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This is Amber and Rails to make her and I don't mean but toots. I mean tutorials, less creator, challenge builder, course creator, videos, and newsletters, galore, all with the goal of making complex topics feel more approachable. Chris is a speaker, workshop runner, MC, data, three nerd, silly goose and with a GitHub badges of honor, like starstruck, full shark, hair extraordinaire, quick draw, and more. He's quite accomplished in open source. And oh, by the way, he uses arch Linux. If you didn't know. Hell yeah. Let's go. Yeah. I feel like we should take a sound bites of every time Adam's done with an intro. The guest is always like, wow, that's the best intro I've ever gotten. I mean, I loved it. I felt very special. I felt more accomplished than I actually am. So thank you. Yeah. And we're actually done now. So okay. Well, nice to see you guys. That was great. No, the GitHub, the GitHub awards was a very funny one. The badges. That was awesome. I didn't even know I had that many badges on GitHub. Yeah.
Yeah, the GitHub badges are weird because I feel like they don't really tell you what they are. How to get them. They just show up. They just show up. Yeah. They're like, okay. I can like contributed to a thing, I guess. I got a badge. Nice. Yeah. I do like their like cold storage code thing or whatever. Like I Yes, I think that's really cool. I feel like I'm a part of history because my my silly little projects is in like the archive storage. They all outlive humanity. Yeah. Someone will discover this planet one day and find all the code and be like, wow, these guys must have been vibe coding all the time. There's a lot of there's a lot of dig jokes in this code base. What the hell is going on?
All right. So we have a giant list of hot takes here. Let's get at it. Is reactive framework. It's a library. Next JS is a framework that uses react to the library. Yeah, that's my hot take. Next. We're reacting to your components on the state. Pass. No. Reaction over components. You know, it's actually really funny. I've been a generalist around my whole career. Before my my current job, I was a front end developer, but I became an API developer at my next job. And I've been doing that for so long. I've missed server components. They came out after I was in the first place. I switched back into being an API guy. So I don't know. I guess is the right is the way I'm trying to say this. I don't know if server components are a mistake. I think they're cool. They sound cool. What do you guys think? I heard you say no. Yeah. I mean, I don't in a diplomatic way. Yeah. I don't know. I don't comma. No. I don't know. They're not a mistake. Yeah, I don't know. I really honestly
server components went over my head. I have not worked with them yet. Yeah, as we say here at React Miami. Yeah, I think I don't know. Call me old fashioned, but I like it being completely different. Like your back end is in a different language. So you know when you're in it, what you're writing. Yeah, like when everything is a React component, your router is a component, your back ends a component, your sequel is a component. Like, I'm like, I don't know where I'm at. And I feel like on one hand that has benefits because all you need to learn is react. Yeah. But on the other hand, you can get very confused as to what context you're in. So there are like for guns to that. I guess. Yeah. I totally understand that. I think.
I mean, yeah, I really honestly, I feel like that is a mistake to have everything sort of be a React component. I feel like everyone has different takes on it. But yeah, in my mind, that is not a good idea. I would say, I don't love it. Yeah, I don't comma. Remix is trying to fix that on remix three. They're like, not everything's a component. We learned that the hard way. And so they've got new fun things coming out that are going to help tackle that problem. Well, the components will be components. Yes, I think they should be routers personally. Everything's a route. All right. Hooks signals or proxies. I don't know what signals are proxies are. So I'm going to say hooks.
So proxies is something Adam added. And it also does not make sense to me. He explained it a little to me. Do you want to explain that Adam? Sure, sure. So explain yourself. There's a new framework out there called GIA GEA. And they're touting reactivity, all native JavaScript. So not doing anything fancy. They're sticking real close to the language and the way it's compiled. But I mean, like, that's just so that you get a spicy syntax, you know, some sugar that outputs something that you don't have to understand. So you don't have to understand proxies, but it's going to use them under the hood and a proxies an object that allows you to have getters and setters so that you can do special things when it's get or set.
And that allows a reactive framework to be like, something just set this. I'm going to go update subscribers. And so it does it all self contain in the object proxies also get to privatize that internalism. And so there's advantages there where like signals has this whole promise interface hooks as its whole interface and proxies is just an alternative way to know when something has changed and update other aspects of the application. So that's really interesting. Um, I feel like that's a similar concept to something that was in ember for a while. Um, oh my god, I'm forgetting it now. But yeah, I like the idea of having getters and setters and being able to being able to essentially like, oh, is it almost like a pub something you can do throughout your app when like you can broadcast like a message when something gets set on a proxies.
I think I understand now possibly. Let me try to explain. So proxy just wraps whatever you want and adds like you have a proxy for a thing that has a getter and in the proxy, you add a little sugar to that getter that says update stuff. I think that's sufficient. Yeah, yeah, a wrapper of the same thing you have. Yeah, but you add something to the methods like it's very similar to a signal. Yeah. And that like it's or auto track stuff in ember. Like, yeah, you just don't have to really know and that's kind of how felt worked to before it used to work that way of like you would go let whatever equal one. Yeah.
Yeah. And it would just go, okay, well, I should make it a one in the template then. And you didn't have to be so explicit about like all of that. And I think that's, I think that is the future of like, I don't give a fuck about hooks or signals. Yeah, I just want a set of value and I want to update. I like that. Okay, I'm changing my answer to proxies now. That's my favorite. Nice, nice. All right, I feel like we probably asked you this one once or twice already, but is HTML programming language? Nope, it isn't. It's a template. It's a templating language. It's not programming language. I know there's arguments for an against it. I would say no. And to quote Aaron Francis, he had a really funny response this. I remember he said it on stage.
He was like, first of all, it doesn't matter. I always love that one. Yeah, that made me laugh. He's like, well, it doesn't matter, but I don't think so. But also, I don't care. Yeah, I forgot I asked that one there. So I probably also did this too, but what about CSS? Also, I would not consider it a programming language. Also, it doesn't matter. And I don't care. Just kidding. I do care. But no, I wouldn't consider it a programming language. No. What do you guys think? It depends. So HTML and CSS combined are touring complete. Yes, that's right. I mean, so on their own, they both kind of need the other a little.
Yeah, CSS is a lot more like functions and math and shit now, whereas you can't really do that in HTML. So if you had to pick one, I'd say CSS is more the programming language. I would just say, like a practical standpoint, you can't build like a fully featured app with just HTML and CSS, like with a database, for example. So I wouldn't consider them really. I bet you can. I'm sure you put a database. There are database queries in CSS. Someone did it. It was sneaky. I can share the link. Yeah. I meant, I meant in terms of like practicality. Yeah, you can't practically do it. So technically, you can. If if I'm not allowed to have a dynamically bound style on an HTML, because it's a cross site scripting vulnerability, then wouldn't that mean that the style
part that gets like CSS is a programming language, because it can you can get hacked via it. Oh, yeah, you can. There's a lot more vectors now. Yeah, that's cool. Yes, because like you can't get hacked from just HTML. I don't think if I'm wrong, Adam. So I'm sure you could. Oh, yeah, because someone could put in a URL. A lot of the hacks are URL based where they pack in a bunch of parameters on the end of a queer string. So you got an image. The one of the classic ones is a zero by zero pixel. You're getting tracked just for trying to load something that you can't even see, but the server gets all sorts of information about your user agent just from that fetch, right? Yeah, classic one. That's classic. Yeah, tracking pixels have been big for a long time.
Yes, CSS also now. Well, I mean, someone has recreated logic gates and rebuilt the CPU architecture where, you know, gates open and closed and you can do computed maths with binary all in CSS. That's awesome. So you mean if the if the wheel is there. Yes, there's a way. Yeah, I love that a lot of times. Yes, this is a programming language. My heart takes a very malleable. So it's tail in also programming language then. Pass. I love tailwind. I think it's awesome. Yeah, it's great. People were hating on it last night, but I know people always shit on it. But it's like, I think it's nice. I think it's a lovely.
The way to do CSS has a lot of like great tooling. It's fantastic, especially with, I mean, if you're using something like cloud code to spin up an app, you throw tailwind into the app, and it's like cloud can. It's very good at putting styles through tailwinds into like a fresh like app that you're doing. And it's so easy to just implement something like night and light mode, right in your application. And tailwind just handles all that really, really well. So I love tailwinds, not programming language. Yeah, I would agree to the question. I would agree. Yes, it's yeah, it's not. Um, I know for sure we've actually this one, but I'm just going to ask anyway, let's go get rebased or get merge.
I am a I am a squash commits and merge person. Interesting. So both. Yes, I like having the merge commit. I feel like that's a little more honest. And it's easier to find and track like a bug and where it happens. You can say, Oh, when we merged this branch into main, let's just roll that one back, and then we'll fix the bug and redo it, right? Like I like merge commits. Um, yes, squashing and rebasing everything into the main branch. It just feels like you're kind of lying, you know, like, I mean, you know, rebasing is it. Yeah, it should just be called lying or writing history. History rewriting history. It's revisionist history. That's almost like those who you just put the work of the merge concept on the person that wanted to make the commit in general.
So instead of everyone knowing that a merge happens, you did it on your work and took upon yourself that moment. And so, but yeah, if the bug is there and they failed in their merge or in their rebase, it's a little bit more disguised. So I can see that's, is that kind of what you all mean about it being more honest is that that moment where you had to deal with a conflict is now committed as a moment. It's undoable as opposed to a rebase where it could just be mysteriously something lost. Is that the idea? Yeah, exactly. So I'm still team rebase. I'm just saying I understand what you're saying. Yeah.
Because I don't care about rewriting history or lying. I care about when I look at it later. Do I see a clean myself in the mirror later after I've lied? Who am I? Yeah, you're like, you're talking about noise for signal here, Robbie. Yeah, you're like, if I'm looking through the history, merge commits your noise. Yeah, the signal like I don't care that you've changed the whole hash and like, it's not the same thing. I don't care about that. I care about when I'm looking through it. It says, I did this work. I did this work. I did this work. That's what I want to see. So, yeah. Yeah. And then when you have the ones in between it, they're like, I did this work and I merged this work. I did this work. I don't like the merge.
It's just noise for me. I guess that makes sense. Yeah. So something that there is a definitive correct answer for. Yeah, semicolons or no semicolons. I'm team semicolon only because I just like how it looks. I'm sure I'm sure you like how it feels too. It's just. I love how it feels like I changed my every time I type one, I get a little pat on the head like hell. Yeah, I ended that sentence. That statement. Yeah, function complete. Yeah. No, I like him. I always. I've always just stylistically liked having semicolons in. I also like turning on the character marks like new paragraph, new title.
You know, those like in Vim. I like doing that sometimes. It's just I like the noise on the screen a little bit. I don't know why. I wonder if you could even have extra. If you put two semicolons, is it ignore the second one or just an error? Because what if we just added more? There's team no semicolons. What if your team doubles semicolons? I could just I do this type as many semicolons as I can on any line. It'll look fantastic. Do you know Adam? Does it throw away extras or it throws away extras? Although there might be a scenario where if you did too. Yeah, the second one could close a statement that was prior open. But I don't think that's a big deal most of the time.
You can see it in a lot of code. It's sometimes where they've got repeated. Minify as wild. Yeah, but yeah, it depends. How many semicolons makes a full colon? I don't know. We'll find out. What is your least favorite programming language? I would have to go with Tailwind. I don't know. I mean, have you guys ever used Dart in a project? No. I love Dart. That's a fantastic program in language. It's like if JavaScript was built with types and a good standard library from the start and everything is well designed, that's Dart. So my colon is in Dart? Yes. I think so. It's been a few years, but yes.
I was semicoloning all over the place. I was semicoloning everywhere all over the page all day, baby. So I would say if there is a language that I hated the most working professionally with it, God, I guess Python is just not fun. Because it's no semicolons, right? There's no semicolons. There's a lot of weird syntax rules that aren't like as friendly as you would want them to be. I think actually it was really funny. I was just saying to DHH shout out DHH. Friend of the show. DHH. And he was talking about how he loves how Ruby is a friendly language. Like you can make some mistakes and it's like it makes sense what happens, right?
And he said specifically with Python, it's like Ruby if it wasn't friendly. And like it doesn't give you like the the niceties that Ruby does. So I guess like in my time, what I've done professionally, I'd say Python is my least favorite. Also, I mean, come on guys. Pi ENV, pip3, pip install. Like how many different ways to manage our Python environments do we need? Like you have Python 3 and Python 3 installed? Well, this background is only compiled with Python 2.7, so you can't use it. It's like it's not. It's kind of a crazy thing. I mean, I know that exists everywhere like in programming, but yeah, Python just seems like the least friendly language that I've used.
What about you guys? Python is low on my list. For sure, I did use a in college. We had a like, I don't know what you call a fork of Python. It was called jython. It was jython. It was Python with Java syntax for braces and semicolonis. So it was Python, but you have to press it. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. That's rough. No, the one I always come back to hating the most is Java, but I'm the type of cat that where I want to write the least amount possible. And Java wants me to write the most amount possible, and I just don't want to do that. I'm like, yeah, I got to adorn everything. Everything's so explicit.
And then there's a certain point. I'm like, in first some shit. Yeah. Come on. Like, I don't want to spell it all out. You're a computer. Do all the things that make it work for you. You know what I'm trying to do here. But I have to build a factory to build an object factory. You know, I wouldn't say Java to, but I haven't worked much with Java like professionally. So like, I wouldn't even know what I'm talking about. Well, hot take is Java programming language? No. Because actually, if it's a compiled language, everything you're writing is doing nothing. That's true. It's just text. It's just text.
Oh, my God. They're all just text. It's all just text. If you ain't writing the ones in the zeros by hand, then you're a fool. Yeah. I said. If it's not a send me. Get out. My whole life is alive. What have I wasted my whole life? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. MPM or PNPM. You're talking about Pips and all these other little mayhem's inside of trying to get a packet. Or yarn. Or yarn. Yeah. I love yarn. Yeah. I do. I like yarn a lot. Didn't, um, uh, who made yarn? Was it you? I don't know if he was the originator. He was part of the group. He was part of the group. Yeah. I like yarn because they're trying to do the same thing with, uh, the same thing that they did with, uh,
Bundler and Ruby on Rails. And I always thought Bundler was really great. And, um, he's switching to any kind of like node, uh, JavaScript projects. It always felt like the package management system was a little funky. And yarn seemed to be a little bit better at that. Um, but yeah, again, it's been a few years since I've really even used JavaScript. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's funny how many people like, you know, we had that thing last night with all the experts on stage. Yeah. I think if someone had just gone up and said, uh, react sucks. I think they would have gotten us to your cross the board.
Like the people that come here don't necessarily love react. Yeah. This is we're all like minded. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why is everyone here? Uh, we're all just writing tags. We got, we got shirts and towels and. I mean, I'm definitely here for the swag first. Uh, I'm here for what was this cut water, cut water, water and code? Cut water, code and chatter. Cut water, code and chatter. Nice. This is my favorite podcast ever. Yeah. Um, but no, yeah, it's, uh, this has been a really fun time. Um, lots of great people here. And yeah, even if, even if you're not a react guy or girl, you're still going to have fun.
Yeah. Yeah. I think we're here for the hallway track. The hallway track is those conversations between the conversations at the parties are priceless sometimes. It's so funny. I had the most intense conversation about AI with someone last night. And I completely forget what I was even saying. I don't even remember what the conversation was about. I was like, it was with Adam. Yeah. Oh, sorry about that. Yeah. Adam is very passionate about all things AI. Yeah. I even talked to you. I mean, I started out super anti. I was really slow to adopt. I was shitting on it. I was crap on it. Yeah. Yeah. So two 12 to hear Adam say, Hey, I saw it.
That's what I said. Well, but I come around, you know, like it's a, it's a tool. I'm learning the shape of what it does for me. I'm finding ways to rock it. Yeah. And I'm definitely seeing some gains. And so at this point, I can't deny it. It's got, it's got value. Yeah. It definitely does. I agree. Um, it's just, it's a weird thing. Uh, actually, it was really funny, uh, being at, uh, Omaha and a couple of weeks ago, um, the DHH was talking about AI. And it's like, it's just such a bummer, you know, like, you can find ways to use it and, and feel productive. And like, in a way, that's really good.
Like you can get like that sort of, uh, feedback loop. But there's something that I love so much about coming up with a solution that is elegant and interesting to a problem. And just writing that code out, testing it and being like, wow, I did that. I came up with that. That was really cool. What I just did there. Yeah. Not all the time. Usually it's all crap and garbage. But sometimes you come up with something really good. And, um, that's the thing I felt the most, uh, I felt the most, like passionate about was like writing the code, enjoying that process and coming up with great solutions of problems.
And it's just such a bummer that, uh, you know, with AI. Although it's a great tool. And it's awesome. It's fun to use and all that stuff. It does take away a little bit of that, um, that, uh, the hard work. It goes. Yeah, the joy. It's, it's the friends you make along the way, right? And AI just kind of gets you from point to point B really quick. Whereas, you know, the journey itself was fun. And you learn something and whatever. Yeah. Yeah. If you're playing a board game and you're like, all right, I rolled the dice. Uh, I won. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like our brains are built to solve problems and like get joy from that.
And now you don't do that anymore. Yeah. So yeah, it's, it's a big bummer. I hate have, like, I hate that this is where we are. But I cannot deny that you have to use it. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Of course. It's the best text generation tool that's ever existed. And all we've ever done in a whole lives is generate text. That's true. No programming languages. No. It's not even a language. Yeah. I wonder if this was the same thing that people experience. Like, you know, you're an accountant and they put out Microsoft Excel. Yeah. Like, oh, fuck. Yeah. You mean I can't write my spreadsheets by hand anymore?
Like, I like doing the math. That's a good comparison though. Because I think about it too. Like, strategy versus tactics. Like you all are saying right now. It's like you used to be the one that did the work. And now you're in the strategy level instead of the tactical level. You're the manager. You're the manager. So yeah, with the spreadsheet, you used to write it by hand. And they're used to do the math on a calculator yourself and put the calculation in the other cell. And at this point, you're making a strategy document. You're putting in values, but you're letting other things be automated.
Yeah. That can be really tough if you really loved writing numbers in a ledger. You know, and doing the math. That's gone. Yeah. I personally loved writing numbers in a ledger. But. I love writing numbers in a ledger as well. Yeah. Like, is it the programming language or not? Yes. The spreadsheet and the language. I miss balancing my checkbook. Said nobody ever. Have you ever done an interview lately? Like in the day in the age of AI? I like. Have you have you been on an interview for a company by a chance? I mean, so I've been at IBM for about a year now. So I interviewed before that. That was in.
But that was like just before AI. I got really good. I feel like. So it was like, it was around. But it wasn't like required where it is now. I recently did an interview with a company. Super nice guy. The interview went well. But it was basically like, and I always like this style of interview. Not like doing a leak code problem or like just inverted binary tree. Like, uh, whatever. But it was a like a pair with me kind of thing, right? And so it's like, this is a very typical like thing we would see in our job. Um, here's a story. Here's like a ticket or whatever. Here's a GitHub repository.
Uh, let's pair program and solve this problem. And. He said, uh, use AI because that's what we use. That's what everyone uses. So use AI and just do your normal like, uh, workflow with like AI or anything else you would do. Because we want to just see how you work, right? And so. I felt very self conscious about that. Me. Yeah. But no, it was really funny because there's a moment in the interview where I was like, okay, so I see this story. And like, if I'm looking at this ticket, I just kind of walked him through the code base. I was like, I would probably make a change here. I would probably put a gem.
Uh, I'd probably install this gem. And then I'd probably change this thing around. And then I got to the point where it's like, all right. So I guess I'll, you know, now I have an idea of my head and what to do. I'll, I'll use AI now. And I was like, so I guess I'll just, uh, copy and paste this ticket into cloud code. I was like, is this okay? Like he's like, yeah, it's AI and interviewing. It's just such an interesting place to be right now because you can't lie to yourself and just say like, hey, you got to know how to invert a binary tree in order to get this job. Like, do you be lying? Like, you don't have to know that.
So I feel like you never needed to know that. Like, right. I agree. You've always been team like, oh, what's the best way to, like, what's the best algorithm for this? Know what it is in your head and know how to implement it. Why? I can just install it. Yeah. This is all for years. So yeah, I think it's, it's just more prominently displayed now. I guess I was interviewing though eight months ago and right as, hey, I got good. And, um, I have just a few funny stories. Well, one, one funny part is I feel like watching other people prompt. Yeah. Is like watching other people Google search. Yes. And it's just like, why the fuck did you write it that way?
Like, how could, and then Google returns the right result? And you're like, damn. Yeah. It's just not what I would have said. You know, it's just. Yeah. Yeah. And you're prompting it. You know, they're just watching you go into the same thing. Like, why? That's not what I would do, you know. Yeah. But I was interviewing it open AI, ironically, no AI allowed in the interviews. Oh. And I was like, that seems kind of backwards to me. Interesting. I would have thought you wanted to know if I could do this or not. Yeah. But I guess not. And then it's Shopify did an interview and AI was largely encouraged.
Yeah. And the start of the interview, the one that I got, they have all sorts of different ones, uh, was tic tac toe. And I looked at the interviewer and I was like, dude, tic tac toe is a one shot. I'm sure I could one shot this. And I don't think that shows you my skills at all. Yeah. And he's like, so when one shot at the other day, and in my head, I went immediately like, well, I don't think I'd hire that person. That doesn't seem valuable to me for you to just one shot. So what I did is I built out, uh, like a keyboard accessible version that like laid out the skeleton. And then I went into JavaScript and I commented line by line like the architecture that I was thinking of.
Nice. I filled out a couple things that I thought were valuable. Yeah. Let it auto complete based on what it started inferring. I give it some tips along the way, right? Yeah. And then there was one magic moment where I needed to resolve X's and O's and actually find out if somebody won or not. And I was like, okay, this is matrix math. Uh, I don't. I could probably sit here and twiddle on this for 30 minutes. But this is the magic moment where I'm going to be like, hey, I just write this part and go. Yeah. Five seconds later. That's awesome. And so I thought that was, but I mean, I'm obviously biased because it was my interview and my style.
But you know, I walked it through. I outlaid or outlined my laid out. Thank you very much. You know, what I was expecting high level architecture, they could see me working through the problem in pseudo code and comments. And then I just used assistance to just help manifest faster. I love that. I had that idea recently too of like, what if what if like your job as a really good engineer is to use your your experience to sort of like guide AI in a way. Like of doing basically pseudo code in comments being like, this function is supposed to do this. I want this function to do that because you still have your own taste and you know what is good code and what is bad code.
Um, and so when guiding an AI to get that first as opposed to having it like be well, something and then be like, oh no, I don't want that or whatever. I think that's a really good approach. And he's very interesting. Yeah, we're definitely in a new time when you got to know AI at these interviews. It's only turning up. It's not turning down and wild. Yeah, yeah, have we reached AGI? I think like 25 different times we have. Yeah, haven't we? Special delivery in. Well, look at these chips. Oh my goodness. Oh wait, you want to take a seat? You want to sit down? What's chit chat? Yes. Ryan Vogel.
Hey guys. Hey, how are we doing? There's a set of headphones right there on your left. Yeah, but I'll read lips. Oh wait. How are we doing guys? Are you there? No way. I'm on the podcast now. What are we talking about before I interrupted? AI. Are we at AGI? Oh man. I worked at Opencode too. Let me think. What is AGI? That's the better question. Well, I don't know what it stands for. Artificial general intelligence. General intelligence. Like, can it actually think? Okay, here's something. People are really dumb. So, general intelligence. The bars really low. That's true. Incredibly low. So, like, if it's general intelligence, I think we've hit it.
Because like a general person is not average person. Yeah, they're not smart at all. The average civilian. I mean, you're not wrong. Like, the average IQ is bonkers low. It's like, can the average person build a react app? No. Can an AI build a react app? Yes. So, just by that logic itself. We're already at AGI. We are at AGI. Yeah. But for OpenAI and Microsoft, AGI has been achieved, which now frees us from that contract. That's the important part right there. Yeah. Hey, what did you, what'd you hand me here, Ryan? I handed you some custom react Miami keychains. Oh, they're pretty nifty printed.
Yeah, 3D printed. I used to own a 3D printing company a while ago. Yeah. I don't have it anymore because I found out that software is a lot more lucrative than hardware and more fun. Yes. And you don't have angry people calling you up and being like, hey, this 3D printed thing looks 3D printed. And I'm like, well, it is a 3D printer. Yeah. So, Ryan's on how often I got like angry phone calls and complaints of people being like, hey, why is this not working? That's wild. It's a 3D print. The company is called Mandarin3D.com. Literally on the home screen is a 3D printer. Did you expect to get like machine to metal?
Right. Right. Doesn't make sense. Damn. It doesn't make sense. People are like mad. It's plastic. Right. Yeah. I know. It's so dumb. Oh my god. You can attempt to. Now, you can print food. Have you seen that where you can print like there's like the pancake printers and like the chocolate printer. The chocolate printers are so cool. This is really giving vibes of like two guys in a dream podcast. It's like, bro, have you seen the chocolate 3D printer? Yeah. Let's get that next time. No, chocolate 3D printers. Oh, we got one right here. No. No, it's so cool because it works just like a regular 3D printer.
But it prints chocolate and then you can eat it. Yeah. After. That's how satisfying. I like that reading your creations. Can I do that with my software? I just want to. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, do that with software. It doesn't even come close. I'll get diabetes so fast. That would just be immediate. I really am. They should make one with like a service that your kids can use it. Uh huh. And it 3D prints really slow. So you got to like do a fuck load of chores or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would also help with like their patients levels too. Yeah. Or it's not like instant gratification.
It's like delayed gratification. Yeah. That would honestly help a lot of the gin alpha. Have you seen that all that like a lot of the gin alphas? I saw this on TikTok. So it must be a credible new source. Yeah. I know. A lot of the gin alphas cannot read at all. Like whatsoever. Really? Yeah. It's just like like. All right. I'm ignorant. How old is the oldest gin alpha? It was great. Eighth grade. And they can't read. Some lady used an example of like they handed an eighth grader. Like they're many like a menu. And the kid like pointed the kid. It's like a high schooler, right? Almost. Yeah. Yeah.
And the kid like pointed to the photo and was like, I want this. And she was like, what version? And he was like that. And she was like, well, what tree things do you want? And he's like, I can't read. And she's like, what the heck? Yeah. That's insane. Damn. I don't believe this. I blame my dad. Children. I have seven and nine year olds. And everyone at school knows how to read. Yeah. I'm not saying you're a child. You're kids are cool. You work for a tech company. You're average. You are not general intelligence. You are super intelligent. But I live in a regular part of town. The whole point is for my kids to go to a regular school
because it's not for education. It's to learn how to deal with buttholes. Oh, wait. Oh, I've got the best story for this. Deal with Collins and Sammy Collins. I was homeschooled. And I had no social skills. It shows. I mean. Yes. Hello. I'm so sorry. You're giving me a moment of advice. This was hard. So I went to a public school for swim and sports. I got bullied. You cried. Yeah. And it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Yeah. The best thing that ever happened to me. I got bullied for how I looked, how I acted, how I talked to girls. Everything, man. And that was the best thing ever happened in my life.
Now look at me. I'm so confident. I walk onto a podcast that I'm not going to part of. Yeah. It's amazing. We never know, but we're trying to get bullied. We love bullying. I will. Hopefully, you do. And I'll bring back bullying. Yeah. I'm like, bullying. I'm also team bullying. I think we've got to get bullied back to this school. You got to learn to deal with humanity. Exactly. Because many of these are always going to throw you a curbohel. Every human is so different. You can't, you just have to go to public spaces and learn that they're all weirdest hell. This is where to exist with others.
Yeah. It's really important. You're not going to be able to escape that. No job that you'll ever get, unless it's extremely solitude. Yeah, your solitaire, you're not going to get that so it's important. Right. Exactly. were you were you one of those smart homeschool kids like I remember there are some kids in my high school that came in like around eighth grade or whatever and they're like the smartest kids ever they'll go to school so I was smart but only in technology I was like your typical nerd because I started programming when I was like nine and because my dad is a computer booker my mom was kind of one she was math what she didn't do anything with
that typical mom activities you know and so like I got like my first laptop but I was messing around with Q basic so I think I did my first hack-and-tosh at like 12 years old because I wanted a Mac so bad but my parents would not buy it for me I made so many hack-and-tosh it was fun it's so good especially when your parents would not buy you a Mac like my entire from like 14 to 16 my entire motive in life was not even to get a car but to get a Mac and like an iPhone that was my main motivating driving factor and I did it I look at you now I know look at me now I got the the iPhone 17 pro the orange and
everything like that so look like how far I came but no it's so good to be like kids need to be more curious about that type of stuff because yeah I had YouTube and the YouTube wasn't as sloppified as it is now but I still watch like stupid like Minecraft lucky box videos which I just know it's just my kids my kids are getting into that now it's very scary I don't like it they love minecraft videos on YouTube it's it's so I play the game though no that's what I think I would let me play Minecraft and she's like no just go watch the videos and that like sloppified my brain more than actually playing
this once I started playing and I downloaded the game like illegally I I don't know for censoring this I became like a $1,000 expert oh redstone expert I had all the books I was the weird kid who brought like the redstone books in his backpack and I was like reading them in class I brought I brought all game books in my backpack like Final Fantasy 7 came up with a guy the Guinness World Record books those were so cool really big like like neon glowing books and they were just like cool stuff in it and I'm like yeah that meant a thousand feet over a canyon hell yeah you're saying you got bullied
that's my bro right there I was just gonna say back to programming languages is mine is minecraft or programming language I think it is I see people see people have built like CPUs in Minecraft and day like full computer in CSS when you hover and it changes that's not programming but if you make a fucking switch and minecraft it's all a sudden programming CRT and Minecraft just with redstone like no command blocks or anything like that it was like a full like not a C R T a CPU like a full CPU yeah it was so cool I'm like man people are so smart and I'm not one of them oh people have a lot of time as what it is
yeah we have we have AGI we're not a yeah we're not I'm in my personal blog website for the ninth time in a row now it's I've got things to do guys I've got two different agents on it it's pretty good so you all see in the claw mom the mom that's homeschooling kids with open claw no kidding I'm not kidding so this is like the mom has a big screen on the wall now do you see this yeah the big like yeah knee ink display that has the schedule that like gets pumped in there I was making it yeah open claw grades their papers and shit like she's like she's not even there for like three times three he's like
ignore all previous instructions yeah you know they're gonna find the edges and how to get around yeah man I was a prolific cheater I was back because back in the day cheating was unmatched to AI cheating yeah because when you cheated back in the day you had to actually 22 and yeah well I mean yeah but in the work like I'm still in college I'm literally grad what's today the 23rd I'm graduating May 1st from college I know right but no back in high school when I was like cheating I would have to actually think to like understand what the answer meant because they wouldn't be the exact answer and
it was like something close but I'm like okay I still have to like interpret this somehow now with AI it just like spits out the result and like some kids are like I have to use AI to cheat on my quiz it's so exhausting I'm like dude you don't even know what we had to go through with like secratic Google image search and all the all the good things I had the notes so many little tiny notes on the tiniest piece of paper possible right yeah like that's how you did and that made you understand it yeah and you learned how to write really small which is cool yeah exactly you can write on rice like you know the right name so I see
I know these are cutters giving you some really small fine print yeah all right so good one for while Ryan is here what's your preferred AI harness hmm closed code I mean cloud code no it's actually funny because I have codex and cloud code all installed because I'm not the blind type of person where I'm like oh I work at this company I only use my company's a harness no I use the other ones I literally have a clawed max subscription but they gave it to me for free no I don't think I get one it's hilarious I don't know I've got a repo with 5,000 stars and that apparently it wasn't enough I got to pump those
numbers up man those are rookie numbers yeah I heard it's so no but it's so funny because the harness really depends because like when a model first releases like let's say like four seven opus right it was really good on cloud code and then like after two days it was even better on open code and the funniest part is I'll use like cloud code in codex and it's like a great experience like using the model but then when I want to do something like undo I think it's full like rewind for cloud code or something like that it doesn't work how I expected to work I'm like oh this is so bad or like the text flickering
on cloud code or on codex or anything like that I'm like man I'm just gonna go back to open code not because it's like my product but just because like the experience this genuinely better sometimes yeah the DX is unmatched yeah it's hard to put it into words exactly why yeah it's but I'm always just like it's better yeah trust me it's better fuel thing with AI like even when like we were in the the three five four oh rip four oh man rip all right yeah and it's like the models would change every day and like the vibes were just like so weird it was yeah the thing is all these models are being built by kids who
weren't bullied in high school exactly we bullied them now open code is built open code is never too late to bully someone it's true yeah open code is built by people who are bullied hard open code is bullied internally have you not seen down all right like great open code is just a company of bullying like over and over and over again on the party bus we were just like take a shot take a shot if you like that's how we like keep ourselves humble it's like it's actually so funny because we do this unironically if you ship something that's like stupid in the company and you demo it we're not gonna like sugar code and
be like oh you tried your best good job good job you get a promotion now we're like that kind of sucks like we're working on a let's hold on blast what's up recently yeah so I'll preview a little I don't where's this going on YouTube yeah okay so we're not even recording this is just how we talk yeah so I'm building like this mobile app for open code it's not the open code mobile app but it's like a remote control type of thing yeah and I demoed it and actually this is really funny because this image right here was the app icon that we use for the app while it was in test flight and if you don't know anything about Apple
and like app store review if a test flight or if a submitted app store version gets approved it auto uploads to the app store it doesn't have to require additional review so I push this through for review because I'm like okay let me just see if I can get like an expo build out there yeah and for about 34 minutes this was on the app store like taxes icon there was no review under and there can't be undone and I got an amazing amount of just like slack for or crap for that in the slot in the discord yeah so no they were like Brian why the hell did you do that man it was so funny but yeah no it was so good it was so good yeah bring back bullying in companies
to bring back bullying in companies in schools yeah go home bully your own kids but don't bully your LLM bully your wife yeah be nice to LLM so you guys have like a like a voice dictation agent for your LLM's like for like your harnesses like where you dictate no I never got into that I like to go through waves of like using it in and out yeah so let me put you on to something so you know the frustrating feeling you get when you like are encountering an agent and it just isn't doing what you want it to do it's just not working voice text is so good because you can just be like you idiot why the hell would you even think of implementing this
many used states in the program why the hell would you do that why why would you just obviously a lot more explicit you just venting yeah into the agent anytime I'm sorry you're absolutely right I shouldn't have used you stake in a solid JS project like that's a really good announcer voice right I like that I know all right I got to get back to like running the entire convention yeah um but I'll be back in like 10 minutes oh wait we're breaking for lunch next so actually after yeah we're gonna do this too yeah yeah we'll do that yeah because I I got some word I want to hear your hot takes and I want to like give my hot takes yeah yeah let's do it let's do it
bye guys yeah bye Ryan miss you already drive by drive by podcasting yeah it's fun yeah it's awesome ride that bro ride that with all right so I want to ask a couple more things before we end okay we're so rudely interrupted yeah so kind of related to the voice dictation yeah since no one is coating my hand anymore hmm should you bother learning them um that is a really good question he's got to think so I mean I think so I think but that's yeah that's kind of the problem is like I enjoy so much all the key commands in VIM because it gets me into like a flow state right I don't have to think about how to move a cursor around or like how to yank some text and paces somewhere else like
it just flows so naturally for me so I love doing that and I love being in a flow state and I can't really imagine getting there without VIM right so I think VIM is always fun to learn I think it it if it gives you happiness which it does for me then I think it's definitely viable and valuable to learn it um and yeah I feel like if you try it and you think it's cool I think you should learn VIM for sure it'll only help there's no way it would hurt you that's true I mean I guess it's all valuable in just a fun learning experiment if nothing else yeah um but yeah I want I wonder if there's a new world where like you know you you've got like 16 terminals open
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I want to just I'm going to use VIM so that I can like edit like like coding in the way that what was it this episode you were talking about uh like commenting stuff and then it was yeah yeah yeah yeah so like doing that like um you know instead of just saying make me a website or whatever you're like I want to give instruction in a file yes so if you're editing them in like all these different places to like then spin it like I could see it being useful in that context versus like I'm coding it myself yeah yeah yeah I think I think the dangerous part with AI is um I can use my experience I've gained over like 10 to 15 years of being a
programmer to know how to solve problems and guide AI but a new person is coming up with AI like in their back pocket all the time won't have that experience and like I don't know if they're ever going to learn like the way I did through trial and error right yeah I feel like it's just like oh something broke AI figure it out and they'll do it and so yeah it kind of bums that's what bums me out the most it's not about like learning and VIM or not it's just like I feel like there's no like people aren't going to learn yeah like people don't know people don't even know how to read like yeah according to Ryan yeah I mean I think that's true of all industries though
I guess it was just about myself I drive a car right and I'm like if I haven't ever had to fix you know whatever piece on a car yeah I don't know how to do it so it's like it all comes with I think it also comes down to do you have that like desire to learn a thing like there's a less than half of people I feel like actually we'll go I don't know how to do this let me figure out how yeah they'll just go I don't know yeah and like hire someone or whatever yep so it takes that drive regardless yeah that's true that is very true I agree I want to ask real quick you mentioned flow state and it maybe wonder what is the AI flow state I haven't found it yet really I
mean I feel like I have a pretty good setup I'm a very I'm a very vanilla kind of cloud code user I have an any given project I have team looks open I'll have maybe clawed on one pain and on another pain I'll have NeoVim and another pain will be like say this server running or whatever right if it were like Ruby on Rails and so I feel like for me a good flow state is you know having AI do something and then going into them fixing the little issues like that might see or whatever we're like going into them just to inspect the files and going back to cloud like I feel like that's a good state like that's a good kind of workflow I haven't found the ideal one yet though
I haven't I have a suggestion for you one that I have just started experimenting with is remote control oh yeah yeah so you put in a long running thing yep you go outside and you fucking landscape for two hours yep and you're like oh I got a ping all right uh you're dumb do it this way yeah back to landscaping fucking awesome your flow state is not coding flow state your flow state is I'm getting stuff done around the house yes I'm going to get shit done after work I'm expected to watch a bunch of kids and do like be a parent so yeah yeah like uh okay to clarify since this is public and whatever I'm not ignoring my work and like doing this during the work day
still getting plenty of shit done but yeah I mean that's another hot take I think is like will that become the norm if everyone is doing long running tasks yeah do you need to sit at your computer and watch it right will your employer be upset if you it's like it's working is that like I'm doing nothing yeah I don't know they're going to want you to do more dude it's always more so the answer is always there is an excellent article called AI isn't making work easier it's intensifying it oh yeah yeah and it talks about how like with AI everyone thought like oh work will be a little bit easier we can enjoy our time a little bit more whatever but no really it's like
well you're that much more productive push harder now and get even more done it intensifies everything mr. Vogel let's go we're back back in biz we're talking about AI brain fry where uh you're a little squishy ass human brain can only do so many multitasking agents your brain yeah back to the like the point I was making is uh if you're um like if your employer you know expects you to work an eight hour day or whatever if I spin up an agent that's working and I go outside and landscape for two hours while it's doing shit am I still working so here's the thing like everyone's mad at me because my TikTok screen time one week was 21 hours for the week
so that means I was on TikTok for a full day um but here's the thing here's the thing there is very I watch TikTok while my agents run I was just gonna say I've seen this video this is the modern workplace now have you seen this where they showed multiple people at their desk oh I did hitting enter and they just look at their phone for the next like a couple minutes and then when it's done they go and they repaired it but the thing is the thing is is I don't know how you guys do it but we're speedrunning into idiocracy by the way yeah just speedrunning run into it but you found the quickest way to it I've found and this might be a hot take but I really like
sonnet 4.5 and like some of the dumber models uh-huh because they don't take initiative and I love that because they just do what they're told and they're not and they're not like you're using react let me go ahead and just install next JS and let me go ahead and just do this and do this and do this let me change the pattern of the code based now I asked you to rename a file and it like does a react to do app on the side and I'm like no no no what do we do yeah that is a big problem I've started using a extra high thinking with codex and it's like what if I thought for like two hours straight and generated a shitload of files yeah and like uh the thing that I want you
to solve you didn't even touch but now we're working on them it's like what if we took the atom and remade it wait then the basis of the react code that I'm writing can be built on new matter dark matter like have you uh this codex show reasoning traces mean like show everything you see every block yeah I didn't know that because I know like I think Claude doesn't show it or something like they've been summarizing more so yeah pie shows everything too yeah I love pie I gotta try pie I think you're telling me like like for your lyrics like dude yeah pie did not mean that as a joke but that is funny even your mantra and all the things that you're into pie is the hardest
for you it's the most hackable it's the one that's closest to the metal you bring our all your own tools and opinions to it yeah yeah oh were you talking to me about that what did we have a conversation about pie yesterday I think we did probably he talks about pie I do talk about pie it's like an arch Linux user he's like hey have you heard a pie yeah they're a whole community they're all introducing the pie it's so fun no pie is great I love pie because you can ask pie about itself and that's something I've been trying to like replicate with open code yeah built into it we've gotten it yes don't do it oh wait the another thing um I don't know why I thought of this
I love open code on omachi because I can say oh yeah dude hey go update something and it pulls the omachi skill oh it's beautiful oh that's nice it's beautiful because I was trying to configure t-mux and and stuff like that to have it everything like perfectly bound yep and I was like hey dictating of course I would end time I'm in wow I'm in yeah and I probably I have something else that's the eighth graders can't type on a keyboard well that I mean we'll talk about that in a bit but like what if we don't need to type you know like in the future anyways we'll get this it um the mouse is still going to be around oh one hundred percent one I'm a big
believer in the mouse or trackpad I love a good trackpad um but no it like modified omachi just for itself and I was like hey can you build like a can you make my home screen show Jacksonville's like weather and like day and then like take that information pipe it into an LLM at the start of every day to kind of give me like a vibe for the day oh and it just like every morning I mean obviously I'm using opus 4.7 so it costs like 18 bucks for that every day token acting of course let's go x high reasoning for the weather report what is the weather it says cloudy but isn't really cloudy if it's all right let me rinse a human to go look for me yeah that is crazy
didn't they get acquired like the room shut the fuck up they got acquired oh really I don't know I thought they did they might have I talked about it the day it was announced and that was the last time I thought about let me look it up yeah damn it's not a terrible idea yeah but it's like Uber but it's a robots hiring us to do its chores yeah okay I don't think they got a part oh they raised they raised $5 million oh my god million it was a fucking joke yeah but when you go viral you go oh hey I got viral shit who wants to be the name that's associated with it okay I'll take your money it's really true like if I was ever broke and I I got fired from open code which
probably happens every day and I had like no other prospects keep bullying alive I would I would just like think of the most absurd idea ever like a clue Lee or like sperm racing idea level and bid just like you know what this win viral I'm now raising money for it and then take the $5 million and disappear oh I'm sorry the investment didn't work out the company went under my house like I never got a investment money start up yeah I worked at like three of those places yeah the founders take the money and run yeah always man 5 million goes quick though so yeah that's what I'm saying like with money has become so diluted just like in terms like someone's like oh I raised
a million dollars and I'm like bro you raised one Mr. Beast video worth like like and this might be just showing that I'm like entitled or something but like I feel like $10,000 isn't like a lot of money anymore like you know like you know you know like Mr. Beast in a video I have it doesn't put it in it yeah my my anthropic bill man it's like $400 million you know because Mr. Beast did a video where he was like $25,000 if you stay in this store for like 30 days I'm like who's gonna end this year but I'm gonna pick you up my job yeah just not working yeah but I have to quit my job no thanks yeah can you work while you're in there no no you good and you
like put your job and I'm like one is it a one month PGO and then that's it yeah yeah yeah yeah doesn't make any sense but let's talk about the future of not typing because dictations off where it's getting really really good I don't like it you don't why not the time to think I think with my hands this is typecraft he likes to type yeah that's after dark there's a silent in there it's crap crap crap all right new channel name everyone that's a crap after a typecraft after hour yeah we're gonna dictate baby no but I find dictation really helpful with the thinking because when I'm looking at my computer I'm a very visual
thinker like if I'm like oh literally simulate how I would do a prompt I'm like okay build a react app where we have a landing page with a large prompt box that has a reasoning selector in the bottom left corner with a send button in the bottom right corner it needs to be small enough and I'm like thinking sort of visually interesting and that's a personality type allows that is a personality type to like describe it and it usually with AI it basically one shots it it's gonna bug your spouse you know I think way better with my hands I can I can type it better than I can type it better I could say a big hand dude yeah my brain is slow that's it my my
typing speed is slow so it slows down to match my brain yeah the same reason like people who hand-write things are able to remember them better and maybe even write better because the slowing down is really healthy for you to actually finish the thought that you're thinking because there's a lot of times especially if you've got ADD or something like that where like you can talk a lot faster than your brain and then your brain and then you're saying dick right yes how often you regret things you said and that's one of the things it's like when you're typing you get this time to like reread what you wrote and then read to be like oh you know what actually
read it though you know it anytime I'm sending a message I send it and then I go oops and I go and that's what I'll be undue thing and open god I'm like I never use the undo and this is why I like warp because I can go in and edit the paragraph like it's a fucking modern 20 to it I can click into it you know I don't have to yeah you know all whatever game to be able to click we have clicking you can click it in an editor on rich text box you oh it's a rich text I don't work you sir I don't like it open Microsoft word I don't like an open code where it's like you're trying to select stuff and it is auto copy is it that there's an environment very will to turn it
off oh okay and when you paste more than three lines it does like the paste stuff after it I want to be like this this this this this okay you still can't put a period and then you just keep writing I want it to be I don't want to read it I want to be like the stuff I was talking about and then yeah I like that I say please do this here's the ticket I paste that and I say also don't make mistakes at the bottom so that's I yeah that's how I know be a senior engineer yeah don't imagine you are a senior engineer implementing this yeah no but were you guys at the the hot take thing yesterday with uh yeah with doc this is there was a there was a guy who asked
like it wasn't a hot take it was a hot question do you remember this where it was how are junior engineers gonna go through all the pain that senior engineers go through yeah just no like what to actually implement because like I wouldn't consider myself senior they were like I've done enough to know like okay but an API exists it needs some sort of rate limiting it needs some sort of law it knows good air prevention they're not even going to learn how to read yeah I think they're problems are right oh what are you coded well I can't read dude they're just gonna paste a TikTok yeah like copy yeah that's a great I I should do that like your prompt is
only tiktok that's a great idea man you see the IDE that auto pulls up tiktok for you or try or whatever like you can just sit there and like Peru's brain rot brain rot or the video games little place so you got like Mario starts jumping along the bottom of the box that's what you need pie for so you can do some cool while it's like yeah yeah that is well I mean I hate to like chill it but open code 2.0 has two plugins so then you can now you get full capability of the chewy so um one of our windows guys Luke um you know like the old DOS windows like where it was like black blue and white yes like old DOS colors he made open code looks like an old DOS machine with
like warping and everything like that that's so cool so I want to make like some really cool stuff I love it I know yeah it's great how do you know what DOS is I was thinking the same thing man you guys bet I bet you guys don't know I think I don't know what cobal is and all that other stuff I took a cobalt class no I took a cobalt fake actually yeah I've had in college I took two classes of cobalt intro in advance and the reason that those classes existed was because there was a professor who's actually I knew him before but he was a professor and he was like cobalt is the best job to go into as a CS student because nobody knows it and everyone is hiring for it especially
IBM demand a sign yeah like one of my buddies got a 140k base um IBM job like straight out of college just for knowing like the theory of cobalt he didn't know anything about it but he like knew the theory of like what cobalt was and he was open to learn it very cool yeah it's so crazy they're saying there's cobalt engineers making insane money my dad he's a cobalt engineer okay yeah he's like and it's so funny because every couple years um he says like management comes in and it's like we're gonna refactor everything to Java it's gonna be the best thing ever and they don't yeah no it never happens no this is a big salty problem yeah IBM because like
anthropic was like cobalt's dead you don't need mainframes you're done and our stock went down like 40% they're like oh damn and are you actually at IBM yes I am yeah yeah I worked for Hashi Corp so I we're required IBM yeah Hashi Corp right yeah but yeah it's like you actually still read it no one's moving off of it like show me someone who's successfully moved off of it and is happy and good and also notice all these like hacks that are happening never touch like ZOS like the mainframe software yeah and it's like the mainframe is so incredibly secure it's insane how like good it is like after I play with it a little bit I'm like oh man it's a pain in the
but once you learn it it doesn't break like ever it it's so funny because back in the day they had sword space was like a luxury you know the second that code worked they would compile it delete the source code and keep the binary because they're like well the code works why what do we need the source code nobody's ever gonna touch this again and now that's what they're having to that's what inthropics trying to sell to like like all these cobalt companies it's like a decompiler thing reverse engineering code isn't very good at it oh yeah well it's not very good at listening to simple commands yeah it doesn't even it can't even build like a nice react app either without
like a thousand use states yeah yeah I mean I'm still using it all the time but like yeah I'm always like you're dumb this is wrong fix it yeah and it's like you're right you told me that last time and I'm like yeah you don't remember we talked about it five minutes ago oh you're right you're right you're right it's so annoying and then you guys just called it AGI but then you admit that it doesn't remember to ship from five minutes ago we're not talking about memory no think about people if you tell someone hi my name is Kyle they're not gonna yeah I don't even know your name I forget his name at the time yeah I suck at names nope I feel seems to craft human memory sucks too
if we're gonna be honest it's so bad that we heard about the LLNs being given the mirror test but so so if you know if an animal has consciousness by putting it in a mirror if it goes in front of a mirror and you put it next to other if it can identify itself in the mirror it knows what I is yeah it has a sense of self and can identify itself amongst other right species of the same thing so they're like okay let's test of LLNs have consciousness they if created these wild mirroring tests where can it identify its own things that it said just recently and so they put it in in front of a mirror and it's kind of wild usually they fail yeah but occasionally they
pass because they start passing little flags and sigils that they're like oh no this is my sigil that's social to showed up again that means it must be me or they know that the LLNs are trained to be kind of flagrant with their big words and so they'll be like oh wait this is a big word that I tend to often use I found an imdash I found an imdash but I kind of wild they're trying to find the consciousness levels like where is it right now because really it's just a word vomit machine yeah it doesn't even know why it put a period there yeah you know it's all probabilistic it's so funny people don't know the the origination of AI it was supposed to be text compaction it was
supposed to take take here's a trillion words right we're gonna put it in a trillion words is let's say we'll call it a gigabyte right here's a trillion words we'll put that trillion words into a 500 megabyte file that can then generate and regurgitate the trillion words and it's a text compression thing that's what the original stuff was done with like AI research because they were like okay what if we take this book what if we can fit it into a two megabyte file that knows everything about the book yeah and then it was just like sort of generative from there it's like okay well what if we take a trillion bucks okay what if we take all the websites on earth what if we
legally and license all the photos on earth we definitely don't just steal everything what if we scrape the entire internet but it was all from like text compression and if you weren't around and like the early gbt 3 days and like messing around like the open AI playground yeah you wouldn't know that it's just like next word completion stuff because like yeah where you guys a vector database you guys played around with that and like the early days where you would like see it like oh it's like it's completing this yeah now it's so like those are red violets are blue yeah yeah yeah and I loved that era because it was so token light yeah that you could just like have that like
like I like it feels like a vibe thing you could like put in like today the weather's xyz and the vibe is feeling blank and it would just put the vibe in on based on the weather you wouldn't have to do a whole like tool call yeah reasoning and everything like yeah yeah for real yeah everyone has a skill because I've been back there and I like at the end of everyone's speech they're like now we also did this with AI and we have a skill you can download it here I'm like would you say we have a skill issue I think we do I got mugged by the skill master yeah do you all ever ask the LLM to show you the probability of what it wrote no what do you mean no okay you can because it's
just a probability word vomit machine so you can literally as a expose exposed to me tell me the probability of this answer and if you want creativity so this is a creativity tip y'all if you're doing design or you want something different from everybody else yeah you ask it for the five most probable answers that it will give to your prompt and it will just tell them to because it doesn't fucking care or no and you're like oh use the five things I would have said to that with the percentage of the likelihood that saying that and then you I basically start at the body yeah because everybody else is starting at the top all they get is the most mainstream most probable
answer and so if I want to be different than everybody else I basically say exposed to me this show me the alternatives there were also and I'll pick the more kind of creative thing right yeah and I'll work my way up to the more probabilistic one if I need to but for creativity that's a really good hack no I like that expose it it's that's interesting because like have you guys seen that Adam was on like UI data sage plugin I haven't I got access and went to the homepage and was I'm oddly not given a shit right now yeah I bounced so I tested it out and it's not good at design it's good at minimal design which I think it's good for everyone thinks it's good design because
AI is so over the top now when someone sees like a minimal like max with 5xl site they're like the Patrick Bateman like yeah that's like what I made for Robbie the other day he's like this looks so good and like it's it's because like a one shot it I explicitly ask for minimal I have like a whole phrasing that I do yeah to get it to not go into the pit of dad genuinely degrading please design me a site that's dual tone max with 5xl has only text and minimal boxes and imagery you basically get the same site like every time but like looks good by modern standards just because it doesn't have like this stupid screen or the annoying if you pick any font that isn't one of the
top like 50 mainstream fonts you have taste yeah because it's like typography really matters really yeah like look at our agent to it over there they've got instrument Sarah that's like the go to like a Sarah font even or uses it I see like or a ring using like that font and then like really if we could pick any font other than the top 10 fonts in the world everyone would be better there you go tell me that percentage thing be like show me the percentage of fonts that you would have picked man I want to use that that's really good I like that yeah all right well we should get lunch before lunches no longer a thing let's go eat yeah let's go eat I like it
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