take it or don't but I think this is you know good advice And you have to throw that into the ether so you're not really crafting the advice for Robbie or Chuck or you know Whatever you're crafting the advice for Twitter person and you don't know how that's gonna be taken Yeah, my general thumb is like I wish I so like my dad died on a seven I had nobody to guide me my mom tried to be the best dad she could She had to step up be that person, but the reality is she could never be that person She just didn't have it within her no matter She became very physically strong and literally lifted my brother office feet when he was 17 years old like she

She had to lay a bunch of drywall she became she was a buff lady at 42 like right she was tough But she still couldn't be a dad a dad can somehow speak into a young boy's life in a different way than a mom can It's just you know, I know some people get upset by that statement. It's just Be a young boy and experience a dad talking to you like I remember when my dad did talk to me And so I never had any advice ever after seven years old on how to live a life what is good what is bad And so a large motivation for me even doing any of the social stuff is that I'm not trying to talk to everybody I'm just trying to talk to that 20 to 25 year old guy that just doesn't know what he's doing because I dude

I was there. I was sad. I tried to commit suicide. I did a bunch of Smith I I did it all just trying to fill that void that just simply exists That exists in everybody like that that that thing that you can easily see it We all live on the precipice of like really bad depression and horrible things And some people live on one side and some people live on the other side and it's very very sad I just I'd never had anyone to guide me I had to make every decision myself at all times for what I thought was best and I was an idiot when I was 14 That's the reality is that was just a dummy right and just like every other 14 year old that has ever existed

I was equally as smart as they were which wasn't You know, and I'm 37 years old and when I'm 70 I'm gonna look back at this moment say you just didn't understand and I I do get that point and so maybe my views will change maybe I'll become less hard line on certain things But my only goal is to be like the healthy version of Andrew Tate I would like to speak into young man and just say hey, you know, maybe it's good To just be someone who works hard tries to be respectable treat women right I'm being like the I'm being like the anti-Android Tate. I'm trying to be the healthy version. Yeah, yeah

I feel like that is the hottest take you've ever had Please don't tweet that Please don't tweet that I know where you're going. I hear where you're kind of people can't hear because they see Android Tate And I think it's evil but it says There was an Atlantic article or maybe it was something else recently about like Non-toxic masculinity. I'll find it. I'll send it to you um But it is sort of like you want to Allow men to be men and encourage that but you don't want it to be toxic in the ways that you're talking about. So I like totally Yeah, you're going with there and I mean, you know, I'm Gen X or Latchkey kid with a single mom. So Latchkey too

Yeah, yeah, so I'm picking up what you're dropping there Robbie had a silver spoon. He just didn't know what we're talking about. I believe they sing a song for you Robbie about silver spoon. Yeah, well, I loved that show though. So, you know, I think Robbie was Forget the characters main characters. I know that um You're talking about wonder years at this point. No, no Jason Bateman was on the show With Ricky Schroeder called silver spoon. Okay, and he had a little like Train his house and everything out anyway. I was referencing CCR and their very famous song. Oh, yeah Against the Vietnam War that says I wasn't born with the silver spoon in hand

Right, yeah, I'm because you got out of the draft Yeah, anyway, I'm massively digress, but I do I think it's a good subject matter I'm glad we got to let this all out. I do have one quick thing that I want to ask about um, what does your cup say? Oh, yeah, thank you for asking that cup All right, can I can I can I address one more thing before we go on so the reason why I say I'm not You know, I don't try to a target women specifically is that uh real talk. I don't understand women I barely understand my wife. I'm just trying to understand her I feel like women are very complex in comparatively to men most men want to blow stuff up

Like it's very pretty pretty one-dimensional. So I have my cold differences. I feel like I just understand that feeling It's like who I was and I was you know, I got to experience that for the last 37 years And so it's not a dig against or anything. It's just I don't understand the market I don't want to try to pretend to understand it because I kind of feel like people that pretend they understand It's just so disingenuous and you can feel it. They say all the right things But it's not honest, right? It's not from that honesty point of view Whereas I like I can feel what it feels like to not be strong enough, right?

most women don't think about Can I physically beat up this other woman, right? Like that's just not a thought you have Where is this a guy? That's a more common thought in high school, right? Is am I getting in a fight today? It's just like and so like I understand that line of thinking And so that's the only reason why I I target it that way So there you I just wanted the prep so that just in case anyone's wondering as far as this one goes It goes like this I Saved Netflix thousands of servers and all I got was this lousy mug So when I was in my younger years we had this service called Atlas we still have the service called Atlas and

The originals team we are just getting started. We just got done with our hit House of cards people were loving it. We started making another original and then another original and all the sudden We had 20 originals Now remember at that same point in 2016 if I'm not mistaken or 2017 so at that point we were actually releasing a hundred originals that year We also released that we are opening to every single country worldwide In 2016 January 6 2016. I think anyways So at that point we had this really hard problem which is we have original movies With high quality images on different canvases With six different box arts per video because we wanted to do box art testing

On top of we had every single different language So it's like a huge multiplication matrix like hundreds of them what asset is missing? Is Casa de Pablo commonly known as What is it called it's called money heist is money heist missing their asset in the Netherlands Do you know do I know so I said okay? I'm gonna figure this out So I went in and kind of came up with this idea if you don't know what Atlas is It's just like a super sophisticated gauge slash slash counter database So like kind of groups itself by time oriented databases And so you put in a bunch of metrics and it like saves that and then can count that metric

But the memory cost of it is combinatoric So if you have you know if you have two Items that have two items that if you have a field that has two items another field that has two items and one more field that has two items The cost is eight right because it's two times two times two And so as that number grows you can see that it explodes and I caught in a couple places where we were logging like things we didn't care about like Machine location was a US East US West EU West US West one US West two right like there's like all these you know And so it's just like that's four times as much data eight times as much data and for every 7,000 it cost us

I forgot like $10 a year And so I found these metrics that were causing us like literally millions of dollars a year and I said hey All right, so when I'm doing this I also want to go back through and look at all these metrics we've been logging This costs us about a hundred million dollars. Let's stop this and so as a part of that effort I got this incredible mug that says I've saved thousands of servers and all I got was this lousy mug Given to me by the Netflix performance team Despite not being on the performance team just simply sending a bunch of emails But you know what you still don't have a free account. I will literally never have a free account

So weird thing that you know whatever yeah, it is I don't think it's actually a weird thing So hear me out on that one. Why is that why is Netflix not giving it its employees a free account a weird thing Let's just take Netflix's mentality which is the no process process Okay, so now you have accounts given out well an employee worth X dollars an hour every single time is gonna have to sign up and make sure that their account is linked that is an hour That is two hours with the emails how many people does that affect per employee every person's gonna have to go through that You're paying these people top of market

Having people have their own accounts is gonna be an enormous endeavor by Netflix You're gonna have to write it off for taxes you're gonna have to report it every year You're gonna have to have all these things no matter how much automation you have in place someone still has to check all those boxes They're paid for it every individual employees paid for it. It just costs a lot of money so why It is $12 a month. It's $140 a year They literally in 2009 or something like that gave every employee a $120 bonus and just said buy your own Netflix. We're done paying for you. Yeah, it doesn't make sense

It like it literally doesn't make financial sense. We're paying that because the same reason you're logic that I don't want your logic I want you to To answer why you cannot just as a benefit Have this for free because that's what everybody thinks they don't care about the money It's the same it's the same reason that Amazon doesn't give you Amazon Prime as an employee It it also cannibalizes like whether whether they make money off of that specific one or not It gets rid of they want to subscribe to get yeah, it's it's like it's all a game. It's all a game Well for us. It's not really big. We have what I forget how many members we last reported

200 and some million people there's like less than 14,000 people or something like that at Netflix That it's a wash in the bucket right it's 0.01 percent what I don't know how many members we have and I or how many employees we have Crossed by how many members we have I don't know those two numbers I'm sure I can find out their exact number. I'm not going to find out their exact number needs to but I could it's okay And so it's like It's purely comes down to at Netflix. We will pay you enough money Don't complain about the small things because it's people over process Hmm. Why don't we offer this people over process

That's it why why do you have to choose what your team's gonna build you the developer Why do you have to choose that people over process you just simply need to solve aim low Make our product work better in lower bandwidth countries You choose it right like that's Netflix motto all the way down to like a kind of like a nutshell Which is you do the right thing I tell the story a lot so Netflix got into a cloud gaming I don't know if you've seen any of the articles on that we were actually we have a bunch of a few countries Testing out some cloud games. They're trying things out. So kind of like imagine Stadia in some sense

Yeah, but they're please bring back stuff Something like that. It's nothing like Stadia, but you can imagine it's something like Stadia right live games You play from your controller on Netflix blabla blabla We've had hundreds of thousands of people go into it right now We're kind of keeping the you know the thing fairly smaller what I forget what number it's I just say hundreds of thousands Because it's a large number. It's larger than 1000. It's less than 10 100 million. Let's just say that that's that that seems about the right audience amount and so with that kind of in mind We we have to like solve a bunch of problems. There's a bunch of problems

We have 50 people or whatever working on this problem huge undertaking But someone has to solve all these problems. So my boss has been talking about it So instead of doing my day job, I just completely ignore all my tickets and I say I got an idea I start grabbing data from these different databases real-time databases Offline ones these big datas and hive and all this I start aggregating information in like a week and a half later I go into a one-on-one with my boss after lying for like a week and a half that I'm working on stuff And I say hey check this out. I say play a game right now He plays a game and I go okay. Give me that game. I you know you you ID

And he gives me the you ID and then I go okay, let's start the one-on-one So we start talking because I know big data it has it has some time thresholds It takes like 10 minutes to update. You know, it's it's big. It has a trillion rows per hour or whatever it is So I'm just waiting for a little bit It goes on we talk through and he goes okay, why'd you made me do that? I go check this out Put it in run my command line tool. It's like your game was successful You played for this law yet. This many video frames. You had this much different differentiate It's just what it went all the way through. I'm like the auto dock

We're gonna auto dock games. We don't have to think about it We're just gonna make everything work right off the rip He's like you're working on that full time. That's what you're doing from here on out That that that was our meeting That's all it took is me just showing him that it's possible to auto dock and nobody else planned that no one else thought of it I just happened to be the first person to take Ten different people's data sources and put them into one and just go the auto dock and so that was my job for the last eight months at Netflix Was just auto docking and making an a hyper triage tool where anybody should be able to triage a game in ten seconds

What happened? Why did fail? Why was it good? Was it bad? Why was it bad? And so that's kind of Netflix's model That's why we don't pay for subscriptions in some sense is that you kind of choose your own destiny What is your destiny on Netflix? Is it a destiny where you don't do things? Or is it a destiny where you create your own future? I'm working on a new project Can't talk about that new project, but nonetheless. I'm working on a new project where again It's a create your own destiny kind of project where it's just like I can see what we're doing Here's what I can offer. I will offer a new perspective

Let me show you and so I love that. I love that more than anything else It's the reason why I continue and I will continue to always work in Netflix for as long as I can Because it's not some corporate BS machine Though we do have corporate BS like every corporate corporation ever created I just think we have less of it right? Did I document anything? I created yeah? There's a couple documents. I never really wrote a Google doc But I created some documents, you know, like I created some readme.md's and coded up some some triple hashtags for titles But like that's about what I did and so that's why I just love that. I just love that PRD's have you written

More than one. Oh Well, there we go. Actually, I didn't get that. I thought it was a PRD's nuts joke I thought you're about to drop a D's nuts joke. I was I was ready. I was just like oh more than what I wish I have I live on the internet remember drop the ball on that I die of like three times a week So you just got you know, I'm ready. I'm ready at all points. All right. I really do have to jump off for dinner here So yeah, anything you want to plug and you want to tell people how to find you or anything like that Socials of YouTube twitch all those things going great if you want my long form takes

Twitch or YouTube are better if you want my short form really truly incomplete takes you got to go on Twitter because Twitter's not a place for complete takes. It's never been a place for complete takes It's just a place for stream thoughts and so there you go. All right. It's like a notepad ongoing notepad Yeah, I don't treat it any other way. It's so if you want like my raw thoughts Twitter's probably better, but it's very incomplete very incoherent That's fair. I'll keep it that way, you know, all right I totally get if we take out the porn section by the way, and you know, it's it's a weird section to have in there because

I feel like the arguments incomplete no matter how I make it without appealing to a higher authority You know, it's very hard conversation to have plus Robbie hasn't said anything this whole time. I feel bad for Robbie Well, you know I'm the talent, so yeah, yeah, chuck chuck dominates the conversation, but that's that's fun I can't help it. Can we all say thank you to William Dalton. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. That's my guy William Yeah, this was a really great whiskey. I'm happy with my six and a half rating out of eight That's what she said If all that you have a six and a half rating ever No, I uh, I literally chose this out of visuals

Right, I think I picked this didn't I pick this? Oh, uh, there you go. I don't know I think I mean if you guys want to keep talking about random shit We can just like take takes for later like out of it if if you want like I have to go, but you can hang out if you want I have to pee also. Okay. All right, so there is that but I do like this and I don't know I think we should do it's in the semi-regular cadence. I don't know. It's fun. Yeah, or Whatever whatever you think that's you prime I have no problem if you need a couple more hot takes. I always have hot takes, but if you don't want to do it feel free

The Dejan Legion loves anything I do and so I know that it will be great for you guys I think they're very excited about it. I think you guys are great. I love the fact that you challenged me Only I don't even know if you agree with me. I just love the fact that you did that so it doesn't really matter whether I agree with you or not I love that. I don't want to know. I love that Just want to have that combo. No, I just really have to go to the restroom and all that kind of stuff So but I want to talk more to you in the future and kind of love you Yeah, you can do it again. All right cool. I'm coming to South Dakota. See you soon

Yeah, no literally you can't if you if you actually send me a message and just say hey I'm coming to South Dakota me and the famer gonna come see Mount Rushmore whatever just let me know We have a room upstairs for you and then the kids go downstairs to the just the thunder dome That is the kid's own and they have their own room when which they can figure out what they need to do And then you can go off. We'll give you a car you can go drive around all that kind of stuff I love it. I love it if you have enough for a Jeep And we can put you in the Jeep if you don't have enough for a Jeep And it's just you and your wife. I'll give you the plow truck

So that way you can say snow's not the only thing I'm plowing And then point to the field and say the field could also be plowed if I really wanted it to be Yeah, there we go. I love how you try to make my Twitter better. Yeah, all right All right, have a good one. Yeah, ciao You

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