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Charles William Carpenter III [00:00:00] Intro: Welcome to Syntax. Welcome to a brand new episode of the Front End Happy Hour podcast. Welcome to this week’s JS Party. Live from Ship Shape Studios, this is Whiskey Web and Whatnot. With your hosts, Robbie the Wagner, and me, Charles William Carpenter III. That’s right Charles. We drink whiskey and talk about web development.
[00:00:27] Intro: I mean, it’s all in the name. It’s not that deep. This is Whiskey Web and Whatnot. Do not adjust your set.x
[00:00:36] Chuck Carpenter: Hey,
[00:00:37] Robbie Wagner: up everybody. This is monthly malarkey with, uh, your hosts feel like we haven’t done this in a long time. I don’t remember how to podcast anymore. It’s been like a month.
[00:00:48] Chuck Carpenter: has it been, it’s been a couple of weeks. We’ve been releasing backlog items, which are in the order they would have released anyway. So there’s no loss in that sense. But, uh, life has been in the way [00:01:00] for a few weeks time it seems like.
[00:01:02] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. This episode is sponsored by mucinex cause I’ve been sick
[00:01:07] Chuck Carpenter: Or, uh, as my mom says it for some reason, Mucinex. You should take some Mucinex. And I’m like, Mucinex. Oh, shut up. That was, that’s, a little glimpse into my life, so. Don’t be jealous.
[00:01:21] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, but we should start with this whiskey. See if you can get some of the mucus out of my
[00:01:24] Chuck Carpenter: yes, because, , In Kentucky, cough syrup is Whiskey mixed with hot water and lemon.
[00:01:30] Chuck Carpenter: It’s a couple of
[00:01:31] Robbie Wagner: Possibly some honey. Honey is
[00:01:32] Robbie Wagner: good
[00:01:33] Chuck Carpenter: is also good there, too. Yeah.
[00:01:35] Chuck Carpenter: Uh, okay. So today we’re having the Cirrus Noble Small Batch Bourbon Whiskey. It is 90 proof. Aged 5 plus years. So, it’s blended, I’m guessing. Uh, didn’t get that explicitly. Uh, mash bill of 78 percent corn, 10 percent rye, and 12 percent malted barley. So, there’s a little more barley up in this one. We’ll see what’s going on there.
[00:01:59] Chuck Carpenter: This episode is [00:02:00] brought to you by Norlin Glasses. You, too, can get yourself one at Norlin Glasses.
[00:02:06] Robbie Wagner: com
[00:02:07] Robbie Wagner: I remember the website this
[00:02:08] Chuck Carpenter: Good job, because I say it wrong every time. this one or that one? This or
[00:02:12] Chuck Carpenter: that?
[00:02:12] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, or other things, if you want a tumbler or a, decanters, they have a bunch of stuff. I don’t have all of the things they
[00:02:18] Chuck Carpenter: Do you have
[00:02:19] Chuck Carpenter: anything other than these glasses?
[00:02:20] Robbie Wagner: I have one of the heavy tumblers.
[00:02:23] Chuck Carpenter: nice. Would recommend.
[00:02:24] Robbie Wagner: yeah, it’s very heavy. It’s like, it’s hard to hold honestly, but like in a good way.
[00:02:29] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I like that. It’s got some durability to it. Is the dishwasher safe?
[00:02:33] Robbie Wagner: Mm hmm. Well, I don’t know if they say it is but I put it in the dishwasher and it’s fine I put these in the dishwasher and they’re fine
[00:02:40] Chuck Carpenter: That’s brave shit. My wife tucked one in one time and I got to it before she turned it on. I was like, I don’t think so.
[00:02:47] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, we just usually don’t obey what it says like we have these glasses with little b’s on them too like the the bug a b not
[00:02:56] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, not the letter
[00:02:57] Robbie Wagner: um yeah, and
[00:02:59] Chuck Carpenter: The [00:03:00] name B?
[00:03:00] Robbie Wagner: And they’re like Never put this in the dishwasher. And we’re like, you know what, we’re going to do it. And if they break, they break and they haven’t broken.
[00:03:06] Robbie Wagner: So whatever.
[00:03:08] Chuck Carpenter: I got a little lemongrass. Light.
[00:03:10] Robbie Wagner: I’m smelling strawberry bubblegum.
[00:03:14] Chuck Carpenter: Huh. I wish I was getting that. No. Lemongrass for me.
[00:03:18] Robbie Wagner: Oh man. Haven’t had alcohol in a while. And that is, um, that is potent.
[00:03:26] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, it’s been, gosh, definitely not quite 24 hours yet, but, uh, you know, we’ll get in there. I’m priming the palate here a little bit. Hmm. I get a little spice. This is a little sugar, a little spice, definitely a little cinnamon in the beginning, a little bit
[00:03:45] Chuck Carpenter: of,
[00:03:45] Robbie Wagner: I would say, um, I was just going to say brown sugar,
[00:03:48] Chuck Carpenter: Mm hmm.
[00:03:49] Robbie Wagner: like usually the sweetness isn’t specifically sugar for me, but I’m, I’m feeling the exact taste of like putting some brown sugar in my mouth.
[00:03:56] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, it usually has more of a like char or something to it, but this is, [00:04:00] tastes more like the sugar. And then, a little sharp at the end, like maybe even like a slight nuttiness. I don’t know. Interesting. I had this one many years ago actually, and I really disliked it at that time. So I don’t know if there’s a difference in they’ve improved their process and product.
[00:04:19] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, because I would say it was probably, like, at least five years ago. I know I’ve had it before, and I remember seeing this and being like,
[00:04:25] Chuck Carpenter: Well, you decided to, you know, YOLO and do some orders. And so I was like, Oh, okay. Yeah, I remember that guy. I don’t know about him. Because it is San Francisco distilled, I believe.
[00:04:36] Chuck Carpenter: Distilled in Kentucky. Oh, actually it says distilled in Kentucky, but Sears Noble is from San Fran. So. Which some people believe is the greatest city on earth. That’s what I was trying to say. And not whatever was coming out before. No shade there. Anyway.
[00:04:54] Robbie Wagner: the show is cancelled, folks.
[00:04:56] Chuck Carpenter: I mean it was bound to happen sooner or later.
[00:04:58] Chuck Carpenter: That’s what you get for saddling up with [00:05:00] this pony bro. Hmm. Yeah, I’m gonna still taste it. I don’t know if you’re ready for any kind of rating.
[00:05:07] Robbie Wagner: I don’t have a lot of additional notes on the flavor. It, to me, feels a lot like I don’t know. It’s not smooth. Like i’m getting a lot of things in different directions. They’re like Pow pow pow and i’m like, I don’t know None of it is terrible
[00:05:22] Chuck Carpenter: no, it’s okay. It’s, it’s like, not bad. I, I remember definitely disliking it before. I think it’s only like 40, 50 bucks, so it’s not that expensive either. I think it’s like in the 40 range. And, yeah, I know what you’re saying. Like, the flavors on their own don’t sound bad, but in this combination, it’s a little weird.
[00:05:42] Chuck Carpenter: And it’s a little hot. Like, it’s burning more than it should for 90 pro, 90 proof. Which
[00:05:46] Chuck Carpenter: is.
[00:05:47] Robbie Wagner: like it feels like they’re on the right track but it’s not very balanced it’s like a inexperienced mixer or Mash bill creator or something
[00:05:56] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.
[00:05:57] Robbie Wagner: So like, it has potential. I would say, I’m going to give [00:06:00] it right middle of the road at a four.
[00:06:01] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, wow. Okay. That is lower than I thought you would go. Well, I’m gonna hold on here. , by the way, folks. , you may not remember, but we have a highly, highly complicated rating system from zero to eight tentacles. Zero being terrible. I’m gonna throw this away. Four being middle of the road, as Robbie has just rated this one.
[00:06:23] Chuck Carpenter: And eight being amazing, clear the shelves. Which just means, , which for the layman just means buy them all. Literally, clear the shelf. It’s so great every time you see it. Buy every one you have. I was just reminded I started listening to SmartList again recently, and they always have these, like, notes.
[00:06:39] Chuck Carpenter: Whenever you’re doing industry speak, they say, uh, they speak to, uh, to Sean Hayes sister, Tracy, and they’re like, and for Tracy, that’s, uh, you know, blah, blah, blah. So for Tracy, clear the shelves means this.
[00:06:53] Robbie Wagner: See, that, I actually didn’t know either. I thought when you said clear the shelves it meant take everything you have on your [00:07:00] shelf and throw it away because this one’s so
[00:07:02] Chuck Carpenter: oh, that’s so funny. yeah, I guess, you know, , not wrong in that sense, but clear the shelves usually means, like, you see it out, buy it. It’s an immediate buy, if they have more than one, buy them all, clear the shelves. Like, that’s how good it is.
[00:07:14] Robbie Wagner: Now we
[00:07:15] Chuck Carpenter: do you know what a tater is? I almost wonder if we should
[00:07:18] Robbie Wagner: like a potato.
[00:07:19] Chuck Carpenter: Mmm, a tater in the whiskey thing. They’re like, oh gosh. you know what, I’m gonna, I think we should table this for next week. we’re gonna have a guest on that is in the industry, whiskey industry. And I’m sure he knows what a tater is. And a tater, you know, let me just say that it’s like, It’s akin to like, poser in other, Vernaculars other groups like you know when you like buy all the best stuff But you’re not very good in a sport or something like that like you’re a poser.
[00:07:47] Chuck Carpenter: It’s kind of like that
[00:07:49] Robbie Wagner: Was that when we were talking to Dax or was that on their show that they’re saying that the term for buying all the stuff but you’re not good is a buy hard
[00:07:56] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, I, I did see Dax’s, Dax had a [00:08:00] tweet that was to that, like, , even if you’re not, if you’re not very good at your hobby, you can still buy all the nice stuff for your hobby or something like that. And that becomes kind of your hobby. I don’t know, I don’t listen to that show because like, fuck those guys.
[00:08:12] Chuck Carpenter: especially because Adam refuses the book. Uh, he’s like, yeah guys, send me the link, I totally want to be on. And I’m like, well. We’re, uh, well, now we’re 85 and bankrupt and, uh, we, we can’t accommodate you. I don’t know what to say.
[00:08:25] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, by, by the time you book, you’re buying your own whiskey, but
[00:08:28] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, that’s the new format of the show. Come on and be a guest and by be a guest it means you’re sponsoring yourself. Thank you. Would you buy us a
[00:08:37] Robbie Wagner: send
[00:08:37] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I love it. Yeah, we’d love to have you on. What whiskey do you want to do? Cool, I’ll give you my address. Oh my gosh, if we could start to get people to instead send us the whiskeys.
[00:08:49] Chuck Carpenter: This is a good, now that’s the ultimate arbitrage.
[00:08:52] Robbie Wagner: All right. Yeah. We’ll, we’ll try that next time.
[00:08:55] Chuck Carpenter: , well, I mean, we do have a guest booked, who is going to send us whiskey. He would like [00:09:00] to
[00:09:00] Robbie Wagner: We have a couple because David said he was going to send
[00:09:02] Robbie Wagner: whiskey too,
[00:09:03] Chuck Carpenter: who I meant. Who else? Oh, I guess because Clint is, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that’s true. We have a couple. This is a good new business model.
[00:09:11] Robbie Wagner: did you rate this?
[00:09:12] Chuck Carpenter: I haven’t,
[00:09:12] Robbie Wagner: I can’t remember what
[00:09:13] Chuck Carpenter: Thank you for coming
[00:09:14] Robbie Wagner: we’ll go ahead
[00:09:15] Chuck Carpenter: I had something in my mind, and now I’m like, you went a four? And I, so a four is just, yeah, it’s middle of the road. And I’m trying to think of it in that context. So, middle of the road. Middle of the road for bourbon. I mean, let’s say that’s definitely like, What is that?
[00:09:31] Chuck Carpenter: What is that for you? What is, what is your four? you need to have like
[00:09:35] Chuck Carpenter: your
[00:09:35] Robbie Wagner: Evan Williams.
[00:09:36] Chuck Carpenter: Evan Williams. Small batch or Evan Williams in the white
[00:09:40] Robbie Wagner: This is
[00:09:40] Chuck Carpenter: White label. Yeah, so white label, Evan Williams, probably cost 24 bucks, something like that. That’s not a bad one. I was thinking something like Maker’s Mark, but that’s weeded, so I don’t really want to throw that one on here.
[00:09:51] Chuck Carpenter: I think Buffalo Trace is better than this, if that kind of sends.
[00:09:55] Robbie Wagner: But Buffalo trace is very good, so I wouldn’t call it middle of the
[00:09:57] Chuck Carpenter: I know, but
[00:09:58] Robbie Wagner: especially for it’s price.[00:10:00]
[00:10:00] Chuck Carpenter: it’s twenty, like, twenty six bucks for me. For a Buffalo Trace. And I would definitely rate that higher than this. So, okay, yeah, given that I think I kind of agree with you. I think it’s a four. It’s, uh, slightly different.
[00:10:14] Chuck Carpenter: It could bring an interesting mix to cocktails, but as a sipper on its own, it’s like,
[00:10:19] Robbie Wagner: All
[00:10:24] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:10:26] Robbie Wagner: So yeah, we, uh, don’t have many tech topics today. , we have tech adjacent
[00:10:32] Chuck Carpenter: Mm hmm.
[00:10:34] Robbie Wagner: with, uh,
[00:10:37] Chuck Carpenter: Big
[00:10:37] Robbie Wagner: do tech things
[00:10:38] Robbie Wagner: sometimes. Uh,
[00:10:40] Chuck Carpenter: Uh, newsflash. Robert Wagner, the eighth Has changed employers.
[00:10:46] Robbie Wagner: Yes, it is a sad day that I am no longer with Monomena,
[00:10:52] Robbie Wagner: and uh,
[00:10:53] Chuck Carpenter: you’re out.
[00:10:53] Robbie Wagner: I will be joining HashiCorp as a staff engineer, so I’m pretty excited about that. I’m going to [00:11:00] be. Architecting all of the Ember apps essentially and making sure all of the updates go well and everyone’s on the same page helping everybody do stuff the Ember
[00:11:09] Chuck Carpenter: be writing TRDs like it or not, motherfucker.
[00:11:12] Robbie Wagner: I don’t know what, uh, what that
[00:11:14] Chuck Carpenter: Technical Requirement Docs.
[00:11:16] Robbie Wagner: well, I’m not sure we’ll have to see what the, well, two things one. So, so they right now mainly just do RFCs and like kind of implemented from there, but, uh, They also just got acquired by IBM, so there may be a lot more red tape documenty kind of things happening later.
[00:11:34] Robbie Wagner: We’ll see.
[00:11:34] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, later, because, you know, those acquisitions usually take, a while for it to, like, change anything, especially process and bureaucracy wise, kind of depends on what they do, management and all of that.
[00:11:48] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.
[00:11:49] Chuck Carpenter: You work for IBM.
[00:11:50] Robbie Wagner: Yep.
[00:11:51] Chuck Carpenter: Interesting. I didn’t know that. And that’s not in Menomina, but it is kind of a big, multi decade computing [00:12:00] conglomerate.
[00:12:00] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t know. I think it’s kind of cool.
[00:12:02] Robbie Wagner: don’t really know what IBM has been doing. They’ve been acquiring a lot of people, like they acquired Red Hat, and they acquired HashiCorp, and like, so clearly they have big piles of money to acquire things that are doing well. so they must have been doing something.
[00:12:15] Robbie Wagner: But yeah, I mean, I always think of IBM as like, you know, I used to see that on like, my computer from 1996. Or whatever, like, I don’t remember, you know,
[00:12:25] Chuck Carpenter: DOS? Did you ever use
[00:12:27] Robbie Wagner: IBM has been like, doing this thing,
[00:12:29] Chuck Carpenter: Did you ever touch DOS?
[00:12:31] Robbie Wagner: A little. I forget what for. I feel like in Windows 95 you sometimes had to boot into DOS to do some stuff. I forget
[00:12:39] Chuck Carpenter: uh, I definitely got to use A computer that booted, I think the Atari computer that we had as a kid that would use your, , TV as a monitor was DOS on boot up. And we had those floppy disks that were like the bigger ones, not the like smaller three and a half inch ones,
[00:12:59] Chuck Carpenter: but [00:13:00] Yeah, the 5 inch or floppy. and those word games were on there. The like. Adventure games that were all text driven. , that was about my, the extent for me. And I remember it because my grandfather was actually a programmer for, , Procter Gamble. And when he passed, we ended up, you know, getting some hodgepodgey random things here and there.
[00:13:19] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, you have a computer, here’s some of his discs. And he didn’t have games, he had some programs. And he had actually some, like, yellow notepads of, like, Sketching out programming ideas. If only I had known better or not grown up in a horrible environment full of idiots, but I would still have that stuff, but I didn’t really know what to do with it.
[00:13:39] Chuck Carpenter: No one else knew what to do with it. It obviously just went away at some point. Anyway, that was my DOS experience.
[00:13:45] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I think it was, it probably was for games. There were probably like certain games that wouldn’t run in Windows. You had to boot into DOS to like run it or something. did you ever play Heretic?
[00:13:56] Chuck Carpenter: don’t think so.
[00:13:57] Robbie Wagner: that was one of my favorite games and it was on like three or four [00:14:00] floppies. I remember you’d have to like swap them out and stuff and
[00:14:03] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,
[00:14:04] Robbie Wagner: kind of funny.
[00:14:05] Chuck Carpenter: Zork was probably the most famous one that I
[00:14:08] Chuck Carpenter: played. I played Zork, and then there was a couple of games like that, you know, with the old text based stuff. But, uh, yeah, it was pretty cool. There was one that, I don’t remember what it was called. But it was one of those kind of games, you know, it was like a murder mystery thing or something, but what was cool was that in the game box, they gave you a few like physical elements, like you started out and you had like this letter and then you were going to use that letter to sort of like throughout the game, maybe unlock information and here’s a, I don’t know, a key or something.
[00:14:38] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t remember what it was, but I remember there was a letter distinctly and having physical elements and then be texting, you know, typing in to do stuff I thought was really cool.
[00:14:46] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. It’s like a, uh, escape room kind of like you’ve got your things that are clues and you’re trying to figure out what they mean and.
[00:14:53] Chuck Carpenter: exactly like that. Anyway, food for thought there, but uh, congratulations. When is your first day?
[00:14:59] Robbie Wagner: Uh, [00:15:00] March 17th, St. Patrick’s Day.
[00:15:01] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, okay, nice. are you Irish, at all?
[00:15:05] Robbie Wagner: Um, I think I do have some Irish, but not, not predominantly Irish. No,
[00:15:09] Chuck Carpenter: no. I’m Irish and German, predominantly.
[00:15:13] Robbie Wagner: I think I’m mostly English and little German.
[00:15:16] Chuck Carpenter: Mm, Those tiny Germans. Anyway,
[00:15:21] Chuck Carpenter: let’s see here. Oh, okay. I do want to talk about, this is a, uh, this is a technical thing. Although, I should mention, I also started a new job, so.
[00:15:30] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. I just looked at the notes and noticed you added to my bullet point. You or me or both?
[00:15:34] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, well I just wanted to make sure that, uh, when you said that, since I also have, and, you know, there’s this time of putting in your notice with your current employer and all of that kind of shit that, you know, I was clear on what we can talk about.
[00:15:49] Robbie Wagner: Yes. Yeah. I put in my notice on Monday, so,
[00:15:52] Chuck Carpenter: Cool. Uh, yes, so I’ve gone the other direction, Big, well, I guess not totally true, but like I was gonna say, uh, [00:16:00] Manina wants nothing to do with me and that’s okay. , I have joined a startup and startup’s kind of a loose way, but it is a cybersecurity training company. , the company’s been around for four years.
[00:16:12] Chuck Carpenter: , they have worked in the cybersecurity space the entire time, but more training versus assessment now. And, uh, some kind of cool things there. So I’ll be leading engineering for small team and, uh, we’ll see where that goes. I mean, Just in terms of I’m very excited about the company. I think there’s a lot of opportunity.
[00:16:32] Robbie Wagner: Nice. Yeah. When does a company stop being a startup?
[00:16:35] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t know They’re on would they just raised a series a I think it’s kind of starts. Well Obviously when you go public is one Obviously when you have been acquired as another I think when you start to hit series C Raises to a degree and you’re profitable then you stop being considered that or you know You have certain milestones in your revenue
[00:16:59] Robbie Wagner: [00:17:00] When you could survive more than like a month without VC funding.
[00:17:03] Chuck Carpenter: Exactly. Well, and that’s what appealed to me about this is non traditional. This is a company that’s in the black that uses revenue for growth instead of like supercharges from BCs. And
[00:17:16] Robbie Wagner: It’s unheard of. yeah, most of this is about, , growing, and doing more R and D. Actually, so it’s not even like, Oh, they need this to keep the doors open.
[00:17:27] Chuck Carpenter: Which appeals to me, because, , I’m getting older, and I can’t wait until I’m dead for, uh, you to figure out how to make money.
[00:17:35] Robbie Wagner: Yep.
[00:17:36] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, there’s that. Hmm.
[00:17:39] Robbie Wagner: I don’t want to go down this as a topic, but I think we, uh, have limited time that we can be programmers and still make money. So yeah, make money while you can, folks. Get those high paying
[00:17:50] Chuck Carpenter: make money, money, make money, money, sunshine. , that’s a camp, if you know, uh, Deep Cut right there, Camp Lowe. Nope, [00:18:00] you have no idea who that is.
[00:18:01] Robbie Wagner: I’m looking at the chat, uh, Cyrus is asking if John Hammond is part of whatever you’re talking about.
[00:18:07] Chuck Carpenter: Why can’t I see that?
[00:18:09] Robbie Wagner: It’s on the live stream chat.
[00:18:10] Chuck Carpenter: I know, but it’s like I’m in the app, , for Riverside. I’m
[00:18:14] Chuck Carpenter: trying
[00:18:15] Robbie Wagner: Oh yeah, it doesn’t have
[00:18:16] Chuck Carpenter: It doesn’t? Oh, that sucks.
[00:18:18] Robbie Wagner: think so. It also doesn’t have the go live button, so I just can’t use it at all.
[00:18:22] Chuck Carpenter: Uh, well, I won’t use it next time. So, John Hammond is not a part of that. John Ham or Hammond.
[00:18:29] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I’m familiar with Jon Hamm. I don’t know Jon Hammond.
[00:18:32] Chuck Carpenter: Han and Bubble. I wish Jon Hamm was part of this, but that would be really cool.
[00:18:37] Chuck Carpenter: I loved Mad Men. , no, he is not, since we are like 12 people. I know them all, and none of them are named Jon. Dear
[00:18:46] Robbie Wagner: Alright, well I’m glad we cleared that
[00:18:47] Chuck Carpenter: Yes.
[00:18:48] Chuck Carpenter: , Starpod. I want to talk about Starpod a little bit. , Starpod is a, , Robbie Wagner production, and it is an Astro,
[00:18:55] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, Robbie the Wagner production, and because you’ve done all of it, I have done none of it, and that [00:19:00] is fine with me.
[00:19:00] Chuck Carpenter: so tell us a little bit about what’s coming.
[00:19:03] Robbie Wagner: If you’re not using AstroDB and some kind of SQLite database to power said AstroDB, nothing new is coming for you. but I was adding, uh, cause we’ve had a, you know, the occasional sponsor that we want to put on an episode page or whatever. So I had like relationships for, the person being a host or a guest, and then being that host or guest record was associated with episodes.
[00:19:27] Robbie Wagner: That way you could have like a single person record. But multiple guests or whatever. cause like sequel doesn’t have a one to many relationship that I’ve been able to figure out, like you have to just do all these, like join everything together and like pretty fucking annoying, honestly. ,
[00:19:44] Chuck Carpenter: Well Tell us how you really feel.
[00:19:48] Robbie Wagner: so yeah, so you have to like, I’m doing a similar thing with sponsors. We’ve got like a sponsor and then like a sponsor per episode. And that, uh, populates the sponsors that you, you can have per episode. So [00:20:00] we have, , one up there for Norland glass, norlandglass. com. and you know, we’ll continue to use it for whoever may be sponsoring at the time, but then now you can put links on the pages and then, uh, coming after that, which will be totally irrelevant to anyone, but us, I’m going to put a whiskey stuff on there.
[00:20:17] Chuck Carpenter: Well, I disagree with that on a couple of levels. I have had a to do item for a while. And one of those is like, go back through our content and add it. Add to our spreadsheet any whiskeys that are missing, , because just sometimes, like if, in interest of over a three year period of not repeating ourselves, sometimes I gotta look and remember.
[00:20:38] Chuck Carpenter: , there’s also been times where I actually have wanted to, I’ll use the whole Google search where it’s like sitewhiskey. fm. And then I’ll look for the whiskey, and it doesn’t come up, but it doesn’t mean it’s actually not there. And then I’ve gone to the spreadsheet and then found it. And so I think having whiskeys, better represented in the site will improve that, like, search experience.
[00:20:59] Chuck Carpenter: Although I do [00:21:00] think we should have search, that would be cool too.
[00:21:01] Robbie Wagner: Yes, search, search has been avoided because I don’t really want to touch that. Okay. So if that’s gonna happen, I should do it. Gotcha.
[00:21:10] Robbie Wagner: well, search is in the mocks, like it was planned for. I just haven’t done it. But what I meant by it not mattering to anyone wasn’t that the info wasn’t relevant. I meant if another podcast is using StarPod, they’re probably not going to have whiskeys.
[00:21:23] Robbie Wagner: So like, it won’t matter to the, to the consumer of StarPod. Like it will matter to people looking at our page. They’ll think that’s a cool little thing to see, I’m sure.
[00:21:32] Chuck Carpenter: I wonder if you could have it, have it as a more like abstracted object, like review item or review product or I don’t know, product. Maybe you have a product association and it’s more generalized like that. And then we could have our own custom metafields or something.
[00:21:48] Robbie Wagner: Sounds like you’re volunteering to architect that part of StarPod.
[00:21:52] Chuck Carpenter: I am a staff principal engineer at star pod dot dev. And, uh, yeah, it’s [00:22:00] amazing.
[00:22:00] Robbie Wagner: Sounds legit.
[00:22:02] Chuck Carpenter: I’m not saying no. I’m not saying no. Because I think it is cool and useful. So, we’ll see. I am trying to have like, fewer jobs and responsibilities in life. So, I would love to do more open source work.
[00:22:16] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, speaking of which, I uh, also have been working on updating Shepard to Svelte 5, which has been,
[00:22:23] Chuck Carpenter: Did Rich send you some money? Or anything? Like No.
[00:22:28] Robbie Wagner: No, it’s uh, the like, overall principles make sense to update to, but then you have problems with like, All this janky shit we were doing where it’s like, you know, build it normally, but then also grab all the like types and like run it through a TypeScript bundle generator that will generate a single TypeScript declaration file so that if you’re using ESM or CJS, you can import the ones you need.
[00:22:54] Robbie Wagner: And like, it all just works. so that stuff is not working well. [00:23:00] And currently like it won’t even run but it does build so I’m like How does it build and then do nothing and have no errors like I’m doing something
[00:23:09] Chuck Carpenter: right. Weird.
[00:23:10] Robbie Wagner: I’m, hopeful that will be done sometime soon because it’ll be cool to Have that up to date and be on the new runes stuff and get all the the latest stuff I I saw something about like svelte sixes on the horizon as
[00:23:22] Chuck Carpenter: the fuck? We’re just trying to catch up, bro. And then there’s Tailwind 4. And then people have been
[00:23:27] Chuck Carpenter: saying things about Tailwind 4. There’s like, yeah, there’s a lot. I’m not chasing versions though, so.
[00:23:33] Robbie Wagner: No. Yeah. So we’ll see if that actually gets done or not, but I tried to do it with AI too. I was like, yo dog, just update this to spell five for me. It’s like, cool. Got you. Did it done? And I was like, um, yeah, this error, it says there’s no CSS file. And it’s like, uh, no, it didn’t. I’m like, all right, cool.
[00:23:52] Chuck Carpenter: dog, I’m not paying you. , what is your current AI of choice?
[00:23:58] Robbie Wagner: like which LLM do I
[00:23:59] Chuck Carpenter: [00:24:00] are just, yeah. What tool set break
[00:24:02] Chuck Carpenter: down the
[00:24:02] Robbie Wagner: so I’m, I’m doing most things through warps, agent mode, which, I think we’ll run any of them, but I use a Claude 3. 5. I’ve read a lot of people on Twitter said 3. 7 is too intense. So I haven’t, haven’t been doing
[00:24:15] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Okay. That’s fair. Yeah. That’s the default through their web interface. But, uh, I mean, I’ve tried cursor. I tried windsurfer recently. what’s funny is so with new job, you get new laptop and I decided to set it up anti me. It’s like, what would you use? Oh, I term. Right. I mean, no, not quite there.
[00:24:36] Chuck Carpenter: I have done that on the Linux laptop, actually, though. Typecraft has some videos with, , Omacube and taking you into the tools there and NeoVim, a little bit. So I did play with some of those. , and there’s another one too. Anyway, Alacrity, I think. Anyway, doesn’t matter. Tangental.
[00:24:53] Chuck Carpenter: Yes, but that’s not the Mac laptop. So I have a M4, Mac Pro, MacBook Pro. So I was like, okay, [00:25:00] starting from zero again. Like I didn’t transfer my profile. I just decided like my dot files, everything’s a little antiquated. I’m in my lane. It works for me. I’m going to anti that. Start fresh, some different stuff.
[00:25:14] Chuck Carpenter: did not try Phish though. But anyway,
[00:25:16] Robbie Wagner: You gotta do fish.
[00:25:17] Chuck Carpenter: going to be very proud though. desktop. I’m using that, ghosty, so it didn’t do warp, but I have tried warp in the past, so I was like, I haven’t tried this. I’m going to do ghosty and then, I added a cursor there.
[00:25:29] Chuck Carpenter: I added windsurfer. So windsurfer is kind of cool. I kind of like that interface. Some I was looking actually just recently at Claude code. So that’s like your terminal hits the API directly, which is interesting to, yeah, just like. I’m going to start fresh and try some different interfaces. Windsurfer, I really, I don’t know.
[00:25:49] Chuck Carpenter: I did like Windsurfer a lot. I’m not sure if I’m going to pay for it or not yet.
[00:25:54] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I’ve, heard most people like first haven’t really even tried it, [00:26:00] I don’t know why it doesn’t get a lot of love. Like cursor gets a ton of love, but,
[00:26:04] Chuck Carpenter: Which one is based in San Francisco? I think that’s part of it. I think that there is like,
[00:26:08] Chuck Carpenter: off-air I’d call it the Circle Jerk Crew. And there’s a lot, there’s like, a group of tools And
[00:26:13] Chuck Carpenter: companies and they invest in each other and they do all this stuff and they also like pump each other as like the stack du jour and this is how I get so much done if you just follow me you’ll be an amazing engineer and you’ll be able to call yourself engineer and do what I say
[00:26:31] Chuck Carpenter: And they’re a southern gentleman, it sounds like. I’ve got here for you some fried chicken and Next.js I I do say The perfect combo.
[00:26:41] Chuck Carpenter: Perfect combo. Mashed potatoes on top, but gotta have the gravy. And by gravy, I mean Cursor AI. I should do a whole episode as the colonel. That would be amazing. you know, a secret part of me has Always kind of wanted to be a voice actor.
[00:26:59] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t [00:27:00] even know if that like because I do like different voices and impressions and That just sounds fun. It probably doesn’t make any money. But boy, does it sound fun?
[00:27:11] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. I think it only makes money when you’re already really famous and people want to see what you can do.
[00:27:15] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, like when Brad Pitt is like, oh I want to do a cartoon so my kids can watch it like Oh, good for you Brad Pitt, one more fuckin house. Or, you know, it’s like,
[00:27:25] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. Here’s 5 million.
[00:27:27] Chuck Carpenter: yeah. Yeah, thanks for, uh, thanks for 30 minutes of work. See ya later, bitch. Here comes Charles William Carpenter III. We got him for the next 64 hours.
[00:27:35] Chuck Carpenter: He also made 64. Yeah, yeah,
[00:27:41] Robbie Wagner: that sounds right.
[00:27:42] Chuck Carpenter: yeah.
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[00:28:15] Robbie Wagner: to regress back for just a second,
[00:28:17] Chuck Carpenter: hmm.
[00:28:18] Robbie Wagner: I think when we convert to Svelte 5 we should also say we’re only going to ship ESM because I’m tired of this bullshit with the ESM
[00:28:26] Chuck Carpenter: Right. feature wise, you know, what, what else feature wise can we do? I mean, we can Add some additional nice to have customers. I don’t, I really think feature wise, we’re very mature and backwards compatibility. And there was a recent argument on Twitter yet again.
[00:28:42] Chuck Carpenter: Also, yet again, you Ryan Florence, why are you always arguing with people, but
[00:28:47] Robbie Wagner: Because he has the wrong opinions.
[00:28:50] Chuck Carpenter: fair enough. Maybe, maybe not. But,
[00:28:52] Robbie Wagner: He’s the one that was like, let is so much better than
[00:28:55] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, right. Yeah. ember folk also think that. So I don’t [00:29:00] know. Yeah, anyway, so open source arguments about backwards compatibility, and let’s be honest too, we, we’re not a web framework, like, I actually, I agree with you, let me just go ahead and cut to the chase here, I agree with you, I think that at a certain point, we are not required to release future versions that are compatible in perpetuity with, IE7, like, I don’t give a fuck, to a point, A web standards movement actually would be better served by things only being accessible to the future state. And that’s what major versions are for. just don’t upgrade. Like, version pin. Does your shit work? Just version pin then.
[00:29:39] Robbie Wagner: I think the big problem and why people need all these different formats and whatever is like, people are using different frameworks with different typescript configs and different module formats and they put it on like, module, I forget what it’s called, but the one where it’s like node and node actually means node 16, like a super end of life
[00:29:59] Chuck Carpenter: wow.
[00:29:59] Robbie Wagner: [00:30:00] node. Or maybe even older and maybe there’s a node 16. That’s a little newer I might be right like it’s the oldest fuck node and then people are like it doesn’t work with this and i’m like I don’t want it to work with that. Like I want it to be like It should probably Kind of behave with like node 20, node 22, whatever, like newer ones.
[00:30:20] Robbie Wagner: But it, I don’t think it should behave with the other ones and then in the perfect world It should only work with bundler because bundler is like your front end. I’m running it through Vite or whatever and like we can’t run server side anyway, it doesn’t work server side. It’s not supposed to.
[00:30:35] Robbie Wagner: It needs a lot of Windows stuff so like We should probably just support the like bleeding edge browser ESM.
[00:30:42] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I think LTS is, , 18 right now, so. I mean, I don’t think,
[00:30:47] Chuck Carpenter: I Well, I think 20 is end of life soon too.
[00:30:50] Chuck Carpenter: Right, it goes to maintenance mode, so it’s not end of life per se. Like, 18 is a end of maintenance, so yeah, [00:31:00] right, exactly. So in that sense, 18 is end of maintenance, I don’t know, I can’t tell if this is mid April or May, but give or take this year.
[00:31:08] Chuck Carpenter: 20 will go into April of 2026, 22 is in active development, you know. So, anyway, all of that is to say is 16. If that, I didn’t realize that meant 16. And yeah, to my, and if you’re on those things, then you should understand how to more actively manage your dependencies. You should be. pinning to specific versions, and then you get to the last maintenance release of a patch, and you’re done.
[00:31:40] Chuck Carpenter: Right? Like, don’t do anything else.
[00:31:42] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I updated Angular Shepard to like all the latest Shepard stuff. And it broke everybody’s types because they were using node. Like, I think that’s the default. When you spin up an Angular project, it uses the old node one. Either that’s the default or it used to be the default and no one’s changed it since they’ve been building their projects, [00:32:00] but everyone was like, Hey, the types don’t work.
[00:32:02] Robbie Wagner: And I was like, can you just change that to bundler? And one guy was like, yep, did it works? And I was like, all right, cool. And then other guys like, oh, I got to keep it on nodes. It doesn’t work. And I’m like, I just don’t want to spend the time debugging your legacy shit.
[00:32:13] Chuck Carpenter: I think that Wrappers. I have diminishing returns. So we retired the react
[00:32:20] Robbie Wagner: I don’t know, 50 cents making pretty good money.
[00:32:23] Chuck Carpenter: With a w rapper with a w and is he because he’s had his ups and downs these days, but you
[00:32:28] Robbie Wagner: Yeah,
[00:32:29] Robbie Wagner: it was just for the purpose of the
[00:32:30] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, but um I mean, he’s one that you can still talk about and touch without I think without issue to the most part,
[00:32:40] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.
[00:32:40] Chuck Carpenter: you don’t have to love him as a human, but uh, he didn’t diddle any kids, so He didn’t diddy any kids.
[00:32:46] Chuck Carpenter: How about that?
[00:32:48] Chuck Carpenter: And he’s not wearing Nazi symbols. Although, that’s now being spun as performance art. I don’t know. Whatever.
[00:32:54] Chuck Carpenter: Here’s a question. So Wu Tang is doing like their third final tour. there’s a part of me that is like, [00:33:00] Wow, that’d be amazing. I’ve seen them once, but it’s been a while.
[00:33:02] Chuck Carpenter: Like 20 years from the last time or something. maybe longer. amazing, 20 years ago, but it’s all, like, relative in that sense. It’s like, don’t want to see a bunch of 50 year olds bounce around. I don’t know, I have seen
[00:33:12] Chuck Carpenter: Method Man rap recently, and he is still, like, probably better than half of what you hear today.
[00:33:18] Chuck Carpenter: Like, Flo. Nobody has Flo anymore.
[00:33:20] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, no cuz it’s all electronic but yeah like I Think it depends. Also, depending on the price because like they’re not in their prime. It would probably be fun to watch but it’s not gonna be
[00:33:33] Robbie Wagner: Super great
[00:33:34] Chuck Carpenter: You know what they are still, though?
[00:33:35] Robbie Wagner: What?
[00:33:36] Chuck Carpenter: Ain’t nothin to fuck with.
[00:33:37] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.
[00:33:40] Chuck Carpenter: That’s probably still true. But uh,
[00:33:41] Chuck Carpenter: yeah,
[00:33:42] Robbie Wagner: yeah, it’s, it just, there’s something about, being a rapper and trying to be like, I’m so, hood and gangsta, and like, you’re like 65 years old or whatever, and it’s like, I don’t believe that narrative anymore. Like
[00:33:55] Chuck Carpenter: right. Like anyonee who gets rich improves their quality of life and in [00:34:00] turn, that affects them in some ways. I mean, I guess that is another thing about like, I think a struggle and like things like that. Influence art in certain ways, and I think that’s why so many bands or groups or artists will kind of flop on their sophomore effort because once they get a little taste and get out of like Poverty or whatever is, you know, if they solve the problem that kind of influenced the art and that’s all they had to give, then that’s the end of it, right?
[00:34:31] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, it’s not real anymore. Yeah, it’s not real and then you’re manufactured or you know, it’s like So then skill comes into place because I think that’s the the Eminem Marshall Mathers story is that once he wasn’t an addict and he wasn’t poor and he wasn’t like all of those things kind of went away But then he had rap battles to deal with still in his life and then oh he was he’s so skilled like he’s still Probably one of the [00:35:00] best freestyle rappers you can’t fuck with that.
[00:35:04] Chuck Carpenter: So he can still, like, kind of do good, entertaining things, but it’s not about, like, how mom’s spaghetti does jack shit.
[00:35:10] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. I mean, I think it’s interesting. , Ice Cube and Ice T and like the stuff they’ve been acting in, like, you know, Ice Cube’s got like his like kids movies and then, uh, Ice T is like on Law Order SVU for the
[00:35:23] Chuck Carpenter: I love that for him, though. Yeah.
[00:35:25] Robbie Wagner: but it’s like, you know, they’re all like, yeah, I’m, I’m a cop killer. I’m here to be the cop.
[00:35:30] Robbie Wagner: Uh,
[00:35:30] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, now I’m thinking, that’s true, like he had a metal band, cop killer and all that stuff. Well, Ice T’s things though, his stuff was based on, a book by Iceberg Slim. Like, that whole pimp stuff, and like, gangster hustler shit. he was there and saw some of that, but a big part of that character was this book he read.
[00:35:51] Chuck Carpenter: because he was actually in one of those breaking breakdancer movies also. So early Ice Cube, or Ice T, was [00:36:00] not
[00:36:00] Chuck Carpenter: hard like that. I don’t think he, but he was in the scene. You know, he was like rapid, like early rap was lighthearted and fun. It was a way to sort of be like, yeah, this kind of sucks, but here we are.
[00:36:11] Chuck Carpenter: We’re dancing, we’re doing these, and we have great beats and all of that. So, Anyway, yeah, most of it is a facade and acting and playing a part. Jay Z said that’s, I mean he did sell crack rock in his palm. And that’s what started his record label, so good for you, but, yeah, there’s always like kind of a line there.
[00:36:32] Chuck Carpenter: I mean, 50 Cent, you’re a hero. He was shot. He was kind of a banger. Yeah, so that’s fucking real. How do you get shot nine times? You sell records out of the back of your car, and then you date that Chelsea Handler. That’s interesting. Like, I think they’re both interesting people. Like, you know, they connected.
[00:36:53] Chuck Carpenter: They’re artists, I guess? I don’t know. never would have, you never would have put that on your bingo card. Yeah, he [00:37:00] invested in vitamin water. He was like, what’s this bullshit? I don’t know, give me my
[00:37:03] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. He lost a hundred pounds to play a cancer patient in a movie, which I never saw.
[00:37:09] Chuck Carpenter: I didn’t see it either, but I remember reading that. Yeah.
[00:37:12] Robbie Wagner: what a waste. Please give me your a hundred pounds of muscle. I would take it.
[00:37:15] Chuck Carpenter: Well, Christian Bale did that with The Machinist. Did you ever see that? Cause that is worth watching. He got, like, anorexic, like, crazy skinny. And did that, like, nothing underground movie. And then he had to put a hundred and plus pounds of muscle on to play Batman.
[00:37:36] Robbie Wagner: Yeah,
[00:37:36] Robbie Wagner: I
[00:37:44] Chuck Carpenter: So he could get so thin for the machinist. You should watch that movie. It is insane.
[00:37:49] Robbie Wagner: mean, that’s a dedication to your craft.
[00:37:52] Chuck Carpenter: I respect that.
[00:37:53] Chuck Carpenter: No, I mean, heh, heh, Turns out to build a website, you can eat all you want. They don’t give a
[00:37:59] Chuck Carpenter: [00:38:00] shit. Eat
[00:38:00] Robbie Wagner: I Eat exclusively taco bell and it works out great.
[00:38:03] Chuck Carpenter: yeah. I do have a plan to have this, um, sort of Pepsi challenge with my son. We have had Taco Bell. I mean, I think their supreme crunchy tacos are like, That to me is like the baseline.
[00:38:16] Chuck Carpenter: It’s like, it’s good. This is what I’m here for. I like it. I don’t want your weird, gordita, wrappy, like, whatever bullshit.
[00:38:23] Robbie Wagner: they have a new thing that you need to try. They are, you know, the Crunchwrap, right?
[00:38:28] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, only because I’ve seen people, post cooking videos about how to make your own.
[00:38:34] Robbie Wagner: Well, they have Crunchwrap sliders, like mini ones.
[00:38:37] Robbie Wagner: And they come with, queso and you dip them in
[00:38:39] Robbie Wagner: it and it is
[00:38:40] Chuck Carpenter: does sound
[00:38:41] Robbie Wagner: fire. Yeah.
[00:38:47] Chuck Carpenter: like, American fast food crunchy tacos. And for us here, you’ve got. Taco Bell Del Taco, [00:39:00] and they’re not that far from each other so I can like go get
[00:39:03] Robbie Wagner: I think if you’re getting a standard taco. I don’t think it’s going to be hard to be Taco Bell.
[00:39:10] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah have you had Del Taco?
[00:39:13] Robbie Wagner: I think,
[00:39:14] Chuck Carpenter: doesn’t stand out for you
[00:39:16] Chuck Carpenter: We also have Jack in the Box We also have Jack in the Box tacos which for some
[00:39:20] Chuck Carpenter: stupid reason people like they I think they are I did let my son try them because he was like I want to try that and I don’t know I was like sure Be underwhelmed.
[00:39:30] Chuck Carpenter: And he was like, these are great. And I was like, well, we really set the bar low, I guess. Because they’re so bad that they’re like, kinda crunchy, but also kinda soggy. Cause they just like, put meat with grease in there. And it’s a slice of American cheese. It’s not even shredded cheese. They don’t
[00:39:44] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, Burger King also has tacos for what it’s worth.
[00:39:49] Chuck Carpenter: don’t do that.
[00:39:49] Robbie Wagner: I just saw them on the menu one time and went, what, why? Okay,
[00:39:58] Chuck Carpenter: I’m reminded of when [00:40:00] Mercedes released a minivan. And I was like I know why they did it because that’s when they did the Daimler Chrysler thing, but I was like, it was a Mercedes Chrysler minivan. I was like, just don’t, no, that’s not your thing.
[00:40:13] Robbie Wagner: I also was very upset with Taco Bell for the nacho fries. Cause they kept hyping it up about like, we got these nacho fries and we made all these commercials with all these famous actors and nacho fries are such a big deal. I’m like, guys, fries are a burger joint thing. You’re not supposed to have fries.
[00:40:29] Robbie Wagner: And I tried them one time and I was like, man, this is dumb. These are just fries. I don’t want to get fries here. Now fast forward a couple of years when they came back.
[00:40:37] Robbie Wagner: And Finn really likes them. And I was like, I’ll try them. And I was like, actually these are pretty fire. Like whatever, seasoning they put on it is like crack.
[00:40:46] Robbie Wagner: It’s like, so good.
[00:40:48] Chuck Carpenter: Okay, I just want to make sure they’re not like, O’rida, crinkle cut, like, bullshit.
[00:40:54] Robbie Wagner: No, they’re not crinkle cut. I think they’re like everyone’s fries mostly are. Where they like, [00:41:00] puree the potato and form it back into fries.
[00:41:04] Chuck Carpenter: okay.
[00:41:05] Robbie Wagner: that’s what most fast food does.
[00:41:07] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, it’s a mashed potato in, in a crunchy kind of thing. Okay. Well, I mean, maybe that’s what I say about that. Maybe. I mean, I don’t know what I’m going to see you next, but I will commit to if it’s in person, I’ll try some nacho
[00:41:23] Robbie Wagner: Well, they’re gone now they’re gone they’ll come they’ll come back they’re like the McRib they come
[00:41:27] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Oof. Yeah, but every time the McRib comes, I think about it, and then I say, no. I’m like, I’m not 22 anymore, and I don’t want to.
[00:41:40] Robbie Wagner: I remember them being a thing and I was always just like I’d rather have like a quarter pounder. I
[00:41:44] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. You know what I akin this to is that Applebee’s also seasonally does unlimited riblets. Which, like, what are riblets? I don’t know. They’re ribs. They’re smaller. they used to be fine, but when they would do the unlimited, [00:42:00] with friends, I would be like, I haven’t eaten today. And then we would just try to crush three, four baskets of riblets.
[00:42:06] Robbie Wagner: I liked the uh, TGI Friday’s Unlimited Apps. I would go just get plates and plates of wings and just
[00:42:13] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.
[00:42:14] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, exactly. But if you did that today, I think you’d be disappointed. Well, first of all, because you can’t go to a Friday’s. I don’t think they exist at all anymore,
[00:42:26] Chuck Carpenter: right?
[00:42:26] Robbie Wagner: be true. Are they out of business? I went to one probably, um, five years
[00:42:32] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, there there is a website. So I’m going to tell you live right now. Then we’re going to talk
[00:42:38] Chuck Carpenter: about something
[00:42:38] Robbie Wagner: is an interesting, Interesting point because I’ve been, Friday’s was on, the food that built America. Have you watched that at all?
[00:42:46] Chuck Carpenter: , well, yeah, yeah, I’ve seen some.
[00:42:49] Robbie Wagner: all these things like are killing it to the point where like someone comes in an investor and is like, we should franchise this. Then they franchise it and everything [00:43:00] blows.
[00:43:00] Robbie Wagner: Why can’t we franchise something? Well, like I guess Chipotle is. Pretty good like but are they franchised or are they all
[00:43:08] Chuck Carpenter: Well, they’re they’re definitely franchised, I think. Um, well, I don’t know, but I know that they have had about a lot of blowback in the last year or so about quality.
[00:43:17] Chuck Carpenter: And so all of these things, when they grow and they get investment, tend to have, quality dings.
[00:43:25] Chuck Carpenter: and that’s, that’s probably a subject for another day, but like.
[00:43:29] Chuck Carpenter: It’s not limited to restaurants, by the way. So VCs, private equity, have gotten involved in so many things. They’re not just buying houses, trying to rent them. They’re also buying services for these houses. So, like, they will buy, you know, major plumbing groups and stuff in, in the area. And then that’s all of a sudden how you get plumbers trying to, , pitch you a subscription model.
[00:43:53] Chuck Carpenter: So you get prioritized, uh, appointments and stuff.
[00:43:56] Chuck Carpenter: And Yeah, my water company that does our well stuff, they [00:44:00] just came here the other day and they said they were just bought by some big firm. So they like, their prices went up like 10 percent because, just because they’re owned by someone. Like, this is bullshit.
[00:44:09] Chuck Carpenter: it is bullshit. So, yeah, I mean, mom and pops are like, prime to do well in communities, I think. Like, if you don’t, if you set up a service, and you are not owned by a big corporation, I think you’re prime to do well.
[00:44:25] Robbie Wagner: I think this is a thing people, So if you are starting to realize, if you’re like a company like that and you want to retire or you want some money and you want to do something else, you can sell it to another, like you can sell it to us
[00:44:38] Robbie Wagner: and like we can run it as still a mom and pop kind of shop.
[00:44:42] Robbie Wagner: You can get your payout still and it doesn’t have to be owned by a big corporation.
[00:44:47] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. don’t take the big cash. Think about, like, Your employees in the next decade, multiple decades and everything else.
[00:44:56] Robbie Wagner: And just keep some equity. Like if you want to. You might not get as big of [00:45:00] an initial payout, but if you still own 40 percent or something and like they run it well for 10 years, you’ve got tons of money.
[00:45:07] Robbie Wagner: So I don’t know.
[00:45:08] Chuck Carpenter: What service business would you like? Cause I think I would be into being a like, electrician or something like that.
[00:45:15] Chuck Carpenter: I
[00:45:15] Robbie Wagner: I love basic electrician work, like putting in new switches and plugs and light fixtures. I think it would be tedious to run a wire from like one end of the house to another
[00:45:29] Robbie Wagner: without ripping the walls down. Like, I, I don’t like that where you’re fishing a thing through like all day long.
[00:45:35] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, well, I’ve been lucky enough as a teenager. well, it was a complicated relationship. So it was like, supposed to be a stepdad at a point. Didn’t go to fruition, but anyway. Blah blah blah, he was an electrician, and he was running wiring at, , a holiday inn that was being built. And myself and my stepbrother.
[00:45:55] Chuck Carpenter: Went out there to help him, , and, yeah, I mean, like, we, [00:46:00] he just told us what to do, and we ran the wires, and did all the stuff, and I was like, yeah, this
[00:46:03] Robbie Wagner: Well, new construction is extremely fun because nothing is in your way. I did that, like we did like a church mission trip thing and wired a whole house.
[00:46:12] Robbie Wagner: Cuz, and it’s like, it’s empty, so you just run it along the studs and like staple it where you need to, run it through holes, like,
[00:46:19] Chuck Carpenter: Create your holes, do all that stuff,
[00:46:21] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.
[00:46:22] Robbie Wagner: But when it, when the walls exist,
[00:46:24] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, Yeah, it’s a it’s a, lot harder, like, fishing stuff and stuff. Yeah, because I’ve, like, looked a little bit into, like, Oh, if you wanted to run Cat6 through your whole house or whatever, What does that look like? Well, it looks like a pain in the ass you pay
[00:46:36] Robbie Wagner: Mm hmm. I have my electrician do it.
[00:46:39] Robbie Wagner: He has all these like sticks that he feeds through with everything. And he’ll like you, you try to get it to like one, , can light to where you can see it and then you can pull it through more and then you do the next, like you’re finding a, B, C, all the points you go to.
[00:46:53] Robbie Wagner: But yeah, it’s, I need quick wins. Like if I can do like this outlet will be replaced and [00:47:00] it will work within, you know, five minutes. that’s what I want.
[00:47:03] Chuck Carpenter: I do think there’s some opportunity there and I do think that private equity has invaded every single source of our life. They’re like, how do we maximize profit everywhere, maximize, maximize, maximize. Capitalism has taken a weird turn, like capitalism at its heart, I don’t think there’s a problem with that, but like maximizing shareholder value.
[00:47:29] Chuck Carpenter: In every facet of my life, doesn’t serve me or my community to its best extent, and that is the fucking problem.
[00:47:36] Robbie Wagner: as all these big corporations own everything, and as all of us get replaced by A. I. I just don’t understand what’s going to happen. let’s say, uh, I don’t know, you know, you’ve got, I don’t know how many single family homes you might have in America. Let’s say 200 million, whatever. If a hundred million of those the mortgage can’t be paid because everyone’s been replaced by AI. All right. I’m a rich [00:48:00] billionaire. Why would I want to own these homes? Right? Because like they can’t pay me. So what happens to the homes like what’s the point at this point the bank owns them all and then no one can buy Them because no one makes any money
[00:48:09] Chuck Carpenter: That’s the argument for UBI. That’s the argument
[00:48:12] Robbie Wagner: but but ubi will not pay for Upper middle class mortgages, it’ll pay for like, you know your rent for
[00:48:19] Chuck Carpenter: That assumes
[00:48:20] Chuck Carpenter: a class system, and so that gets diminished. because there’s two things I want to talk about before we end. Number one thing. So post apocalyptic society, right? Because that’s the alternative. If you don’t have UBI and you equalize things between the ultra rich and your society because there’s no middle.
[00:48:41] Chuck Carpenter: So you’re elevating the lower, and you’re equalizing the middle, I think.
[00:48:47] Chuck Carpenter: silo. it’s an intent to that, and it didn’t go well. So, these are the silos. These are the experiments. So
[00:48:56] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. I mean, have you read the books? Do you know anything past season [00:49:00] two?
[00:49:00] Chuck Carpenter: I didn’t read the books. I watched season one and two. And then, so here’s, here’s the backstory there.
[00:49:06] Robbie Wagner: Oh, well, if you know things past season two, don’t tell me because I I’m not going to no spoilers here. It’s just this in that we watched season one and two. We both were like, Oh, we love it. We’re inspired. my wife, she goes and gets The third book. And I said, wait a minute. Why are you jumping ahead? And she’s like, well, I’ve already seen the first two seasons.
[00:49:29] Chuck Carpenter: I’ve already basically read the first two books I’m gonna go and do this and I said that’s bullshit because the books always give you more context Like why wouldn’t you want that? You’re like, you like it. You’re you’re getting more content about it Read the first two and she said nah, and I think you should read it
[00:49:50] Robbie Wagner: and I think I like doing it that way would ruin the third season of the show for me Like I wouldn’t want to watch it after that because it’s going to be different
[00:49:59] Robbie Wagner: [00:50:00] and it’s like
[00:50:01] Robbie Wagner: Yeah,
[00:50:01] Robbie Wagner: but like I have you know a bunch of theories around how they all got there and stuff and I don’t know if we want to Discuss them necessarily.
[00:50:09] Robbie Wagner: But yeah, I I agree with you that that it could be that could be a real thing of like the ultra wealthy have some sort of experiment with all the rest of us
[00:50:18] Chuck Carpenter: isn’t that, fallout also like similar thing where,
[00:50:23] Robbie Wagner: No fallout wasn’t intentional it was just like the whole world Blew up and was irradiated.
[00:50:28] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, but the rich people had
[00:50:32] Robbie Wagner: Well, that’s true, I guess
[00:50:33] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, they could, you know, they were just
[00:50:35] Chuck Carpenter: able to, They could buy into this. So instead of built, like what happens right now is the billionaires can have their own fallout shelters. And instead it was more like you can buy your way into this as an option. And then it happened.
[00:50:51] Chuck Carpenter: And so they, you know, went into it. So.
[00:50:54] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, that’s true. Yeah. I mean a lot of that stuff could uh, very possibly happen. So[00:51:00]
[00:51:00] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, World War III.
[00:51:02] Chuck Carpenter: , on a lighter note, You’ve been to Miami. Would you recommend other people go to Miami?
[00:51:09] Robbie Wagner: yes, I’ve been to Miami twice. I don’t really know a ton about Miami, honestly, other than there is a really good react conference there.
[00:51:17] Chuck Carpenter: Where can folks find you during that conference?
[00:51:21] Robbie Wagner: where can they find me
[00:51:22] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, not there,
[00:51:23] Robbie Wagner: if you, if you, if you would like to go. You can find Charles William Carpenter, the third alongside Aaron, middle name Francis, they will be hosting rum
[00:51:35] Chuck Carpenter: Wait, is that his middle name?
[00:51:37] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, you mean insert middle name. I see.
[00:51:40] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I just, I’m
[00:51:43] Chuck Carpenter: or something. You gotta go like this. Uh, Aaron. Francis.
[00:51:48] Robbie Wagner: I’m going to say Joseph Aaron, Joseph Francis.
[00:51:50] Chuck Carpenter: that seems good. He’s not Mormon, though. So, I don’t know.
[00:51:55] Robbie Wagner: I don’t know. It just popped in my head. This just felt right. It’s probably not at all.
[00:51:59] Chuck Carpenter: [00:52:00] Yeah,
[00:52:00] Chuck Carpenter: We’ll find out. We’ll learn. That’ll be one of my questions for him. And I think we’ll find out.
[00:52:06] Robbie Wagner: but it should be a fun time. We haven’t booked guests yet. I’m going to mandate that you do somewhere between two to five episodes, depending on how the setup is, what the timing is, whatever. So more than one for sure.
[00:52:18] Robbie Wagner: So, you know, hang out. The timing will be probably posted somewhere if you’re there and you want to see it. React Miami in general is essentially the tech Twitter conference is what I would call it. Like everyone you argue with will be there. Most of them don’t use React and actually kind of hate React, but they’ll still be there.
[00:52:36] Chuck Carpenter: I mean, if you think about it, so the hosts are Madison, Kana and Ken Wheeler
[00:52:41] Chuck Carpenter: and, uh,
[00:52:42] Robbie Wagner: React?
[00:52:43] Chuck Carpenter: Do they, like, are they pro React? I don’t know.
[00:52:47] Robbie Wagner: I don’t think they’re necessarily React evangelists, but they use React in their job.
[00:52:53] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, for sure. I think those are very, Like, if I was gonna bookend a conference and think about, [00:53:00] You know, people on different ends of the, like, chill spectrum, The chill spectrum, I’m gonna call it the chill spectrum. Yeah, that one makes sense to me.
[00:53:11] Robbie Wagner: If you play your cards, right? Dax will not invite you to his party. So you have that to look forward
[00:53:15] Chuck Carpenter: Everyone’s invited unless you are an asshole or you mess it up. Yeah, that’s true. And that’s kind of how it is. How come you’ve never been invited?
[00:53:23] Robbie Wagner: I don’t know. I mean, it’s probably the same reason I was never promoted at Amazon. I’m just an asshole.
[00:53:28] Chuck Carpenter: thing. Well, what he said to me was like, I invited you. I just kind of thought that was, you know, plus one. And then when you’re like, I can’t make it. He’s like, that’s why I never invited
[00:53:39] Chuck Carpenter: him.
[00:53:40] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I know. I think it’s a, uh, it’s an open invite to most
[00:53:43] Chuck Carpenter: It is. Yeah,
[00:53:44] Robbie Wagner: like, yeah, like there were like easily like 50 people there last time.
[00:53:50] Chuck Carpenter: I think it’s gonna be more.
[00:53:52] Chuck Carpenter: I
[00:53:52] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. Cause cause now it’s, it’s a known thing. So the people that missed out are like, I’m coming.
[00:53:58] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, [00:54:00] exactly. Yeah, which means I’m probably just gonna stay in the hotel and play games. I don’t need to be there. Yeah, I’m gonna skip
[00:54:08] Chuck Carpenter: it.
[00:54:08] Robbie Wagner: Well, just send Aaron. I do think you guys should play a fun game of like, Aaron should just be me. Just be like, Hey, I’m, I’m Robbie the Wagner.
[00:54:17] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, hi, this is Robbie the Wagner. I am Wagner ing right now.
[00:54:23] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I am from Virginia,
[00:54:25] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Or no. Is he from Texas or just lives in
[00:54:29] Chuck Carpenter: Texas? See, there’s so many things to be learned.
[00:54:33] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. Well, I think we’re probably about to add time.
[00:54:37] Chuck Carpenter: I think we’ve covered the bases. uh, time zones are gonna change for everyone else but me this weekend. And I am bitter about that because you’re not a fucking farmer. What’s your problem? Just stay
[00:54:51] Robbie Wagner: that means that we’re further apart in time again,
[00:54:54] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yep, that’s why it annoys me. [00:55:00] Andiamo.
[00:55:01] Robbie Wagner: All right. Anything you want to plug?
[00:55:03] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, anagramsecurity. com. If you are an idiot and don’t know how to protect yourself, there are courses here you should ask your company for. This is not a sponsored post, by the
[00:55:19] Chuck Carpenter: way. So anyway, that’s where I work and and
[00:55:23] Robbie Wagner: Chuck used to work there until that,
[00:55:25] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I got fired right now. If you all are wondering why I’m looking for another job, that’s why. so folks know that I love Darknet Diaries. I have been very interested in privacy, security, all these things and like, personal security. And the more time we spend online, sharing our information and like, saying Oh yeah, look what I get for free. If it’s free, you are the product. Like, so, this is an opportunity that like, helps me go deeper into that and learn. [00:56:00] And if you want to
[00:56:00] Robbie Wagner: you guys should sponsor Darknet Diaries. Cause they have a bunch of sponsors that are,
[00:56:06] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.
[00:56:07] Robbie Wagner: you know, in the security space.
[00:56:08] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, fair enough. That’s a, you just tossed the gauntlet down. I mean, I don’t control that, but I can say that.
[00:56:17] Robbie Wagner: Hey, we’ll, we’ll send Jack some more whiskey and, uh,
[00:56:20] Chuck Carpenter: He doesn’t want it. He’s not a big
[00:56:21] Chuck Carpenter: drinker. He said to
[00:56:24] Robbie Wagner: send him that flower drink that he drinks in, uh,
[00:56:27] Chuck Carpenter: Yes, in Vegas. I’ve, Vegas, actually.
[00:56:31] Robbie Wagner: I thought it was in some other country that
[00:56:33] Chuck Carpenter: I’m actually going to try and find that. , at the end of this month, I’m going to Vegas to see Dedenko at the Sphere.
[00:56:39] Chuck Carpenter: Mostly because I just want to check out the Sphere. Dead and Co. is fronted by John Mayer, which I think is an incredible musician, so like, doing Grateful Dead songs, him, like, that seems like a cool vibe. I don’t know.
[00:56:55] Robbie Wagner: you get
[00:56:55] Chuck Carpenter: So,
[00:56:56] Robbie Wagner: his amps?
[00:56:57] Chuck Carpenter: amps.
[00:56:58] Robbie Wagner: Amps. [00:57:00] That you plug the guitar into?
[00:57:01] Chuck Carpenter: no, I know what they are, I don’t really know what that fucking reference is about,
[00:57:04] Robbie Wagner: Well I’m just, you have to, I know his amps. You have to apply to get. Like you can’t, like you and I can’t buy them. What is happening?
[00:57:15] Chuck Carpenter: It’s a bunch of shit that you can’t fucking do. Ha
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