RobbieTheWagner 
Charles William Carpenter III 
Adam Argyle [00:00:00] Intro: Welcome to Syntax. Welcome to a brand new episode of the Front End Happy Hour podcast. Welcome to this week’s JS Party. Live from Ship Shape Studios, this is Whiskey Web and Whatnot. With your hosts, Robbie the Wagner, and me, Charles William Carpenter III. That’s right Charles. We drink whiskey and talk about web development.
[00:00:27] Intro: I mean, it’s all in the name. It’s not that deep. This is Whiskey Web and Whatnot. Do not adjust your set.
[00:00:36] Robbie Wagner: Hey, what’s up everybody? Welcome to Tequila Tech and tangents a special edition of Whiskey Web and whatnot with your sometimes hosts, you’re probably confused these days, but it’s RobbieTheWagner, and Charles, William Carpenter the third.
[00:00:51] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, you’re always here. We always have to see your dumb face, but
[00:00:54] Chuck Carpenter: here
[00:00:55] Robbie Wagner: not always. When you did, uh, lots of live ones. You did them without me,
[00:00:59] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. [00:01:00] That’s true. Fair enough.
[00:01:02] Chuck Carpenter: Anyway, let’s move on to the guest. It’s not about you,
[00:01:04] Chuck Carpenter: man.
[00:01:04] Robbie Wagner: I know.
[00:01:05] Ali Diamond: Hi everyone. I’m Allie. You could find me online everywhere at to ending with Allie on everything including Minecraft.
[00:01:12] Chuck Carpenter: Yes. I have to test that. My son is very in the Minecraft and so, , yeah, we’ll have to find you
[00:01:17] Chuck Carpenter: there.
[00:01:18] Robbie Wagner: Is Minecraft a programming language? That’s our first question.
[00:01:21] Ali Diamond: uh, no. They use, it’s Java and Lua. I think they use Lua now for Moding,
[00:01:27] Ali Diamond: but
[00:01:27] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I know. It’s just a joke.
[00:01:29] Chuck Carpenter: Hmm.
[00:01:30] Ali Diamond: I take it very seriously. I haven’t played Minecraft in a while, but it is a great game. And it’s also like, I love saying like and Minecraft because it’s like, because I can get my name everywhere.
[00:01:41] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.
[00:01:41] Ali Diamond: No one expects it.
[00:01:43] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, that’s true. I had never even thought about that. There’s no way I could get my name on Minecraft at this point. It’s like
[00:01:48] Chuck Carpenter: that
[00:01:49] Robbie Wagner: You could get Charles, William Carpenter the third.
[00:01:51] Chuck Carpenter: possibly. You think? Because I’m not sure. I’m not,
[00:01:54] Chuck Carpenter: I’m
[00:01:54] Robbie Wagner: You think there’s another one? There probably is another one. Somewhere
[00:01:57] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. So there’s also that. [00:02:00] Yeah, I do, , the number three. So it’s Charles WTHE three RD.
[00:02:06] Chuck Carpenter: That’s the way I’ve been able to like work around it a little bit lately. I used to have just Chuck Carpenter everywhere, and then I rage quit things like 10 years ago. And then when you came back to some of those things, it turns out I lost ‘em all. So , don’t make that mistake is what I would
[00:02:21] Ali Diamond: why I lost my telegram,
[00:02:22] Chuck Carpenter: Uh, yeah.
[00:02:24] Ali Diamond: so
[00:02:24] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Fair
[00:02:25] Chuck Carpenter: enough. No. Yeah. I won’t find, I won’t look for you there.
[00:02:29] Chuck Carpenter: Just on signal. , Yeah, I don’t know
[00:02:32] Chuck Carpenter: on anything.
[00:02:33] Ali Diamond: me only on Twitter and Instagram,
[00:02:36] Chuck Carpenter: Yes, that’s reasonable. We’ll go with that.
[00:02:39] Chuck Carpenter: Alright. , Let’s,
[00:02:41] Chuck Carpenter: I
[00:02:41] Robbie Wagner: What are we drinking,
[00:02:42] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, let’s start with the booze. Okay. So I know I’m gonna say this long, the wrong esp
[00:02:47] Robbie Wagner: and Long
[00:02:50] Chuck Carpenter: tequila Blanco, uh, it is made up with c , 100% Piot, agave, , it just says [00:03:00] pure O on my bottle ‘cause I bought it in Italy, I think. , So it’s a hundred percent agave, double distilled, 40 proof, and 80% alcohol. Yeah. I love the pop. Uh, yeah. Yeah.
[00:03:11] Ali Diamond: Okay, don’t spill. Don’t spill. Don’t spill.
[00:03:13] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. It’s all fun and games till you spill on your desk.
[00:03:17] Ali Diamond: Ugh. I have three cup holders on this desk. Just so I’ll never spill.
[00:03:24] Chuck Carpenter: That’s excellent.
[00:03:25] Ali Diamond: Okay. Also, I’m just gonna let the audience know I am making a mixed drink
[00:03:29] Ali Diamond: because
[00:03:30] Chuck Carpenter: you’re not even gonna try it straight first.
[00:03:32] Ali Diamond: I’ll take a shot.
[00:03:34] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. Do it.
[00:03:35] Ali Diamond: Okay.
[00:03:36] Chuck Carpenter: do that. Yeah, we’ll do that. ,
[00:03:37] Robbie Wagner: I maybe poured too much for that,
[00:03:38] Ali Diamond: no, I’ll just do it from the bottle. Okay.
[00:03:41] Chuck Carpenter: oh, fair enough.
[00:03:42] Ali Diamond: It’s so tiny. Cheers.
[00:03:44] Chuck Carpenter: Ste. Uh, not bad. Yeah, it’s definitely very,
[00:03:51] Chuck Carpenter: very
[00:03:51] Robbie Wagner: I braced myself for that to be very bad, and it was not that
[00:03:55] Chuck Carpenter: No, it’s not. It’s like, it’s kind of refreshing and definitely has a limes [00:04:00] to it. I don’t know. We usually, I know that you listen, uh, and watch our show all the time. Nice. Is that
[00:04:08] Ali Diamond: I love you so much.
[00:04:09] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Is that grapefruit or is that something else?
[00:04:11] Ali Diamond: This is their new flavor, cranberry punch.
[00:04:14] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. All right. Worth trying. I’m a big fan of the Paloma cocktail though,
[00:04:18] Robbie Wagner: They have alcoholic spin drift now too,
[00:04:21] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, we, I don’t have Costco or Spin Drift or anything else probably,
[00:04:26] Chuck Carpenter: but,
[00:04:27] Robbie Wagner: Yeah,
[00:04:28] Robbie Wagner: but you have wine for like one euro,
[00:04:31] Chuck Carpenter: it’s so cheap, the wine here, so this is an amazing thing. Yeah. So usually we pretend like we know about alcohol and we’ll smell it and, you know, say words and give it a taste and we give it a rating.
[00:04:42] Chuck Carpenter: You probably already know this as an avid fan of the show. of course yes. So Robbie will tell you what our rating system is.
[00:04:51] Robbie Wagner: not even gonna talk about how it smells or tastes or anything.
[00:04:53] Chuck Carpenter: You do you wanna jump right into
[00:04:55] Ali Diamond: we could do
[00:04:55] Robbie Wagner: No, I had some jokes prepared. Like, oh, it smells like, you know, when everyone’s at [00:05:00] the bar and someone makes a bad decision and we should all have tequila shots or like, I don’t know. Anyway,
[00:05:06] Chuck Carpenter: Well, no,
[00:05:06] Ali Diamond: I, should I just apologize to the audience first because they asked, they’re like, what whiskey do you like? And I’m like, I don’t, I don’t like whiskey. , So I just feel like I wouldn’t do whiskey, the whiskey aficionados justice by sitting here and cringing every time I had to take a sip. And I was like, what about tequila?
[00:05:27] Ali Diamond: And they were like, absolutely. so
[00:05:31] Chuck Carpenter: Well,
[00:05:31] Chuck Carpenter: it’s a
[00:05:32] Robbie Wagner: We’re accommodating.
[00:05:33] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. We want you to have a good time. you wouldn’t enjoy that and you probably wouldn’t drink very much of it. And taking the wheels off is half the fun. And then the second thing is it gives us an opportunity to come up with like clever little, like we’ve done rum react and ramblings, and now we have, yeah.
[00:05:49] Chuck Carpenter: So we did a wine one maybe one time, I
[00:05:51] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:05:52] Robbie Wagner: Just wine, web and whatnot from, uh, all things open. Catch us doing that again in October.
[00:05:58] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. , US meaning Robbie? I [00:06:00] cannot fly back quite yet.
[00:06:02] Chuck Carpenter: but I’m gonna
[00:06:03] Robbie Wagner: they would allow you, but your family would probably be upset.
[00:06:05] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:06:06] Ali Diamond: really far.
[00:06:09] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.
[00:06:09] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. To Raleigh. I’m gonna go to New York at some point
[00:06:13] Ali Diamond: Oh my God. When you’re here, let me know.
[00:06:15] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. We’ll do, yeah, my companies. Okay. Uh, yeah.
[00:06:19] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. Do they, do they open at like 5:00 PM for early bird specials, stuff like that? You know, I’m old,
[00:06:27] Ali Diamond: you know they open at like noon?
[00:06:29] Chuck Carpenter: yeah. Okay. Well,
[00:06:30] Chuck Carpenter: that’s
[00:06:30] Ali Diamond: need a 5:00 PM bar. The happy hour starts at 5:00 PM The bars are all rolling by five.
[00:06:35] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. Fair enough. I’m open, , yeah, my company’s CEO is based there and we do like, , meet in persons twice a year, and New York is the next one, so,
[00:06:45] Chuck Carpenter: yeah. Very nice. Yeah. Don’t you, you live there, right? Yes.
[00:06:50] Chuck Carpenter: So that’s good. If you hated it, that would be problematic. All right. So. I would ask you to, uh, sniff and get notes, but [00:07:00] it would be cranberry, I think. Wait, I can wait. Hold on. I keep like making the worst faces trying to open this.
[00:07:06] Ali Diamond: oh my god, my, my nose. Isn’t this like, good for this? , I would say that comparative to most liquors that you smell, it doesn’t punch as spirit forward in a way that would like burn the back of your throat when you smell it. It’s very gentle.
[00:07:23] Ali Diamond: I’m gonna say the word grassy, that’s what comes to my mind.
[00:07:26] Ali Diamond: But, I know that somewhere in the comments someone’s gonna be like, it’s never had an aggressing note in its life. She doesn’t know what she’s talking about. No, I don’t. I
[00:07:34] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. None of us do. it’s
[00:07:35] Chuck Carpenter: all
[00:07:35] Chuck Carpenter: it’s
[00:07:35] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. Agave is just a big grass, right?
[00:07:38] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, it is. It does have like very, like, you know when you get sunburned and then like you have to get that green gel stuff that has aloe in it. Yes. But specific to the green gel, not just go smell an aloe plant, which I know you can break
[00:07:53] Chuck Carpenter: them
[00:07:53] Chuck Carpenter: and
[00:07:53] Chuck Carpenter: kind of get the
[00:07:54] Chuck Carpenter: same. Yeah. I don’t know, but it smells
[00:07:56] Robbie Wagner: does kind of, now that you mention it.
[00:07:58] Chuck Carpenter: I know I have the power of [00:08:00] suggestion,
[00:08:00] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. It also smells like a Big Mac to me.
[00:08:05] Chuck Carpenter: you
[00:08:05] Robbie Wagner: No,
[00:08:07] Ali Diamond: Quiet.
[00:08:08] Robbie Wagner: I’m just, I’m just kidding. I was seeing if I could make you smell that, but No, probably
[00:08:12] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. The power of suggestion does sometimes work. It’s What about like dried apricots?
[00:08:18] Chuck Carpenter: Do you
[00:08:18] Robbie Wagner: Oh, so much of that. No, actually none of that. This time. None of that? Yeah.
[00:08:22] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I just get that like allo gel and then the taste is very smooth. Tequila. It is
[00:08:28] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.
[00:08:29] Chuck Carpenter: you know, it is only 40 proof, sorry, 40% alcohol, 80 proof.
[00:08:34] Chuck Carpenter: I’ve got it, uh, backwards there. ‘cause it would get real weird if it was 160 proof.
[00:08:41] Ali Diamond: The thing I like about tequila versus like a vodka and like the, the, the darker browner liquors, like we could talk about, that’s a whole different experience for me. But like, compared to vodka, like this to me has a, a nicer flavor, but also it’s easier for you to get tequila [00:09:00] that won’t hurt on the way down versus like a vodka that won’t be as aggressive or as harsh.
[00:09:06] Ali Diamond: But it’s still, you can still have really great drinks with tequila.
[00:09:11] Chuck Carpenter: yeah. Because you can still feel like you’re drinking alcohol. What I don’t like about like really high quality vodka is basically, the better the vodka is, the more it kind of fades away and then becomes nothing. So you’re just tasting the mixer. It’s like, I want this thing to get me drunk. Great. Good for you.
[00:09:29] Chuck Carpenter: But I want to like experience a different flavor, so I would agree with that. I do typically like an anejo though, so I want a little bit of age, a little bit of brown in there. , Just to kind of, you know, diversify a little.
[00:09:41] Ali Diamond: I don’t know the difference.
[00:09:43] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah.
[00:09:44] Ali Diamond: sorry.
[00:09:46] Chuck Carpenter: No,
[00:09:46] Robbie Wagner: No, no, it’s fine.
[00:09:47] Robbie Wagner: I know nothing about tequila. This one, , is not too bad.
[00:09:51] Robbie Wagner: Let’s go into the rating system. So we have zero.
[00:09:53] Chuck Carpenter: Let’s do
[00:09:53] Ali Diamond: yeah. Tell me.
[00:09:54] Robbie Wagner: Zero to eight tentacles. Zero being the worst. You never wanna drink it. Wouldn’t clean your toilet with [00:10:00] it. Eight. This is all I want. Clear the shelves. Buy it all the time. Four. Middle of the road.
[00:10:05] Robbie Wagner: , Yeah. Kind of pretty
[00:10:07] Chuck Carpenter: And, and that’s it.
[00:10:08] Robbie Wagner: Chuck will go first.
[00:10:09] Chuck Carpenter: I will go first. So
[00:10:11] Chuck Carpenter: we have drinking problems. Me in particular. , So I try to categorize things like I rate it. So I would be rating this against other tequilas, and then it gets even worse because I’ve had enough tequilas that I will rate this against other lanco tequilas. And, , and I actually, like, I’m surprised, I actually quite enjoy this. , I think it’s like we took those shots and there was no grimace face whatsoever. I think it’s a pleasant, clean taste without being overbearing. There’s a small baron, but nothing crazy. So like, and the price point, at least for me, was pretty incredible.
[00:10:47] Chuck Carpenter: This was the most expensive tequila they had at the grocery
[00:10:51] Ali Diamond: Oh, no,
[00:10:52] Chuck Carpenter: as a luga, which was 20 euros. Yeah. Out of my choices, this was the best.
[00:10:58] Ali Diamond: I paid 20 bucks.
[00:10:59] Chuck Carpenter: [00:11:00] Yeah. But you got half as much.
[00:11:01] Chuck Carpenter: Ooh.
[00:11:03] Robbie Wagner: I don’t know how much mine was ‘cause my wife bought it for me.
[00:11:05] Chuck Carpenter: yeah. You have no idea. She just, I mean, yeah. Uh, so. All of those things actually like really shine for me. I actually take price into account because if you’re selling me something for $60, that is gross, that’s problematic.
[00:11:19] Chuck Carpenter: If things are even like worse than that, and then it’s like, what are you doing? Or it’s just not good enough, you, you charge me a hundred dollars and this $30 thing is just as good. So I really like this. I’m gonna give this out of an eight like wood grab. Again, easily. Would love to try this in a Paloma, I’m gonna say six and a half.
[00:11:39] Robbie Wagner: Nice.
[00:11:40] Chuck Carpenter: Ally, do you feel prepared to enter our complex rating system now that you know that like halves or random numbers are available to you as well?
[00:11:51] Ali Diamond: What if I just like really threw like a, a twist out there.
[00:11:55] Chuck Carpenter: I’m, I’m
[00:11:55] Chuck Carpenter: into
[00:11:56] Robbie Wagner: Go for it.
[00:11:56] Ali Diamond: So I’ve had nicer [00:12:00] tequilas in the past for the net gala, which is an event that I throw, I always buy myself a handle of like a very high quality tequila. Last year was 1942. This year was ca both of those were both spectacular tequilas that I really enjoyed.
[00:12:14] Ali Diamond: Drinking, could take shots at those very easily, went down very easily. Didn’t burn too much, but honestly like looking at the price versus like quality wise, I’ve also agreed like I’m putting this somewhere in a six just because it is that amazing. It is that good. It’s like, you know, not the highest quality, but it doesn’t like make me miserable drinking.
[00:12:36] Ali Diamond: It still has a very good flavor. So I’m gonna throw a Tao out there just to be different.
[00:12:41] Chuck Carpenter: Okay.
[00:12:42] Ali Diamond: pie.
[00:12:43] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at you.
[00:12:45] Ali Diamond: I said I’m gonna be weird about it.
[00:12:47] Chuck Carpenter: no, no, that’s okay. Like this is a show for, you know, nerdy techies, right? We’re all in that space, so I think that’s, that’s a good way to go. That’s clever.
[00:12:58] Ali Diamond: Thank you.
[00:12:59] Robbie Wagner: I have to [00:13:00] say this is one of the better tequilas I’ve had. Maybe I haven’t had good ones, I don’t know. But like anytime someone has forced me to drink tequila before at a bar or something, I’m always hating it. And I don’t hate this, like I like drinking this. Okay. So I think I’m kind of in the same range of like, I don’t know what the best would be, but I six and a half seems appropriate.
[00:13:19] Ali Diamond: Oh
[00:13:19] Ali Diamond: my God, we’re so synced up. We’re so aligned.
[00:13:21] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, I think we need to like take Robbie on the tequila adventure at some point in the future. That’s what it sounds
[00:13:28] Robbie Wagner: Sure.
[00:13:28] Chuck Carpenter: like, yeah, because other spirits are actually really good. Robbie, I don’t know if you know this, he’s just always, I just drink whiskey ‘cause it’s easy. Or he drinks,
[00:13:38] Robbie Wagner: No, I don’t drink whiskey actually. You drink whiskey? I drink whiskey for the show and then I drink wine, or mostly wine, I guess. I don’t like
[00:13:46] Chuck Carpenter: Uh, alcoholic Fresca, you drink
[00:13:49] Robbie Wagner: Alcoholic Fresca is good.
[00:13:51] Ali Diamond: makes alcoholic drinks.
[00:13:52] Chuck Carpenter: Yes, they
[00:13:53] Chuck Carpenter: do. And
[00:13:54] Ali Diamond: Oh my God. Spindrift just cut down there. Sorry. I, I follow Spindrift [00:14:00] very, they just dropped their alcoholic line and I’m pretty sad about it,
[00:14:03] Ali Diamond: so
[00:14:04] Ali Diamond: I’ll need a fine replacement.
[00:14:05] Robbie Wagner: Hmm.
[00:14:06] Chuck Carpenter: Fresca is worth exploring. Like Fresca feels like such a undervalued brand. Like I, I loved Fresca in high school. It was like really into it, kind of like, I don’t know what, what happened. They still kept making it. I stopped drinking it, I don’t know. And then, I don’t know, a couple years ago, like saw it in the store, started jumping back on like, this is amazing and it tastes good.
[00:14:28] Chuck Carpenter: It’s zero calories. Like this is a, people are all over Laqua. . Fresca is where it’s at. It’s good. And then Robbie introduced me to the alcoholic version and it’s amazing.
[00:14:41] Ali Diamond: Can you get it where you’re at? The alcoholic version?
[00:14:44] Chuck Carpenter: probably not well,
[00:14:46] Robbie Wagner: Seems like something they would not have in Italy, but I don’t
[00:14:49] Chuck Carpenter: Well, I haven’t seen Fresca at all here yet, but, never say never, but I take back that I haven’t seen like regular drinks, but alcohol [00:15:00] versions of it.
[00:15:00] Chuck Carpenter: So there, there’s a little bit of that. There’s a lot less. I was actually pretty pleasantly surprised ‘cause there’s no Diet Coke here and there’s no like diet sodas whatsoever. You
[00:15:12] Robbie Wagner: because they can’t do
[00:15:13] Chuck Carpenter: get Sprite. Yeah, yeah. That’s all like banned. So it’s like,
[00:15:17] Chuck Carpenter: ooh,
[00:15:18] Robbie Wagner: as it should be.
[00:15:19] Ali Diamond: It’s been ages since I’ve been to Italy.
[00:15:22] Chuck Carpenter: Oh well, , they still eat a lot of pizza.
[00:15:25] Chuck Carpenter: I mean, I eat pizza and gelato multiple times per week when I’m here and usually lose weight, which is pretty amazing. So I’m, I’m all about that food quality. Great. so they don’t have those things, but I did find Monster recently, and I’m sure there’s a slightly different formulation, but, you know, sometimes when it’s been a, you know, didn’t sleep well, rough night, long drive, I don’t know, something like that.
[00:15:49] Chuck Carpenter: I grab a monster and they do have that,
[00:15:51] Ali Diamond: I’ve been on like a Celsius Alani new kick here.
[00:15:55] Ali Diamond: Really Yurba mate. I love a
[00:15:58] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, mate is amazing.
[00:15:59] Ali Diamond: [00:16:00] love a good yrb.
[00:16:02] Chuck Carpenter: in Argentina they say JBA mate. Jba mate. Yeah. I don’t know, I don’t care if , how people pronounce it, but it is kind of a funny thing.
[00:16:10] Ali Diamond: Yeah.
[00:16:11] Chuck Carpenter: Alright, so now we move to the part of the show called Hot Takes. we ask you some. I don’t know. It, it’s usually stuff people argue about, , on Twitter about, so,
[00:16:23] Ali Diamond: like I’m the worst at this because I don’t wanna say I’m the least argumentative person on Twitter, but I just like, don’t really post my hot takes that often. slash I don’t feel like I try to go after hot takes. People ask me like what my edgiest take is in tech and things like that.
[00:16:39] Ali Diamond: , Generally they’re very gentle. I, my hot takes are very gentle. Like one of my hot takes is like, if you’re A junior engineer or like a mid-level engineer, it doesn’t matter what language that you’re writing, as long as you’re learning whatever language you need to get the job done. What’s more important is like understanding, , the paradigms and patterns of [00:17:00] coding more than anything else, so that then you can jump into whatever work needs to be done.
[00:17:04] Ali Diamond: And that allows you more breadth of opportunities unless like you are someone who’s going into like hardware or like compiler optimization, where you need to understand the, like, deep fundamentals of assembly to make sure that your compiler runs fast enough. Like if you’re just doing regular backend of engineering, frontend engineering, it doesn’t matter the language, it doesn’t matter the library as long as you’re getting the job done.
[00:17:30] Chuck Carpenter: I would say that that in itself is a bit of a hot take
[00:17:34] Chuck Carpenter: and
[00:17:35] Chuck Carpenter: is why Yeah. Is that it is too pragmatic and that you would not fit in to San Francisco.
[00:17:43] Ali Diamond: Well, I don’t, I lived in San Francisco. I did it, I did San Francisco pre COVID.
[00:17:48] Ali Diamond: And I lived in a hacker house. I’ve done, I, my lore is dense and complex. There’s many things that I don’t
[00:17:53] Ali Diamond: talk about. but I, like I did the hacker house in San Francisco.
[00:17:58] Ali Diamond: I’ve lived with startup founders. I’ve [00:18:00] like technically been a startup founder myself. Like I’ve tried it all. I just think that there, there is like such single-mindedness in San Francisco and someone recently put on Twitter, they’re like, what would make San Francisco more tolerable?
[00:18:13] Ali Diamond: And I’m like looking down less onto people who are not in tech.
[00:18:17] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Or looking down less into people who don’t live there. Like what? You don’t have to be there
[00:18:24] Chuck Carpenter: to provide the Yeah. I mean, they definitely think so. They definitely think so. There’s a lot of that. And then you definitely have to participate into the circle jerk of libraries that all help each other become actual web frameworks rather than, I don’t know, just use Django or Rails or something if you’re trying to do that.
[00:18:42] Robbie Wagner: No, you can’t do that.
[00:18:43] Chuck Carpenter: You cannot do that. No, it is not cool anymore. anyway, hot takes, I think that is a little bit of a hot take, but I also fully embrace that same opinion, so I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Do you wanna pick one, Robbie, or,
[00:18:57] Robbie Wagner: yeah, I’m gonna start in the middle Mac [00:19:00] Os, or Linux,
[00:19:01] Ali Diamond: Oh, I have both. My daily
[00:19:03] Robbie Wagner: but which would you pick?
[00:19:05] Ali Diamond: Oh, I’m gonna have to pick a Mac and I can very easily justify it.
[00:19:09] Ali Diamond: technically in some nebulous way, the cybersecurity community has taken me under their wing. Um, and I’m very grateful. I love the cybersecurity community.
[00:19:19] Ali Diamond: If you wanna talk smart shit with smart people, just find anybody who works in cybersecurity and ask them what they focus on. And you will have like a five hour conversation of just the most esoteric, fascinating things about the internet and about technology. And it’s amazing. You could easily nerd snipe anybody who works in cybersecurity.
[00:19:39] Ali Diamond: So they’re all Linux pilled. And if I were to say Linux, they’re all very mad at me. Even when I’m on my cybersecurity news show, they’re all like, what do you mean you use mag? Like, oh my God, like you’re so locked into the ecosystem. And I’m like, at the end of the day, I’m not someone who cares a lot about deep customization of [00:20:00] my workspaces.
[00:20:01] Ali Diamond: I don’t really, I don’t have a lot of external tools. I’m not like, , hyper, like I don’t need my keyboard to sit some certain way. I don’t need this to show up in the corner there. I don’t need to be manipulating my bios when my computer loads up. Like that’s just not me. That’s never been me. Even when I was like an Android user and I’ve had like the ability to deeply customize my phone, it just like wasn’t something I was very interested in.
[00:20:27] Ali Diamond: , I don’t even know what my iPhone background is. Like I change it once a year. I just really don’t care about the customization of it, all that, deep ability to dive into the system in a way that many Linux users deeply appreciate. So something like Mac Os where , I still have a little bit of update trauma from a child and I could talk about this.
[00:20:44] Ali Diamond: It’s very interesting. but I just like don’t wanna have to think about like a lot of the issues that Linux puts on you as a user versus a lot of the issues that Mac takes away from you as a user.
[00:20:56] Robbie Wagner: It sounds like you like getting work done, which a lot of people don’t. [00:21:00] They like to configure things for a long time.
[00:21:03] Ali Diamond: yeah. I mean like why spend a hundred hours configuring your phone, configuring your desktop,
[00:21:09] Ali Diamond: and this is my other hot take. I don’t care what like text editor you’re using, as long as you’re getting your work done, don’t shame people for the way that they choose to use their technology.
[00:21:19] Ali Diamond: Because as a reminder, people, everybody is different. The way they learn, the way they process, the way that they work best is different. And you need to create equitable and kind spaces to allow people to find and function, , in their most optimized way. So being like, Ugh, you’re not using Vim. Who cares?
[00:21:39] Ali Diamond: Who cares? I’m using code. I’m still doing the same work as you.
[00:21:45] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, the output is kind of the same. And really at the end of the day, the output to whatever consumer of your thing, they don’t know any of that stuff and they do not give a shit.
[00:21:56] Ali Diamond: Yeah. Um.
[00:21:57] Chuck Carpenter: , There is that aspect too. So, but if you like [00:22:00] that, great. Go for you. I just am, I’m kind of in the same coat, you know, camp too.
[00:22:05] Chuck Carpenter: It’s like, I like to experiment here and there. Yes. Like I’ve been in the Mac ecosystem for a long time, basically because of that. Because I just wanted to get things done and I wanted to stop, like having to do updates or patches or whatever else. And you experiment here and there, but, uh, that’s just, you know, for funsies to get shit done.
[00:22:25] Chuck Carpenter: I’m very curious about this like, oh, Marchy thing that, DHH has going out though. That sounds like he’s kind of bringing Linux to that level where like
[00:22:36] Chuck Carpenter: he’s
[00:22:36] Chuck Carpenter: made a bunch of choices for you.
[00:22:38] Robbie Wagner: All the arch users are
[00:22:39] Robbie Wagner: oh my God, anyone can install
[00:22:41] Chuck Carpenter: now.
[00:22:41] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.
[00:22:42] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,
[00:22:42] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, yeah. Right.
[00:22:44] Ali Diamond: I am low key working on my own Linux version because I think it’d be really funnier. there’s the general Linux types that the most average user knows, like, you know, arch Debian, but do you know about Cali?[00:23:00]
[00:23:00] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.
[00:23:00] Ali Diamond: Yeah. , It, obviously Cali is not as popular for the general Linux population ‘cause Callie is optimized for the cybersecurity community.
[00:23:08] Ali Diamond: And I’m like, ha ha, Callie, Allie.
[00:23:13] Chuck Carpenter: Right. Yeah. Why not?
[00:23:15] Ali Diamond: I wanna make the most annoying version of Callie Linux possible. And so part of the way that I’ve been like trying to learn Like how to make your own Linux version is by essentially like live on Twitch. And I haven’t worked on this in a while, so, , it’s kind of a little stale right now by basically learning live on Twitch, how to make my own Kelly Linux version.
[00:23:37] Ali Diamond: , And one of the things, the last things that I worked on was like if you on your login and scream, type in your password wrong, it would just play a sound of me screaming.
[00:23:45] Ali Diamond: I think that would be really good.
[00:23:49] Chuck Carpenter: Oh my gosh.
[00:23:50] Ali Diamond: I want it to be annoying.
[00:23:52] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. Yeah. Fair
[00:23:53] Ali Diamond: Yeah. Ali Linox, Cali Linox phrase is like the quieter you get.
[00:23:59] Ali Diamond: , [00:24:00] Oh my God, why am I blanking out on it? There is a phrase for it, but mine was like, the quieter you get, the louder you become. Something
[00:24:06] Ali Diamond: like
[00:24:06] Ali Diamond: that.
[00:24:07] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. Yeah. I am not intimately aware of Cali Linux community or every, I’ve actually never installed it anywhere, but I did know it was like cybersecurity. And when you go to, I think they want you to come with laptops, , with its set up at most like cybersecurity conferences. They’re like, come with this.
[00:24:27] Chuck Carpenter: And then you, or it’s like Archer that,
[00:24:30] Ali Diamond: Yeah. I don’t know. The only cybersecurity conference, the cybersecurity conferences I’ve been to, I should say, have never told me a laptop to bring. If anything I like, I’ll just bring my Mac.
[00:24:41] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Well to be fair, I’ve only been to Cactus Con in Arizona ‘cause that’s where I used to live. And I went there because Jack Reiter was gonna be there and so he’s been on the show. I wanted to meet him in person, so I was like, hell yeah, I’m going there. And they have a whole kids track and I have children [00:25:00] and so I took my son and he went and like soldered aboard and did some cryptography stuff.
[00:25:05] Chuck Carpenter: That was really cool.
[00:25:06] Ali Diamond: Jack is like such a sweet, sweet guy. Every time I see him, he is always just like, you’re doing amazing. Thank you.
[00:25:14] Chuck Carpenter: He is like the epitome of positive. Like I don’t know if I’ve ever met a more positive person, so I do kind of dig that. Yeah.
[00:25:22] Chuck Carpenter: All right. Another hot take. Let’s see if we can do two. , This I think is a good one, especially given that this is a space you were in. Is Dere dead?
[00:25:32] Ali Diamond: Oh,
[00:25:35] Chuck Carpenter: Does it hurt too much? I mean, maybe we don’t go there. I don’t
[00:25:38] Ali Diamond: No, no, no. We can go there. We can go there.
[00:25:40] Ali Diamond: I don’t think that the umbrella of Dere is dead. I think that the Derel role has been split into several different roles and a lot of the things that companies expect when they hire a derel are [00:26:00] now technical content creators.
[00:26:01] Ali Diamond: So generally Derel, you could have been a very spectacular Devereux and not have a following and not be a content creator and not post on LinkedIn. And like some of the best DeVeres I know don’t have followings at all. , And they’ve been in the field for ages, but now when a modern company is looking for a Devra, they generally.
[00:26:26] Ali Diamond: Are looking for technical content creators. They’re not looking for people who know how to foster community give talks, , be involved in open source plan events. , Know how to engage with their community to get community feedback. Know how to, , contribute to docs in a meaningful way, know how to check analytics to figure out, oh, this is what I need to be focusing on for my community.
[00:26:52] Ali Diamond: Know how to niche down into what community groups they should be representing in doing reach out customer conversations. I feel like [00:27:00] that’s like, that’s like a different role now.
[00:27:02] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. It’s like more marketing forward, right? It feels like it’s more the ones that exist still and that are thriving in those roles, meaning they still have a job I feel like are so marketing forward
[00:27:16] Chuck Carpenter: versus like. Helping developers actually engage in the product in a meaningful way.
[00:27:23] Chuck Carpenter: Like no
[00:27:23] Robbie Wagner: Well, is that a developer advocate though?
[00:27:26] Chuck Carpenter: right.
[00:27:27] Chuck Carpenter: And what’s the difference?
[00:27:28] Chuck Carpenter: Well, I mean it’s like, well what’s the difference between like a software developer and a software engineer? I almost feel like it’s just like Yeah, exactly.
[00:27:37] Ali Diamond: there a difference?
[00:27:38] Chuck Carpenter: so I personally think like software engineer is a game that was played like a decade or so ago for like HR people to get people into the right, salary bands so that you can sort of chase. People to stop them from like bouncing around too much. , And then it still happened anyway, but like [00:28:00] we were all developers and then one day we had to become engineers because the salary bands kind of jumped up and you’re chasing talent and you’re trying to get them, and you had to like validate in some way.
[00:28:10] Chuck Carpenter: And so they went and found like, oh yeah, a software engineer, which does exist. But I’m not sure that it’s a web application, right? Like when you’re on the web, I don’t know that you’re a software engineer.
[00:28:22] Ali Diamond: I think a lot about how. For example, in Canada, being an engineer is a protected class, like a doctor, a
[00:28:28] Ali Diamond: lawyer, things like that. , So companies can’t say they’re hiring engineers because that completely, fundamentally changes the role, the qualifications and the regulations around that.
[00:28:39] Ali Diamond: I feel like it’s almost like going to school to study computer science versus just wanting to be a like writing code.
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[00:29:18] Robbie Wagner: Well, even computer science, like I have a CS degree and I think it was only a few years before I got there that it like actually moved under engineering. So it wasn’t even classified as an engineering degree until like more recently. so
[00:29:34] Ali Diamond: It was a math.
[00:29:35] Ali Diamond: It’s math. there is a fundamental provable mathematical I remember when I took my, my, like, I think it was my ML course in college. It was like a lot of math.
[00:29:46] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Which definitely is the case for that. Which machine learning has nothing to do with like, , UI over crowd operations for like. Database manipulation. Big difference, I [00:30:00] think. Yeah. And so much SaaS is just that. It’s a interface to database manipulation and maybe you have a level where folks will run, math over top of the data that you accumulate.
[00:30:16] Chuck Carpenter: And that starts to be a little more, I don’t know, engineery or mathy, but the basis of so many web apps is definitely not.
[00:30:24] Ali Diamond: I mean, I just always say like modern development is just built on the shoulders of giants, so like how do you become the shoulders that are built upon?
[00:30:34] Chuck Carpenter: I think that’s a great question.
[00:30:35] Ali Diamond: Yeah.
[00:30:36] Ali Diamond: I think a lot about that. How do you leave a lasting impact? How do you make something that is fundamentally core to day to day that people really think about a lot? I don’t know.
[00:30:50] Ali Diamond: That’s a weird way to phrase it, but
[00:30:52] Ali Diamond: lasting impact.
[00:30:53] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. Let’s get through a couple more hot takes and then let’s kind of, I wanna put a pin in that a little bit, ‘cause I think I have some [00:31:00] questions kind of related to that.
[00:31:01] Ali Diamond: sure.
[00:31:02] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. Do we, we could probably just skip the rest of these
[00:31:04] Robbie Wagner: unless the first one. The first one is very specific if, I don’t know if you want to ask that one. I don’t know why that, I don’t know. Chuck wrote it. I don’t know the details.
[00:31:12] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t know. I drink a lot and then, you know, stuff comes out or whatever
[00:31:16] Ali Diamond: Are you sure you don’t need to like go to a, do they have AA in Italy?
[00:31:20] Chuck Carpenter: , No, I don’t need to. You just drink more and then
[00:31:22] Chuck Carpenter: you
[00:31:22] Chuck Carpenter: know,
[00:31:23] Robbie Wagner: they call it
[00:31:23] Chuck Carpenter: away.
[00:31:23] Robbie Wagner: Alora.
[00:31:25] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. You know, you, I mean. Actually, what I do is, uh, that’s self-deprecating. Humor is a core part of my online persona. I,
[00:31:35] Chuck Carpenter: you know, so I can’t fix these problems. If you fix ‘em, then I become dumb and boring.
[00:31:40] Ali Diamond: But what if I lose my spark?
[00:31:43] Chuck Carpenter: exactly.
[00:31:44] Chuck Carpenter: There you go.
[00:31:45] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Rails are laravel.
[00:31:47] Ali Diamond: I don’t want to answer this
[00:31:47] Ali Diamond: question.
[00:31:48] Chuck Carpenter: you you don’t want
[00:31:49] Chuck Carpenter: to, you just, you don’t like it all.
[00:31:51] Ali Diamond: I,
[00:31:52] Ali Diamond: um,
[00:31:52] Chuck Carpenter: have to do anything you don’t want
[00:31:53] Ali Diamond: my, my answer is for offline only
[00:31:56] Chuck Carpenter: Oh,
[00:31:57] Robbie Wagner: Oh,
[00:31:58] Chuck Carpenter: Well,
[00:31:58] Ali Diamond: I, can I plead the [00:32:00] fifth on this?
[00:32:00] Chuck Carpenter: you absolutely can, can you promise to, give us a little something once we stop recording?
[00:32:05] Ali Diamond: Yeah. You’ll have to
[00:32:06] Ali Diamond: remember,
[00:32:07] Chuck Carpenter: yeah.
[00:32:08] Robbie Wagner: Oh, we’ll, we’ll remember
[00:32:09] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Robbie’s like,
[00:32:11] Ali Diamond: but I will say this. There’s a reason why PHP was MeMed on for a really long time. I still haven’t figured out why everyone’s talking about PHP. Again, I really don’t understand why
[00:32:21] Robbie Wagner: ‘cause of the
[00:32:22] Ali Diamond: I’m genuinely trying to figure it
[00:32:23] Ali Diamond: out.
[00:32:24] Chuck Carpenter: Lambos. I think Lambos
[00:32:25] Ali Diamond: Yeah. But if you wanna Lambo, go run Right.
[00:32:28] Ali Diamond: Scala or something and get a government job, make, like, mad money or go work at a hedge fund, like you can make
[00:32:34] Ali Diamond: the
[00:32:34] Chuck Carpenter: yeah. Work at a, yeah, work at a hedge fund and you can get there. You burn out in five years and then, you know,
[00:32:40] Chuck Carpenter: buy an
[00:32:40] Ali Diamond: out about five years, that you burn out of five years with this seven to eight figures.
[00:32:44] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, for sure. So that’s not a bad plan. I don’t know. Yeah, I, I get you there. But I do think it’s the Lambo, I think that like. It’s almost like anti Guillermo, you know?
[00:32:54] Chuck Carpenter: It’s like Versal for PHP, Guillermo loves San Francisco and all of that [00:33:00] culture. And Taylor’s like, we ball,
[00:33:04] Ali Diamond: obviously, I haven’t been to SF in a few years. Last time I was there, I literally think I saw a dead body. anyways,
[00:33:09] Chuck Carpenter: I watched people like smoke crack and Yeah. No, it was
[00:33:13] Ali Diamond: how how many Lambos have you seen in sf?
[00:33:17] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, in SF zero, Taylor doesn’t live in SF for sure. He lives somewhere like Florida or
[00:33:22] Ali Diamond: That’s a little suspicious. How do you stand out there and talk about Lambos when ain’t nobody in SF drive in Lambos?
[00:33:30] Chuck Carpenter: no, they have to afford their apartment. They can’t
[00:33:32] Chuck Carpenter: buy a Lambo.
[00:33:33] Ali Diamond: So
[00:33:34] Robbie Wagner: $20,000 a month.
[00:33:35] Ali Diamond: all I’m hearing is it doesn’t matter, Ruby on rails are PHP. All I’m hearing is that you’re saying Lambos and I’m saying Mm, no, low cost of living.
[00:33:44] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:33:45] Chuck Carpenter: for
[00:33:46] Ali Diamond: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
[00:33:47] Robbie Wagner: is sponsored by Arkansas.
[00:33:51] Ali Diamond: Hey, Walmart’s based
[00:33:52] Chuck Carpenter: Mississippi. Yeah.
[00:33:54] Chuck Carpenter: it is actually. Yeah. That’s a funny thing. yeah, they have a like city [00:34:00] underground that they can dive into if the world fails at any moment too.
[00:34:05] Ali Diamond: At the end of the day, even though I may plead the fifth on the decision, again, it’s whatever language gets the job done. I cannot tell you the niche differences between Ruby on rails versus Laravel. I know that each of them have their own just like, like Versel. They have their own, , cult of personality around it that people love to pay attention to.
[00:34:25] Ali Diamond: And if that makes you happy, that makes you happy. That’s your special interest. I’ll just admit it, coding languages are not my special interest.
[00:34:32] Chuck Carpenter: no. no. It’s a tribe mentality. And at the end of the day, you can solve the problems probably with all of those things and to the nuance that it matters from one to another. Most of us are never gonna hit, so it doesn’t, doesn’t fucking matter. Right. So yeah,
[00:34:49] Ali Diamond: Back to my hot take
[00:34:50] Ali Diamond: of it. Doesn’t matter the language, as long as you’re getting the job done.
[00:34:54] Chuck Carpenter: exactly. Solve. I like it. All right.
[00:34:58] Chuck Carpenter: Let’s just talk tech things, [00:35:00] I guess. Do you have some tech questions, Robbie? I don’t know.
[00:35:03] Chuck Carpenter: You
[00:35:03] Robbie Wagner: I added a question or two.
[00:35:04] Chuck Carpenter: Did you? Please then
[00:35:06] Robbie Wagner: yes.
[00:35:06] Chuck Carpenter: I know you’re tired of my voice.
[00:35:09] Robbie Wagner: well, it’s fine. Someone has to talk. I did an episode yesterday, so I’m already fatigued.
[00:35:14] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, so I, I was looking through your Twitter posts and I saw one about. Hiring staff and senior roles is like what everyone is doing ‘cause they don’t wanna spend time leveling up juniors.
[00:35:27] Robbie Wagner: And like I wanted to get your take on, is there even a path for juniors these days? ‘cause like I feel like AI has kind of like demolished that.
[00:35:35] Ali Diamond: so I think that in the reality of things, the answer right now is no. you either have to be a truly exceptional new grad. I’m unemployed right now for the context, for the, the audiences. I’m actively unemployed right now, and so I’m looking a lot on job boards, job websites, reading a lot about, , the market and I rarely see just like junior engineering opportunities.
[00:35:59] Ali Diamond: [00:36:00] I do see new grad opportunities, but then when you really think about it for a new grad opportunity, you basically need to be a mid to senior engineer at that point to even stand out from the crowd. I’m sorry, like I don’t want to be the DOR on your parade, but if you are someone who’s not going to a excellent school for engineering, like my recommendation always is like, oh my God, please go study biology.
[00:36:24] Ali Diamond: Like go study chemical engineering, go study mathematics. go study like anything but compsci because the market, the time of the luxurious Compsci graduate is dead.
[00:36:38] Robbie Wagner: Yep. You heard it
[00:36:40] Chuck Carpenter: Can you, can you imagine how shitty this is though? Because four years ago when folks were entering school, they were told something very
[00:36:48] Chuck Carpenter: different that there was so much need and it’s growing, and how quickly that’s kind of flipped. If you think about even just for like four years, I would also conversely kind of say.
[00:36:59] Chuck Carpenter: [00:37:00] There’s probably opportunity, but you’re gonna eat shit for a while. You’re gonna go and edit WordPress sites for a while, and you’re
[00:37:10] Chuck Carpenter: gonna be at a very
[00:37:11] Robbie Wagner: ha, over half of the internet is WordPress
[00:37:13] Chuck Carpenter: It is. It is. But you’re also gonna compete with offshore talent,
[00:37:17] Chuck Carpenter: which is cheap for those purposes. So you know, what’s it gonna take? You’re gonna have a micromanager who wants you to be in St.
[00:37:25] Chuck Carpenter: Louis so that they can watch you do that versus someone offshore. And that’s why they’re willing to pay a difference there. But the cost of living is low and you’re gonna have to eat shit through like this. Like you gotta want it
[00:37:38] Ali Diamond: You have to be truly passionate about coding to get a job in coding right now, like you have to be contributing to open source. You need to be leak coding every day. You need to have a perfect, like, you need to be able to solve dykstras in the most niche remote case. Doing it backwards, upside down through like a, a straw doing a handstand [00:38:00] typing with your eyes closed to be able to like pass a like any leak code interview right now.
[00:38:06] Chuck Carpenter: And then the job is gonna
[00:38:08] Chuck Carpenter: be just figuring out which react hook you should
[00:38:11] Chuck Carpenter: use
[00:38:11] Robbie Wagner: it’s even simpler. It’s how do I move this diviv for pixels?
[00:38:14] Ali Diamond: exactly. That’s also why I’m like pretty anti lee code. Just because like, unless you’re going into like being a quant or something, that is super, like niche again, doing something that’s like compiler optimization hardware. . You really don’t need to know how to lead code and it doesn’t really teach you anything.
[00:38:32] Ali Diamond: Especially because now more than ever, lead code is truly like a solved problem. It is a solved problem.
[00:38:38] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. I like to say, you know, if someone asks you to do a, some kind of algorithm problem, be like, look, I’m gonna NPM install the solution to this algorithm and I’m gonna run it. like someone else is definitely smarter than me. And the community as a whole for sure is like, if it’s a solved thing, why do I need to memorize it all?
[00:38:55] Ali Diamond: Oh my god. I remember years ago I interviewed at [00:39:00] a certain fang company and they
[00:39:02] Ali Diamond: asked
[00:39:02] Robbie Wagner: You mean, I think you mean menina?
[00:39:05] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, we’ve changed it. By the
[00:39:06] Ali Diamond: I thought it was manga.
[00:39:08] Chuck Carpenter: No, well,
[00:39:09] Chuck Carpenter: Robbie. Yeah, we
[00:39:10] Chuck Carpenter: say
[00:39:11] Robbie Wagner: We’ve coined it
[00:39:11] Robbie Wagner: here.
[00:39:12] Ali Diamond: the Muppets, so I get it and I
[00:39:13] Ali Diamond: fuck
[00:39:14] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. I love that. I was gonna say, I love that you understand right
[00:39:18] Robbie Wagner: Yes.
[00:39:19] Ali Diamond: Yeah. Tu.
[00:39:22] Chuck Carpenter: Yes.
[00:39:23] Ali Diamond: I remember I just like looked at the interview and I was like, yeah. So in the practicality of actually how I would do this is first I would look up this, this like specific algorithm because I don’t have it memorized. And then I would look at how it’s written and figure out how I can take my, with my pattern matching abilities.
[00:39:38] Ali Diamond: I would take this solution and then implement it here because I don’t have it memorized. ‘cause my brain is full of other things. Now, did I get the job? No,
[00:39:46] Chuck Carpenter: right. Because you didn’t do
[00:39:50] Ali Diamond: because I was
[00:39:51] Chuck Carpenter: months prep. You were,
[00:39:52] Ali Diamond: I
[00:39:52] Chuck Carpenter: do the six months prep for this one eight round loop and, and
[00:39:58] Robbie Wagner: the loops are
[00:39:59] Chuck Carpenter: get in [00:40:00] there. Yeah, like the loops are nuts. I’ve gone through eight and nine round loops just to be denied at the end by the CEO who spoke for 30 minutes and then said, oh, you didn’t contribute enough.
[00:40:12] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, you didn’t shut the fuck up enough. How about that?
[00:40:15] Ali Diamond: I did a, I did 10 plus hours of interviewing for a company, only for the hiring manager to put in their two weeks notice on the day that we had our final meeting. So they turned me down.
[00:40:24] Robbie Wagner: Whew.
[00:40:26] Ali Diamond: I was a perfect fit. Like genuinely, I cannot think of a better fit for that company because like, like what the company focused on was something I’m very interested in.
[00:40:35] Ali Diamond: And like, one of the things, I wouldn’t be working on that side of the product in general, but I’m like, Hey, I am an engineer who understands this space better than any other engineer you’ll ever meet because I am actively in this space. Here’s my custom t-shirt I’m wearing. By the way, I made this myself.
[00:40:52] Ali Diamond: Like I, I was literally wearing a custom t-shirt and I was like, yeah, I just really am passionate about this space and that’s why I know about your company. And then I.
[00:40:58] Chuck Carpenter: And then [00:41:00] that happened and they were like, uh, feel free to keep an eye on our openings in the future.
[00:41:06] Chuck Carpenter: Also, feel
[00:41:07] Chuck Carpenter: free to pour yourself another drink because you know,
[00:41:10] Ali Diamond: Mm. I will say also one of the things that I think that a lot, and I I, I made a YouTube video about this. I actually recently reposted it, ‘cause it was like over a year ago. We’re saying that, you know, you just said it four years ago, people were being told to get into Compsci, but I don’t think it was just like four years ago they were told into compsci, think about when?
[00:41:29] Ali Diamond: 18 years ago. So four years ago is 2021. When were those people born?
[00:41:33] Chuck Carpenter: That’s hard math.
[00:41:35] Chuck Carpenter: Uh, if 20 2003,
[00:41:37] Ali Diamond: 2001, 2003, 2004. So throughout their childhood, they saw the.com boom. They saw the stock market crash, they saw the housing boom. So by the time they’re 12, 11 13, it’s 20 12, 20 13, 20 14. What are they seeing and what are their parents seeing? Their parents are seeing? Oh, okay. Oh my God, look at these stocks.
[00:41:58] Ali Diamond: All the news are reporting on [00:42:00] young entrepreneurs. Mike Zuckerberg now worth a billion dollars because he started a company on the internet and like, look at all this money that’s going into tech. And then, what’s his name? So it turns out, did you know this, that the, , FANG acronym was created by, , the Mad Money guy?
[00:42:19] Chuck Carpenter: Oh.
[00:42:20] Robbie Wagner: Jim Kramer.
[00:42:21] Ali Diamond: Jim Kramer.
[00:42:22] Ali Diamond: created the FANG in like the FANG
[00:42:24] Chuck Carpenter: know that.
[00:42:25] Ali Diamond: in in like the, in the early 2010s. He created FANG acronym and he was like, get in on fang. Like this is the way to go. So their parents, you know, my dad watched Mad Money. Your parents, you know that that information trickles down whether or not
[00:42:38] Ali Diamond: you’re
[00:42:38] Chuck Carpenter: My parents are stupid and poor. That’s a whole other story.
[00:42:42] Ali Diamond: Whether or not your parents are knowledgeable of that or not. Like someone will be like, oh my God, did you hear about these jobs in tech, blah, blah.
[00:42:49] Ali Diamond: So now these kids are 11, 12, 13. Their parents are like. Software. Interesting. And then they go on, they’re turning 16, 17, [00:43:00] 18. They’re starting to approach college.
[00:43:01] Ali Diamond: By that point, you’re seeing shows like Silicon Valley, you’re seeing these articles day like what’s it like? Oh, software engineers working in Silicon Valley get luxurious trips every year to go to Paris and, and to go to Costa Rica to hang out with their companies and look at how much money they’re making and oh my God.
[00:43:20] Ali Diamond: And then 28, 19 20 20 21, use 2021. You see all the influencers come out being like day in the life of, of being a software engineer, how to make six to seven figures being a software engineer, oh my God, look at all the money I make. So then they’re going, they’re going to college, never one around them or being like, oh my God.
[00:43:41] Ali Diamond: Like what do you wanna study? And they’re like, software. They’re not doing it ‘cause they’re passionate. They’re doing it ‘cause
[00:43:47] Ali Diamond: it’s
[00:43:47] Chuck Carpenter: No. They the
[00:43:48] Chuck Carpenter: lifestyle.
[00:43:49] Chuck Carpenter: Hell yes.
[00:43:51] Chuck Carpenter: but also that’s ?Why bootcamps existed because it was a, learn, react, make six figures.
[00:43:57] Ali Diamond: exactly. Now we’re just seeing that repackaged [00:44:00] as instead of bootcamps, 10 frameworks that you need to learn in order to make six figures as a front end engineer. Watch my video.
[00:44:07] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:44:08] Robbie Wagner: I was in general engineering, like to start and they have a like presentation on all the different types of engineering and they tell you which ones like make the most money. Computer science was that one at that time that they gave that presentation. So I was like, Hey, I didn’t know which one I wanted to do, but I guess I’ll do that one.
[00:44:26] Robbie Wagner: Like,
[00:44:28] Chuck Carpenter: Don’t you wish you would’ve done industrial engineering or something like that?
[00:44:32] Ali Diamond: Chemical engineering, sell to big oil, move to Texas, own big house, own big
[00:44:37] Ali Diamond: car
[00:44:38] Chuck Carpenter: Texas.
[00:44:39] Ali Diamond: That’s where all big
[00:44:40] Ali Diamond: oil is. Yeah. I’ve been to Texas, but I’m just saying if you wanna make, if you wanna, if you wanna actually hard challenge of an engineering challenge, move to Texas, become a chemical engineer, study chemical engineering at MIT, that was the hardest major.
[00:44:53] Ali Diamond: and then make big money through big oil.
[00:44:55] Chuck Carpenter: You could go to the Emirates or
[00:44:57] Ali Diamond: Yeah, you could do that and make big money there too.[00:45:00]
[00:45:00] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.
[00:45:00] Chuck Carpenter: That is a place where I’ve seen a lot of Lambos and bugs and whatever else. The gas is super cheap and the roads are perfect.
[00:45:09] Ali Diamond: Yeah.
[00:45:10] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, it’s an interesting place.
[00:45:12] Ali Diamond: Yeah.
[00:45:13] Ali Diamond: My like, journey into engineering was like very odd. I don’t talk about being the child of a, of a tech founder
[00:45:21] Ali Diamond: ever. I’m a child of a tech founder. Laura Drop, yeah, my dad started a software company in the nineties,
[00:45:27] Chuck Carpenter: Wow.
[00:45:28] Ali Diamond: and he was making websites for people in the nineties.
[00:45:31] Ali Diamond: He helped innovate law, , regarding technical advancements in my home state. , My dad has had, so I don’t wanna say I was nepotist into this, like, into where I’m at right now, but because like, I don’t, he’s not really involved in the space anymore, but like, my dad, like, has had dinner with Bill Gates.
[00:45:48] Ali Diamond: He used to do things with Microsoft. Like my dad, like was there for that time. So like, years ago I found like an old little, like, what do you wanna be when you grow up and like, you write in a kindergarten? And I, I wrote like, I wanna work with [00:46:00] computers like my dad one day.
[00:46:02] Chuck Carpenter: yeah. Right. Yeah. Not, not a bad influence. All things considered. I, I’d say,
[00:46:09] Ali Diamond: Except now I can, I have to argue about Kubernetes with my dad sometimes.
[00:46:16] Robbie Wagner: Oh yeah. I’m glad my dad has no idea what Kubernetes is.
[00:46:19] Chuck Carpenter: I.
[00:46:20] Ali Diamond: Like my dad calls me one day, he’s like, ally, like, what do you think about Kubernetes? And I’m like, I dunno. Don’t ask me, leave me alone. Oh,
[00:46:29] Chuck Carpenter: Uh, dad. It’s called Kates. Okay.
[00:46:32] Chuck Carpenter: That’s what we say. All right? And, uh, I don’t know. You know, you, you ride a bunch of YAML and do
[00:46:38] Ali Diamond: okay. One time I was working at a startup and I was sitting in a meeting with the founder and he was like, I was a one-on-one meeting. And he goes, yeah, Kubernetes. And I was like,
[00:46:48] Chuck Carpenter: Ooh.
[00:46:48] Ali Diamond: and like the company like specialized in things involving like containerization and things like that. And so I sat there and after a few like meetings with him and I was just like, Hey, like is this [00:47:00] like an inside joke or something?
[00:47:01] Ali Diamond: Like I just blatantly asked, I was like, is this an inside joke or something? Am I not in on the joke? And he’s like, what do you mean? And I’m like. It’s Kubernetes and he’s like, what? And I’m like, yeah, it’s
[00:47:11] Ali Diamond: pronounced Kubernetes.
[00:47:12] Chuck Carpenter: was willing to tell him. That was the thing. That was your superpowers. You were willing to say.
[00:47:17] Chuck Carpenter: Bro, you got this right? Yeah. No one told him and then he looked like an idiot forever. So that was, yeah,
[00:47:23] Ali Diamond: had to correct the CEO and I was like, bro, it’s Kubernetes. Not Kubernetes.
[00:47:27] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. You made his life better. I think you did a service there, so
[00:47:31] Chuck Carpenter: I hope he appreciates that. Yeah.
[00:47:33] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.
[00:47:34] Chuck Carpenter: What do you do that is not tech? You know, there’s a what not portion here, and so this is the tangents. Sometimes I play video games, sometimes I watch random shows on flights. I always watch superhero movies because I feel like that’s the only way to really like capture yourself into them and not overly judge them because you didn’t pay $35 a ticket.
[00:47:57] Chuck Carpenter: So what do you do? This is not tech.
[00:47:59] Ali Diamond: can I [00:48:00] refine that to, what do I do that is not software development?
[00:48:03] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.
[00:48:03] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.
[00:48:04] Ali Diamond: I build keyboards for people.
[00:48:06] Ali Diamond: I, , currently have a stack of keyboards for a friend, for a commission.
[00:48:10] Ali Diamond: So I’m building, I build keyboards for people. I also organize the net gala, which , is tech adjacent, but this is just me raising a bunch of money to, , pay artists to make really dope art revolving around the themes of tech, but bringing technologists together to discuss tech in the modern society and how we can use art to impact our long-term conversations.
[00:48:34] Ali Diamond: But also kind of like, now, this is something that I don’t hear , talk about a lot yet, like coding conferences, but very big in cybersecurity conferences is lobby con I think at tech conferences. It’s called the Hallway Track, where
[00:48:46] Ali Diamond: you just like sit and yap. some of the best lobby cons in tech have ended and I’m like, how can I revive lobby con and bring together amazing people to have amazing conversations?
[00:48:58] Ali Diamond: So that takes a lot of [00:49:00] my time. I’m an avid SMI ski collector. I have a lot of SMI skis.
[00:49:05] Ali Diamond: shall
[00:49:05] Chuck Carpenter: smy? Yeah, I don’t know what that is. I’d love to see one.
[00:49:09] Ali Diamond: I’m an avid, oh, SMI collector.
[00:49:13] Ali Diamond: These are my little green guys. I have a lot of them. , They live on my desk. I have a big one also,
[00:49:19] Chuck Carpenter: Wait, I still don’t know what a Smmi ski
[00:49:21] Ali Diamond: they’re just little dudes doing things.
[00:49:24] Chuck Carpenter: Why are they called? Smis?
[00:49:27] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, yes. There we go.
[00:49:28] Ali Diamond: I don’t know. They also glow in the dark.
[00:49:31] Ali Diamond: I have one on my phone. I have one on my purse. I
[00:49:34] Ali Diamond: have at least 10 that live on my desk. I love them so much. , They’re just like, unlike Lab Booboos and Sunny Angels Sies are actually doing things. They have work to do.
[00:49:46] Ali Diamond: see, this one is being, uh, girl with the Pearl Earring.
[00:49:50] Ali Diamond: This one’s watering its plants. these two are moving.
[00:49:54] Ali Diamond: this one’s getting, they have things to do also.
[00:49:56] Ali Diamond: This one is
[00:49:57] Chuck Carpenter: to do. Yeah. [00:50:00] Which we understand.
[00:50:01] Ali Diamond: Yeah, so I like collecting Sies. , Being in New York, I love walking. Like genuinely I just will walk everywhere. so that is a big thing for me is just taking really long walks around the city. I’m an avid reader. I’m currently reading, , the second book in the Stormlight Stormlight archives. .
[00:50:22] Ali Diamond: Which is Brandon Sanderson. Each book is around 1200 pages long.
[00:50:27] Chuck Carpenter: Oh,
[00:50:27] Ali Diamond: almost done with the
[00:50:28] Ali Diamond: second
[00:50:28] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t think I’ve read anything that long since Game of Thrones,
[00:50:32] Ali Diamond: I would really recommend it. Unlike Game of Thrones, the Stormlight archives are completed.
[00:50:37] Chuck Carpenter: yeah. that’s
[00:50:38] Chuck Carpenter: that’s helpful.
[00:50:39] Robbie Wagner: is helpful. Yeah.
[00:50:41] Chuck Carpenter: I read graphic novels sometimes.
[00:50:44] Ali Diamond: I used to read a lot of graphic novels. I loved Laura Olympus WebToons. I was a big Webtoon Scarley for a little bit.
[00:50:51] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. , Right now the last one I was going through was the Invincible Compen. Uh,
[00:50:57] Ali Diamond: my God. I was watching, I’m watching Invisible with [00:51:00] my friend right now,
[00:51:00] Ali Diamond: but
[00:51:00] Ali Diamond: my friends
[00:51:01] Chuck Carpenter: watched it yet. I wanted to read it first, and I was like, okay, cool. Yeah, just because I, I really liked, , the boys and I felt like that was like kind of adjacent to that whole like. Superhero who isn’t always making the right decision. Like, okay, yeah, let’s go down this path.
[00:51:19] Ali Diamond: Such a plot twist, but I’m like, my friend’s at Burning Man right now, so I can’t watch any without her. And I’m like, uh, look, come back, but enjoy your burn.
[00:51:30] Chuck Carpenter: I’ve been to Zero Burning Man. yeah. Looks interesting. It looks like a lot of work. I can’t,
[00:51:35] Chuck Carpenter: I
[00:51:35] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.
[00:51:36] Chuck Carpenter: that.
[00:51:36] Ali Diamond: I have friends that are camp organizers, so they’re like actually in charge and they have to like take care of people and I’m like, more power to you. Like some of the bigger, like well-known older camps too, so I’m just like, enjoy your burn. Like when you come back will hang out.
[00:51:52] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, we’re here for you. That’s fine. That’s not the kind of job I want.
[00:51:56] Ali Diamond: Yeah.
[00:51:57] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.
[00:51:58] Chuck Carpenter: I think I went to the, [00:52:00] not even Burning Man, like at all. But, , the whole Indio, California,
[00:52:06] Ali Diamond: Coachella.
[00:52:06] Ali Diamond: Coachella.
[00:52:07] Chuck Carpenter: Coachella. I went to Coachella I think in like 2007, about the last time. So if that like sets a tone for you, that’s how
[00:52:15] Ali Diamond: That’s the last like festival you’ve been to.
[00:52:18] Chuck Carpenter: Yes.
[00:52:19] Ali Diamond: Honestly, 2007. Coachella was probably really good.
[00:52:23] Chuck Carpenter: It was amazing. Yeah, it was really good. Nine-ish Nails was one of the headliners, like block party was in the, you know, one of the smallest stages, that kind of stuff. So it was, yeah, it was really good. I am 47, so my party, like I’m on the senior menu.
[00:52:39] Chuck Carpenter: That’s all
[00:52:39] Robbie Wagner: yeah,
[00:52:40] Ali Diamond: I party with people of all ages.
[00:52:43] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Nothing wrong with that.
[00:52:45] Ali Diamond: Yeah.
[00:52:45] Chuck Carpenter: not ageist Robbie. He’s a dick. He’s, he’s not, he’s,
[00:52:50] Chuck Carpenter: yeah,
[00:52:50] Chuck Carpenter: he’s always like making
[00:52:52] Chuck Carpenter: fun of
[00:52:52] Robbie Wagner: yeah. I try to not hang out with Chuck and he just, uh, just keeps showing up,
[00:52:55] Robbie Wagner: but
[00:52:57] Ali Diamond: Well, it seems like you have a combined LLC, so there is some [00:53:00] monetary incentive here, so
[00:53:02] Ali Diamond: I
[00:53:02] Ali Diamond: hope that.
[00:53:03] Ali Diamond: you two have very good contracts.
[00:53:05] Chuck Carpenter: Right. Yeah. Yeah. We cover our bases in that sense. And that’s very, uh, you know, that’s a great observation from you
[00:53:12] Robbie Wagner: Yes, we
[00:53:13] Chuck Carpenter: notice. Yeah.
[00:53:14] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. We have too
[00:53:15] Robbie Wagner: if anyone’s wondering
[00:53:16] Chuck Carpenter: of them don’t do that Great.
[00:53:18] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. All of
[00:53:18] Robbie Wagner: them make
[00:53:19] Ali Diamond: corporations to high taxes. Tax
[00:53:21] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.
[00:53:22] Ali Diamond: my second
[00:53:23] Ali Diamond: favorite activity,
[00:53:24] Robbie Wagner: fraud is such a, a strong
[00:53:26] Robbie Wagner: word, but
[00:53:27] Chuck Carpenter: It’s a marketing expense.
[00:53:28] Chuck Carpenter: We did figure out how to make liquor a marketing
[00:53:31] Chuck Carpenter: expense. That’s the best part about this
[00:53:34] Ali Diamond: I mean, I did literally write off. I did. I don’t know if I’m allowed to. I’ll pay for it, but like I did purchase this with my LLC
[00:53:41] Ali Diamond: money.
[00:53:41] Chuck Carpenter: Yes. We, when we made money from our services business, we used to buy this for people. We just can’t do that anymore because we don’t make money from that. So
[00:53:52] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. Need us to move a diviv, a few pixels, give us some money.
[00:53:56] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, exactly. a hundred percent. Yeah. That’s, you know, it’s a, it’s [00:54:00] a marketing expense.
[00:54:00] Chuck Carpenter: You’re putting yourself out there.
[00:54:02] Ali Diamond: because if you’re listening, I am a backend software engineer who’s actively on the market looking for my next big role. If you’re interested in hiring me, please DM me on Twitter at ending with Allie because I’m really cool and I’m fun, and I can totally be the personality hire of your dreams.
[00:54:20] Chuck Carpenter: Yes. And she’s not limited to Golan. She will write whatever language that you need
[00:54:26] Ali Diamond: I didn’t know a Lka Golan, I didn’t know a Lka Golan before my last job. And look at me now.
[00:54:32] Chuck Carpenter: Right, right. Well.
[00:54:33] Ali Diamond: I say
[00:54:34] Ali Diamond: that.
[00:54:34] Chuck Carpenter: Let, let’s go ahead and pump up Ali a little bit. You’re an MIT grad. You’re not only an MIT grad. You are a MIT masters
[00:54:44] Chuck Carpenter: graduate. Yeah. Like that’s impressive. I don’t know. I didn’t graduate anything. Well, high school, but,
[00:54:54] Ali Diamond: MIT is the only school I got into.
[00:54:56] Chuck Carpenter: is it the only one you applied
[00:54:58] Chuck Carpenter: for? [00:55:00] wow. Well, that’s a good story on its own too,
[00:55:03] Chuck Carpenter: so, yeah.
[00:55:05] Ali Diamond: it’s funny. I think it’s hilarious. I’m just like, yeah, like it’s the only one I got into.
[00:55:11] Chuck Carpenter: Would you have selected another if you,
[00:55:14] Ali Diamond: I may have gone, if I got into Stanford, , I would’ve gone to Stanford if I had gotten into uc, Berkeley. I would’ve really considered uc, Berkeley, because at the time I was also on the crew team. I did, I was on the rowing team for nine years.
[00:55:28] Ali Diamond: Between high school, college, and my master’s year. I was a coxswain for both the men’s and the women’s teams.
[00:55:34] Ali Diamond: and when I was in high school, rowing was really important to me. And so if I got into uc, Berkeley, I probably would’ve gone to uc, Berkeley. But my
[00:55:42] Chuck Carpenter: Wait,
[00:55:43] Ali Diamond: withdraw.
[00:55:44] Chuck Carpenter: are you very tall? Are you taller than you see?
[00:55:48] Ali Diamond: No, I am, I’m actually, I am taller than I seem. Yes. Most people on Twitch think I am five two.
[00:55:55] Chuck Carpenter: No,
[00:55:55] Chuck Carpenter: wouldn’t have thought that. Yeah, I, I would’ve put you around there. Okay.
[00:55:59] Chuck Carpenter: I was, [00:56:00] if you were like, surprisingly six foot, I would’ve been like, wow. Would not have guessed that.
[00:56:04] Ali Diamond: I again, I was not a rower. was a coxswain, which is the tiny little tiny little girl that sits in the front of the boat. So men and women’s team. Yeah.
[00:56:15] Ali Diamond: I’ve competed internationally. I’ve gone to nationals, so, again, the lore is dense and complex. I just don’t touch on it because I think, , a big thing for me is that I don’t want, like my time at MIT to be the best thing I achieve in my life.
[00:56:29] Ali Diamond: I think that there’s more to life than that. And so like my other hobby is like social media.
[00:56:35] Ali Diamond: Social media is my special interest, you know?
[00:56:38] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, that’s fair. I kind of dig that. Did you do the snowball fight?
[00:56:42] Ali Diamond: Yes.
[00:56:43] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,
[00:56:45] Robbie Wagner: What?
[00:56:46] Chuck Carpenter: so there’s a big thing every winter. There’s like a Harvard MIT snowball fight, and I don’t know that because I went to Harvard, but one of my best friends did. So,
[00:56:55] Ali Diamond: Oh, so my. Freshman year we did have a [00:57:00] snowball fight. And I’m looking down because I’m looking at my ring. I wear my class ring every day still. And on my class ring, they have a depiction of like the MIT snowball fight because our time at MIT, we hit some of the highest snowfall in Boston. of all time of all recorded time.
[00:57:15] Ali Diamond: So we had a lot of snowball fights.
[00:57:18] Chuck Carpenter: Nice. so it’s hard to differentiate
[00:57:20] Ali Diamond: Between
[00:57:22] Chuck Carpenter: which snowball fight I would be referencing.
[00:57:24] Ali Diamond: Yes. That’s why I asked. ‘cause I was like, it was a very specific snowball fight because also the president of MIT got involved and he
[00:57:30] Ali Diamond: was
[00:57:31] Chuck Carpenter: Oh yeah. I was made to believe that it was like an annual big deal,
[00:57:36] Ali Diamond: it probably
[00:57:36] Chuck Carpenter: wasn’t. Yeah,
[00:57:39] Ali Diamond: Yeah,
[00:57:39] Chuck Carpenter: that’s fair.
[00:57:40] Chuck Carpenter: All right.
[00:57:41] Robbie Wagner: We are over time here. we’ll give you a chance to plug anything you want, say anything we miss saying. Um, what do you wanna, what do you wanna say?
[00:57:49] Ali Diamond: first of all, thank you all so much for listening. I hope you had a great time hearing me. Yap. , If you wanna hear me yap more, , you could find me on Twitch tv slash ending with Allie. I [00:58:00] generally go live Monday and whatever other time I go live right now because I’m unemployed and so my schedule is dictated by whenever I interview.
[00:58:09] Ali Diamond: I really will focus on creating spaces where people can feel safe and comfortable learning. You don’t have to be perfect on the internet. You just got to be growing. And that’s my biggest thing. I’m also posting reels on Instagram. I post memes, , on Instagram at ending with Allie.
[00:58:23] Ali Diamond: , I am on Twitter at ending with all. That’s how this happened because we just started reply guiding each other, which was super fun. I’m also the host of a cybersecurity news show on the longest running channel on YouTube called Hack Five. If you wanna find me there, it’s youtube.com/hack five. , And I’m also a backend software engineer looking for my next role.
[00:58:43] Ali Diamond: If you think I’m funny and if you enjoyed hearing me Yap about my opinions, , you could find me online. Add ending with Allie. Please slide into my dms. , Even if I don’t respond to my dms, I do read all of my dms. I just replying to dms seems very stressful. some of your dms honestly are just like, hi.
[00:58:59] Ali Diamond: And I’m [00:59:00] like, please don’t do that to me. but if you are interested in working with the me, , you could check on my LinkedIn. , My last employer is not on my LinkedIn just because I don’t want to cause any issues. So if you wanna hire me, dm e you can get my resume and we can chat.
[00:59:13] Chuck Carpenter: Excellent.
[00:59:15] Robbie Wagner: All right. Yeah. Thanks for coming on and thanks everyone for listening. If you’d like to please subscribe and we will catch you next time.
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