180: The React Debate No One Wants to Have (But Should) with Ken Wheeler and Typecraft

[00:00:00] Robbie Wagner: Hey, what’s up everybody? This is Whiskey Web and Whatnot. We are just shooting the shit today,

[00:00:05] Robbie Wagner: happy hour, uh,

[00:00:07] Chuck Carpenter: Literally. Some of us are shooting the shit into our underwear. Not it.

[00:00:11] Robbie Wagner: start off strong with this

[00:00:14] Ken Wheeler: Oh,

[00:00:14] Chris Power: Hell yeah. Dude, the screwdriver

[00:00:17] Robbie Wagner: No, all right, they didn’t have original flavor the reason I have to do this is our fantasy football league if you get a zero You have to chug an ice per zero you get

[00:00:27] Robbie Wagner: so I owe two So i’m just going to do them live now. I mean you guys can talk about whatever but

[00:00:33] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. Well, while you start doing that Yeah, he What?

[00:00:37] Ken Wheeler: Like, Bros Icing Bros. Like,

[00:00:39] Chris Power: Hell

[00:00:39] Chris Power: yeah. So you got, you had a lineup that scored two zeros.

[00:00:45] Robbie Wagner: No, okay,

[00:00:46] Robbie Wagner: I, I’ve

[00:00:46] Chris Power: Are you a manager in real

[00:00:48] Robbie Wagner: throughout the whole season. The one was, stupid because this last one, they called him out like 10 minutes before the game. Like,

[00:00:57] Robbie Wagner: I wasn’t paying enough attention. Yeah.

[00:00:59] Chris Power: [00:01:00] the worst.

[00:01:00] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t know anything about Eggball Game, but today’s episode is brought to you by Dark Hedges Iris Whiskey. I don’t know how this felt like on brand. It is, uh, finished, yeah, it is 80 proof. It is finished in rum casks. Of course, the fine folks at Total Wine were like, that’s a great one. I was like, nah, 30 bucks, we’ll see.

[00:01:20] Chuck Carpenter: I know, I never trust them, because you know, like, they’ll be incentivized to try to sell certain inventory

[00:01:26] Chris Power: They had a meeting that morning. they had a meeting that morning. They’re like, we got to move some dark hedges. We

[00:01:30] Chris Power: got to move them. We got too many.

[00:01:31] Chuck Carpenter: You would think, like, this bright ass box would actually get people’s attention. They’d be like, pfft, look at that. I mean, rum, Irish whiskey

[00:01:39] Robbie Wagner: Looks like A a parking hang tag.

[00:01:43] Chuck Carpenter: little bit,

[00:01:43] Chuck Carpenter: yeah.

[00:01:44] Robbie Wagner: you’re going to an event and you put That in

[00:01:46] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. So, anyway, that’s what I got going on today.

[00:01:50] Chris Power: I have something that was left over. It’s lightly used.

[00:01:55] Chris Power: Not too many miles. It’s only highway miles. Barrel [00:02:00] Vantage. Which someone brought over my house and it’s pretty good. So, that’s what I’m having. That’s why I chose it.

[00:02:04] Robbie Wagner: The more of it you drink, do you have a better view? Is that why they call it Vantage?

[00:02:08] Chris Power: It’s true. Yep. Exactly. Dude’s

[00:02:15] Ken Wheeler: As And that’s a normal sized bottle, Ken just has really big hands.

[00:02:18] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, he’s, uh, he’s bigger in real life. It’s weird.

[00:02:22] Ken Wheeler: Am I?

[00:02:23] Chuck Carpenter: no, I’d say you’re probably about the size I expected. I mean, from the waist up at least.

[00:02:29] Chris Power: You know who’s big in real life? Wait, stop. You know, it’s bigger in real life than I expected. I’m a pretty tall guy. I’m like 6’4 ish, pretty big guy. But,

[00:02:40] Chris Power: um, I met, uh, Theo.

[00:02:44] Ken Wheeler: Theo’s fucking tall

[00:02:45] Ken Wheeler: as

[00:02:45] Chris Power: I met Theo recently. He is so tall.

[00:02:48] Chuck Carpenter: What’s his real name though?

[00:02:54] Robbie Wagner: [00:03:00] Yeah

[00:03:00] Chuck Carpenter: Theo seems

[00:03:01] Chuck Carpenter: like one I could do, like, like, you could do that, like, in the order in which they’ve done it, like, Oh, you know, I’m gonna just make believe fucking name, and then, you know, alright, here’s my real name, I’m gonna go by the real name.

[00:03:11] Ken Wheeler: But you can never go, like, real name, and then be like, Hey, you guys gotta call me the Punisher now.

[00:03:16] Ken Wheeler: Like,

[00:03:19] Chris Power: The Punisher now.

[00:03:20] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, that

[00:03:21] Chuck Carpenter: would I go by Nighthawk, thank you.

[00:03:23] Ken Wheeler: They’re like, oh shit, Ken Wheeler, I’m like, yo, whoa, whoa, whoa, easy on the docks.

[00:03:26] Ken Wheeler: Like, Like,

[00:03:29] Ken Wheeler: Like,

[00:03:30] Chuck Carpenter: have an internet name that I used for, like,

[00:03:32] Chuck Carpenter: forums and all of that stuff. You know, internet soon. It was Junior McBride. Which no one will get.

[00:03:39] Chuck Carpenter: Except for us.

[00:03:39] Robbie Wagner: tell the story chip.

[00:03:40] Chuck Carpenter: Tell of what it is? So it’s one of the characters from a 70’s porn called Taboo 2 and the premise was it was like an incestuous family, not only incest, but that was like the end goal.

[00:03:55] Chuck Carpenter: Like they were like a very, I don’t know, sexually strained family [00:04:00] of four, you know, and there’s a son and daughter and they go out and do their crazy seventies things. You know, go out to the bush, literally, and then come back, and in the end, the big, like, crescendo of the film is that son and mom and dad and daughter get to lay it down, and then brother sister do it.

[00:04:23] Chris Power: that’s a good one. I would say my favorite Christmas

[00:04:25] Chris Power: movie.

[00:04:26] Robbie Wagner: who it was

[00:04:26] Ken Wheeler: is junior

[00:04:27] Chuck Carpenter: His name is Junior McBride, is the son, and it’s really funny because, like, towards the beginning of the film, he goes over to help, like, a family friend or something fix something, Oh, good to see you, Junior, and then she kind of glances down, because it’s 70s, like, tight pants, and she says, uh, although you don’t look like a Junior to me.

[00:04:46] Chuck Carpenter: Very funny.

[00:04:48] Chris Power: So it’s a coming it’s a coming of age

[00:04:49] Ken Wheeler: you a

[00:04:50] Chuck Carpenter: Yes, yes, literal figurative way.

[00:04:52] Ken Wheeler: Are you a vintage porno guy?

[00:04:54] Chuck Carpenter: no, not really. I had roommates in college and after, and some of them were very much [00:05:00] into it, and sometimes it would be like you’re hanging out and like, this is a hilarious 70s porn, you just like watch that for entertainment.

[00:05:07] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t know.

[00:05:08] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:05:09] Ken Wheeler: all sat in a room together

[00:05:09] Ken Wheeler: in

[00:05:10] Chuck Carpenter: heh heh. Yeah, yeah.

[00:05:15] Ken Wheeler: Okay.

[00:05:16] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, I don’t know. And then we circle jerked each other off. It was like, isn’t that how it goes? Is that not how your college experience was? You know.

[00:05:26] Chris Power: So we had, yeah, we had a fun little get together once where, um, we did a Yankee swap and somebody, somebody got

[00:05:32] Chuck Carpenter: Like candles,

[00:05:33] Chuck Carpenter: or

[00:05:33] Chris Power: Yankee swap as,

[00:05:35] Chris Power: as a.

[00:05:35] Robbie Wagner: mean?

[00:05:37] Chris Power: Oh, what’s it called? Oh, maybe this is like a regional name. like secret Santa, but it’s like you get whatever gift you get.

[00:05:42] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, like White Elephant, or

[00:05:43] Chuck Carpenter: whatever.

[00:05:44] Chris Power: it’s not secret Santa.

[00:05:45] Chris Power: It’s Yankee swap where you, uh, you pick up a gift and then like the next person goes, they could steal your gift

[00:05:51] Chuck Carpenter: Like White Elephant,

[00:05:52] Ken Wheeler: I’ve heard of this. Somebody, like, tried playing it,

[00:05:53] Ken Wheeler: but

[00:05:54] Ken Wheeler: it,

[00:05:54] Ken Wheeler: like, fell apart.

[00:05:55] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, White Elephant is another

[00:05:56] Chuck Carpenter: one.

[00:05:56] Chris Power: White elephant. We always call it Yankee swap,

[00:05:59] Chris Power: yeah, I don’t know. Maybe it’s a [00:06:00] Massachusetts thing. I don’t know. But

[00:06:01] Chris Power: someone. Got a magazine called all Bush and it came with a DVD.

[00:06:08] Chuck Carpenter: Oh my

[00:06:08] Chuck Carpenter: gosh.

[00:06:09] Chris Power: happened to put the DVD in this, in the DVD player. And let’s just say my brother’s wife got very mad,

[00:06:15] Chris Power: threw it away.

[00:06:16] Chuck Carpenter: Right. Yeah. . That is good. if I had a DVD player, I would figure out a way to make that

[00:06:22] Chuck Carpenter: joke.

[00:06:23] Ken Wheeler: I have

[00:06:23] Chris Power: That was, you know,

[00:06:24] Chuck Carpenter: you got one left? One DVD or just player?

[00:06:27] Ken Wheeler: One, one Xbox that accepts DVDs.

[00:06:30] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:06:31] Ken Wheeler: And that’s, that’s solely responsible, so if somebody gives me a DVD I was in, uh, in New York, and they were trying to hand me CDs, and I’m like, What the fuck am I gonna do with this? I’m

[00:06:40] Chuck Carpenter: That’s it.

[00:06:41] Chris Power: it’s a QR code to download

[00:06:42] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, give me a fucking SoundCloud QR code,

[00:06:45] Chuck Carpenter: Right, exactly. That’s a lot cheaper to produce, too. You don’t have to go burning, like, a hundred CDs,

[00:06:51] Ken Wheeler: CD Rs, the fat stack.

[00:06:53] Chuck Carpenter: Mm hmm. Mm. So I have a floppy disk that I need to, uh, I don’t need, but it would be [00:07:00] very interesting. I have HDMX V2, , and it’s on a floppy disk. Yeah, it’s like Golden Monkey Edition or whatever. Yeah, apparently it’s really on there, but I have no way to

[00:07:12] Chuck Carpenter: verify.

[00:07:13] Ken Wheeler: So I have a vintage drum machine.

[00:07:15] Ken Wheeler: and it takes 3. 5 inch floppies.

[00:07:18] Ken Wheeler: That’s what it’ll like store the samples on.

[00:07:21] Ken Wheeler: Um, it’s currently broken, pending a chip replacement. However, I have its. Next one right there and that takes those fat like flash cards remember

[00:07:30] Chuck Carpenter: Mmm. Mm hmm. Uh, what were those called? Like zip drives or something?

[00:07:35] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, well, Yeah, no there were there were jazz drives for the

[00:07:37] Ken Wheeler: other one

[00:07:38] Ken Wheeler: and then

[00:07:39] Ken Wheeler: now I have the new one And this fucking thing is just all on board like micro SD shit

[00:07:45] Chris Power: damn, that’s so cool.

[00:07:47] Ken Wheeler: But yeah, it’s funny the old one it’s all saved onto a floppy disk and it’s got like

[00:07:53] Chuck Carpenter: You know, if I have a hundred of

[00:07:54] Ken Wheeler: which is awesome.

[00:07:55] Ken Wheeler: It’s a good fidelity. It’s like it’s like the sampling where it’s like

[00:07:58] Chris Power: it’s good that warm.

[00:07:59] Ken Wheeler: low bit rate kind [00:08:00] of That kind of deal

[00:08:04] Chris Power: like midi. Am I thinking of it wrong?

[00:08:06] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, it’s midi, um, but it’s also on board like analog too like

[00:08:10] Chuck Carpenter: hmm.

[00:08:11] Ken Wheeler: it can be used as a mini controller

[00:08:12] Chuck Carpenter: I’m not buying another thing, Ken. Sorry.

[00:08:15] Chris Power: Mm hmm.

[00:08:17] Chuck Carpenter: a little MIDI keyboard and I’ve got the, teenage engineering thing.

[00:08:21] Ken Wheeler: But do you have the smallest npc of all

[00:08:24] Chuck Carpenter: ,

[00:08:24] Chuck Carpenter: I

[00:08:24] Chris Power: Oh, that’s

[00:08:25] Ken Wheeler: It’s actually a, uh, it’s a Teenage Engineering, KO.

[00:08:29] Chuck Carpenter: Hmm.

[00:08:29] Ken Wheeler: Wrapped in a NPC skin. It’s, very much Teenage Engineering under the hood. Too much fun. How does this man get anything done throughout the day with all

[00:08:40] Ken Wheeler: these

[00:08:40] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, exactly. You know, Do you have to make music for work? I know you can’t really talk about work.

[00:08:47] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:08:48] Ken Wheeler: Fuck no. That shit is the farthest shit from making music imaginable.

[00:08:53] Chuck Carpenter: React class components. They don’t make music. You could maybe

[00:08:57] Chuck Carpenter: though. Yeah.

[00:08:58] Ken Wheeler: components.

[00:08:59] Chris Power: Did too I

[00:08:59] Chris Power: [00:09:00] miss them I still miss them

[00:09:01] Robbie Wagner: Classes

[00:09:02] Ken Wheeler: everybody says is wrong. Fucking, I like using this. I like fucking putting shit on the window. I don’t give a fuck, man.

[00:09:08] Chuck Carpenter: All right, yeah. Global scope. I mean, come on. We’ve got global this now. I mean, we’ve got some guardrails. So what’s, you know, why is it terrible? Perhaps it’s not.

[00:09:17] Robbie Wagner: It was never bad. You just have to change stuff so that people have to use the new stuff.

[00:09:21] Robbie Wagner: And so that you can

[00:09:22] Chuck Carpenter: what, well, here’s the thing. We’re just like, we’re still bitching about this, but apparently React has had hooks longer than it hadn’t now. I think I saw something that they came out in like 2019. And so, at this point, and React was like yeah, like 2014, so it’s like five years with, five years , after, but I guess we’re like skewing on the after side now.

[00:09:43] Chris Power: yeah, Twitter disagrees, but like, I just can’t I don’t know I just can’t think of a, worse abstraction than going from the class components system with lifecycle hooks and all that good stuff to hooks, which is just like functions running and like, if you just, if you forget to put the [00:10:00] right, the right, dependencies in your hook, , you know, the dependency array.

[00:10:03] Chris Power: Whoops. It’s going to run a million times a second.

[00:10:05] Ken Wheeler: Even if you put the right ones in sometimes.

[00:10:08] Chris Power: Yeah.

[00:10:08] Chris Power: Yep.

[00:10:09] Ken Wheeler: Have you ever seen movie or GIF where it’s like, somebody throws a ping pong ball at all these strategically placed plates, and it bounces from one to the other to the other to the other to the other?

[00:10:20] Chris Power: Mm

[00:10:20] Chuck Carpenter: I

[00:10:21] Robbie Wagner: I can imagine what you’re saying.

[00:10:23] Chuck Carpenter: but I’ve

[00:10:24] Ken Wheeler: That’s what, cause like, you know, in a sufficiently complex component, right?

[00:10:27] Ken Wheeler: Like, you have, like, oh, well, uh, if this changes, then change this. And then if that changes, then change this, right? And the whole thing’s like, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft. And, you’re like, wait, hold on, wait, wait a second, fucking, we’re in dev, so that ran this fucking thing twice, and it used to be easier to reason about.

[00:10:44] Chris Power: It’s way more implicit, way more implicit now than like when before it was like, you could just see it. Like you said, it’s way more, way more easier to reason about back when it was just class components and lifecycle hooks. And yeah.

[00:10:55] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, and it’s totally backwards. Like, you shouldn’t have to say what shouldn’t re render. [00:11:00] It should not re render by default. And then you should be like, This is the thing that should change now, please. But

[00:11:05] Robbie Wagner: we don’t do that, because like, That would be hard.

[00:11:09] Ken Wheeler: Indeed it would.

[00:11:11] Chuck Carpenter: well, yeah, I think like an over inclusion of state, maybe, as part of React is part of the problem, to a degree, in my view.

[00:11:20] Chuck Carpenter: too much high level state. That’s probably like one of the things that I do like about newer next stuff is that, , things are very much being tied to like form actions and server actions and doing a little more like state through the API layer, even though their API layer is a little, I don’t know, ish.

[00:11:43] Chuck Carpenter: Depends on how much you want to do that, but they are trying to cover the basis all the way server and back. It would seem What would Rails do? Is that what you say?

[00:11:52] Chuck Carpenter: What

[00:11:52] Chris Power: Rails would

[00:11:53] Chris Power: do?

[00:11:53] Chris Power: it a lot different. I’m not a rails at home. Sorry. Don’t look at that.

[00:11:57] Chris Power: Don’t

[00:11:57] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, exactly. That’s not you.

[00:11:59] Chuck Carpenter: okay, [00:12:00] Ken, if you couldn’t use JavaScript ever again, what would you pick up?

[00:12:05] Chuck Carpenter: C++

[00:12:06] Chris Power: hell. Yeah.

[00:12:08] Chuck Carpenter: Nice.

[00:12:09] Robbie Wagner: No hesitation.

[00:12:11] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:12:11] Chuck Carpenter: Robbie and I had some talks where like C doesn’t seem bad. You know, a little NET C#ness It’s not crazy.

[00:12:17] Ken Wheeler: You can’t really

[00:12:18] Ken Wheeler: go wrong

[00:12:18] Ken Wheeler: with C right?

[00:12:20] Ken Wheeler: Like, obviously, like, I would say OCaml, right? But, like, when I say C I say it for a reason.

[00:12:26] Ken Wheeler: and it’s, you know, partially, like, if you want to bread out, that’s certainly possible there. And then also, like, culturally, I’d use Rust, but,

[00:12:37] Chuck Carpenter: Because

[00:12:37] Chuck Carpenter: you don’t want to get in fights with people all the time. Is that what it

[00:12:40] Chuck Carpenter: is?

[00:12:41] Chuck Carpenter: is

[00:12:42] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, C++ It’s about where I’d want to be.

[00:12:46] Chuck Carpenter: Hmm. Yeah, Yeah, it seems like some calm calmer folks

[00:12:51] Chuck Carpenter: calmer

[00:12:51] Ken Wheeler: I don’t know about Commer, but

[00:12:53] Chuck Carpenter: are always

[00:12:54] Chuck Carpenter: gonna

[00:12:55] Ken Wheeler: they’re fighting you, at least they’re fighting you about the code.

[00:12:57] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, there’s just like rtfm and that’s [00:13:00] it

[00:13:00] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I mean, NET is pretty good and like Microsoft is one of the M’s of Menomina, so,

[00:13:06] Robbie Wagner: you know, they’re, they’re

[00:13:07] Ken Wheeler: in what now

[00:13:08] Chris Power: Menominal.

[00:13:09] Robbie Wagner: this is the new thing. Fang is dead, it’s Menomina now.

[00:13:13] Ken Wheeler: thought it was Manga. It’s Menomena now.

[00:13:15] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:13:16] Robbie Wagner: we’ve dictated this.

[00:13:18] Robbie Wagner: No one is

[00:13:18] Chuck Carpenter: We, mostly Robbie, but I’m going with it.

[00:13:21] Chuck Carpenter: I mean.

[00:13:22] Chris Power: spell it out. What’s my

[00:13:23] Chuck Carpenter: I’m glad you’re a listener to the show.

[00:13:25] Robbie Wagner: Netflix, Amazon, Microsoft. I, can’t, there’s too many letters. I’m

[00:13:31] Robbie Wagner: losing them all.

[00:13:32] Chuck Carpenter: Alphabet.

[00:13:33] Robbie Wagner: no, Airbnb, Alphabet, NVIDIA. and Anthropic.

[00:13:37] Chuck Carpenter: Well, so the last A is what’s been up for debate, because it’s like, yeah, you could say Airbnb, but like, they aren’t, Doing

[00:13:45] Chuck Carpenter: crazy

[00:13:46] Robbie Wagner: killing it as much anymore.

[00:13:48] Chuck Carpenter: No.

[00:13:48] Ken Wheeler: it the same or are they killing it less?

[00:13:50] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t know. That’s a great question.

[00:13:52] Chris Power: you mean like how many people die in Airbnbs every year?

[00:13:55] Chuck Carpenter: A lot. Yeah, you know, there’s a ton of competent. They’re not printing money the way they did early on [00:14:00] which they all.

[00:14:01] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I’ve,

[00:14:02] Chuck Carpenter: I’ve gone,

[00:14:03] Ken Wheeler: so fucking much.

[00:14:04] Chuck Carpenter: especially with a family, I’ve very much swung the other way. I don’t want to take out the fucking trash, I don’t want to strip the beds, I don’t want a list of responsibilities for a 400 fucking cleaning fee on top

[00:14:15] Chuck Carpenter: of

[00:14:15] Robbie Wagner: Okay,

[00:14:16] Chuck Carpenter: I want room

[00:14:16] Chuck Carpenter: service,

[00:14:17] Robbie Wagner: with a family then? Are you getting like multiple

[00:14:19] Robbie Wagner: room suite kind of deal?

[00:14:21] Ken Wheeler: But what about a

[00:14:21] Ken Wheeler: hotel, dude? a

[00:14:22] Ken Wheeler: hotel has a fucking iron. And they have a television, and that’s all I need.

[00:14:26] Ken Wheeler: And you jerk off and you say, clean it up. And it’s

[00:14:28] Chuck Carpenter: That’s true. Your comrades can go Right

[00:14:31] Ken Wheeler: Right on the fucking floor of the

[00:14:33] Ken Wheeler: bathroom.

[00:14:33] Chuck Carpenter: true. There’s another aspect there. But yeah, for us, I mean, our kids are five and eight. And we get a suite with, like, separate rooms a little bit. And

[00:14:43] Ken Wheeler: Yeah.

[00:14:43] Chuck Carpenter: it.

[00:14:44] Chris Power: that’s the best.

[00:14:45] Chuck Carpenter: And the cost is

[00:14:46] Ken Wheeler: and we got two

[00:14:47] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Yeah. Two connecting

[00:14:49] Ken Wheeler: like one bedroom. And

[00:14:51] Ken Wheeler: her

[00:14:51] Ken Wheeler: sister stayed with some of the kids. And

[00:14:53] Chuck Carpenter: Hmm. Well, yeah. Right.

[00:14:55] Chuck Carpenter: Well, that would be fine. Yeah.

[00:14:57] Chris Power: Sounds lovely.

[00:14:58] Chuck Carpenter: Nothing wrong with that. [00:15:00] Yeah

[00:15:00] Chris Power: Hmm. Even if it’s a little bit more, I think it’s like absolutely worth it for like, you know what you get from it, right?

[00:15:06] Ken Wheeler: Man, two in the morning, Eric, hey, what’s going on? Can you sign up some fucking guy? And they will.

[00:15:11] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, you

[00:15:11] Chris Power: it’s like, for what? Don’t worry about it. All right. We’ll send someone up.

[00:15:14] Chuck Carpenter: Love robes, too. That’s what I like about hotels is I want a robe. I want some slips I don’t want to travel with that

[00:15:20] Ken Wheeler: I was at a really, really nice fucking hotel.

[00:15:23] Ken Wheeler: Like, really nice. Everything was really fucking phenomenal. Like, I mean, you know. Unbe fucking lievable down in Miami. Like, beautiful fucking hotel.

[00:15:30] Chris Power: Hell yeah.

[00:15:31] Ken Wheeler: And there weren’t robes. I was taken back.

[00:15:34] Chuck Carpenter: Did you call and ask for robes just in case cuz I have had to do that a lot of places lately I’d be like, uh, I don’t have any robes here. You have those, right? And they’re like, yeah, of course.

[00:15:42] Chuck Carpenter: Okay,

[00:15:43] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, do you have these or am I leaving?

[00:15:45] Ken Wheeler: I’ll never forget the, the,

[00:15:46] Ken Wheeler: the

[00:15:46] Chuck Carpenter: I get a refund

[00:15:48] Ken Wheeler: Best one.

[00:15:49] Chuck Carpenter: on this? Oh, wait. Let’s see

[00:15:50] Ken Wheeler: Kemptons have good ones. That’s for sure.

[00:15:53] Chuck Carpenter: I want to acknowledge, people are listening to us, by the way.

[00:15:56] Chuck Carpenter: So Jacob would, , like to know, I would prefer React if it wasn’t so leaky. [00:16:00] I would like just using JSX and write my logic in not React. I mean, there are other JSX frameworks,

[00:16:07] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, but JSX is trash, so I wouldn’t recommend.

[00:16:10] Chuck Carpenter: just saying, if you’d like that, there are

[00:16:12] Ken Wheeler: In theory, you could transpile it to whatever you want.

[00:16:14] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, this is my thing. I think I think everything should have stayed at class components. And if you want to do this magic, just change it on the backend. Just all that shit to like. Hooks and whatever. I don’t need to know that shit.

[00:16:27] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, here we go. Charles says, Airbnb, once a beloved startup everyone wanted to become. Now the bane of every dad’s trip because the wife thought the view was worth the rules and the hassle. Yeah, no, I’ve, I feel you. That has definitely

[00:16:40] Chuck Carpenter: happened a

[00:16:41] Robbie Wagner: I like Airbnb. I’ve had a bad experience, I think once or twice, but like overall it’s been good for

[00:16:47] Chuck Carpenter: I like it for groups. Like if you get like a big house and you say you have like three couples or something like that, it tends to work out pretty well.

[00:16:53] Chuck Carpenter: Um,

[00:16:54] Ken Wheeler: hit or miss it is.

[00:16:56] Ken Wheeler: I’ve had great ones. I had one that was like 40 yards from the Eiffel Tower. It was fucking incredible. [00:17:00] We were sitting there looking at this fucking thing. I’m like,

[00:17:02] Ken Wheeler: holy

[00:17:02] Chuck Carpenter: Croissant! You were like,

[00:17:04] Ken Wheeler: My whole entire family up in like Lake George.

[00:17:10] Ken Wheeler: Phenomenal. Amazing time. Another time I’m in England with a bunch

[00:17:13] Ken Wheeler: of kids and the guy’s trying to make me leave at one in the morning because his neighbors are saying we were being loud. I’m like, everyone in this house is sleeping right now. What are you talking about?

[00:17:21] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, prove

[00:17:22] Ken Wheeler: just didn’t want this guy to have an Airbnb in the

[00:17:25] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, so they were just causing

[00:17:26] Chuck Carpenter: trouble

[00:17:27] Ken Wheeler: Which is fair. So my neighbors had an Airbnb. I’m like, what the fuck are you doing?

[00:17:30] Ken Wheeler: Like,

[00:17:30] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah. let me know if your neighbor does start an Airbnb, cause I’m gonna rent it and like, throw a big party

[00:17:36] Ken Wheeler: you should.

[00:17:37] Chuck Carpenter: not invite you though.

[00:17:38] Chuck Carpenter: Just to

[00:17:38] Ken Wheeler: gonna fucking come lean over the fence. Chaz!

[00:17:48] Chris Power: I have Qua

[00:17:49] Chris Power: home.

[00:17:53] Ken Wheeler: A croissant or a question?

[00:17:56] Chuck Carpenter: how

[00:17:56] Chris Power: I have, I have a qua home. Do you

[00:17:58] Chris Power: want a

[00:17:58] Chris Power: qua

[00:17:58] Ken Wheeler: Do you know what I did today? It was [00:18:00] actually reprehensible.

[00:18:01] Ken Wheeler: So apparently the McRib isn’t out here until like the third or something.

[00:18:04] Ken Wheeler: But somebody had a McRib. I think

[00:18:06] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I saw Annie

[00:18:07] Chuck Carpenter: had it

[00:18:07] Chuck Carpenter: on

[00:18:07] Ken Wheeler: So, uh, I made a McRib at home. I had extra ribs left over from that barbecue high tea the other night.

[00:18:12] Ken Wheeler: I made the bun, because I didn’t have a suitable McRib bun

[00:18:17] Ken Wheeler: on deck. So I made the bun. Sliced up pickles and everything. It was obscene.

[00:18:22] Chuck Carpenter: Oof,

[00:18:23] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, a homemade McRib would fuckin rock,

[00:18:27] Ken Wheeler: It was a real homemade McRib, I tell

[00:18:29] Ken Wheeler: you

[00:18:29] Ken Wheeler: what.

[00:18:30] Robbie Wagner: I

[00:18:30] Robbie Wagner: do think the, the barbecue high tea is something we should market. Like we should just open places that do that. Like I would go to that.

[00:18:39] Ken Wheeler: Right?

[00:18:40] Robbie Wagner: yeah.

[00:18:41] Ken Wheeler: If I had more on hand, and the platter was a little bit larger, we could have done like some, some burnt ends, and fucking other accoutrements.

[00:18:50] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, when are you gonna, uh, start runnin React New Jersey?

[00:18:54] Ken Wheeler: It really should.

[00:18:56] Chuck Carpenter: Mm hmm, yeah, it needs, like, a fall counterpart,

[00:18:59] Chuck Carpenter: I

[00:18:59] Ken Wheeler: Well, [00:19:00] no, it needs a, there needs to be a, um, dead in

[00:19:02] Ken Wheeler: the

[00:19:02] Ken Wheeler: middle of the summer in Jersey shore,

[00:19:04] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, on the shore. What town on the shore do you like?

[00:19:08] Ken Wheeler: right now, Asbury?

[00:19:10] Chuck Carpenter: Hmm, I’m not familiar. I used to go to Wildwood sometimes,

[00:19:12] Chuck Carpenter: and

[00:19:13] Ken Wheeler: Wildwood’s like way down, Wildwood is like, so the way that New Jersey works is, is that the top half is affiliated with New York City, whereas the bottom half is affiliated with Philly.

[00:19:21] Ken Wheeler: So all the Philly people, the shoobies, they go to fuckin Wildwood.

[00:19:24] Ken Wheeler: And then some of them trickle over to like, his height is like, seaside. But, right after seaside, that’s when you start running into like, Point Pleasant, Manisquan, Belmar,

[00:19:33] Ken Wheeler: Asbury.

[00:19:34] Ken Wheeler: And that’s all fuckin New York affiliated.

[00:19:37] Ken Wheeler: Right.

[00:19:37] Ken Wheeler: So we don’t fuck

[00:19:38] Ken Wheeler: with

[00:19:38] Chuck Carpenter: ha ha.

[00:19:40] Ken Wheeler: brother went to, college down there.

[00:19:43] Ken Wheeler: And like, got all into like, Philly sports and shit.

[00:19:46] Ken Wheeler: Although I love Atlantic City, that’s a fuckin good time.

[00:19:47] Ken Wheeler: That’s really, really, really good

[00:19:49] Chuck Carpenter: I haven’t been there in a long

[00:19:50] Chuck Carpenter: time, but

[00:19:51] Chuck Carpenter: it

[00:19:51] Chuck Carpenter: was

[00:19:51] Chuck Carpenter: a fuckin dirt hole, , when I did briefly visit. I had a girlfriend who, , was from Vineland, so went back a few

[00:19:59] Chuck Carpenter: times,

[00:19:59] Ken Wheeler: [00:20:00] Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean back then, right? Like you would go get like a room at the trop for like 45. You know, I’d work whatever bullshit job I had at the time and go to the

[00:20:08] Ken Wheeler: trop and like inside, like the main like thing area, it looks like you’re outside, like they put like fucking fake blue sky above you. And it’s like a two story thing and like you go into clubs and go and fucking gamble and shit. But like you, you just walk around in there and that was when, you know, you were allowed to smoke everywhere. Yeah.

[00:20:24] Ken Wheeler: So I’d be walking through there, smoking a blunt, and they’d be like, without a fucking, ah, you see your boys, you’re like, ah.

[00:20:29] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. it’s quite, it’s quite a leap from Boardwalk Empire. I don’t know if you ever watched that, but

[00:20:34] Chuck Carpenter: that

[00:20:34] Ken Wheeler: I did, yeah, it’s not the same. It’s actually funny, the place Asbury that I was talking about used to be like that.

[00:20:39] Ken Wheeler: The place Asbury, it was like the, one of the original shore resorts, where they had like casinos and all this shit, and

[00:20:46] Ken Wheeler: it was all crazy. , and then it went to shit in like the 60s riots, and then, I lived there briefly, and it was crazy.

[00:20:52] Ken Wheeler: The shit was like Bananas. You know, what the fuck is going on? It was

[00:20:56] Chuck Carpenter: Like New Jersey bananas or regular sized bananas?

[00:20:59] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, like New [00:21:00] Jersey bananas

[00:21:00] Chris Power: the small bananas

[00:21:01] Chris Power: you got earlier

[00:21:03] Ken Wheeler: Uh, like,

[00:21:04] Ken Wheeler: they started, like, basically a bunch of artists move in.

[00:21:07] Chuck Carpenter: Oh,

[00:21:07] Chuck Carpenter: yeah.

[00:21:08] Ken Wheeler: And start, like, all these, like, trendy restaurants and coffee places and

[00:21:12] Chuck Carpenter: And they make it

[00:21:12] Chuck Carpenter: good,

[00:21:13] Ken Wheeler: Then the investors came in and now it’s like luxury condos and

[00:21:17] Ken Wheeler: shit and all this fucking So now it’s it’s it’s really really hopping

[00:21:21] Chuck Carpenter: It is interesting how, at least this is how it used to be, like, when I was younger living in the Midwest or whatever in downtown, I lived downtown Cincinnati for a little bit, and like, any unsafe areas would always get changed when, , you would see artists move in and, uh, The gay community, move in. And that’s like the first steps.

[00:21:42] Chuck Carpenter: And then like, the gay community is like revamping homes and making them super cool and whatever else and then boom, , everybody else comes in and then

[00:21:50] Chuck Carpenter: phew.

[00:21:50] Ken Wheeler: year old victorians immaculately restored

[00:21:53] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, yeah. Just like fucking crushing it. And you’re like, well, you know, that’s what I want.

[00:21:57] Chuck Carpenter: Uh, Charles says, un question. [00:22:00] Où sont les toilettes?

[00:22:02] Ken Wheeler: who’s on the toilet

[00:22:04] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I guess. Who’s on the toilets?

[00:22:06] Chuck Carpenter: I, I think so.

[00:22:07] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I

[00:22:07] Ken Wheeler: dude if I had

[00:22:08] Chuck Carpenter: like that. I just wanted

[00:22:09] Ken Wheeler: would be unbelievable Oh

[00:22:11] Chuck Carpenter: on here. Kevin’s getting crazy. Kamala has four husbands. I don’t know.

[00:22:16] Chuck Carpenter: Break,

[00:22:17] Chuck Carpenter: right,

[00:22:17] Chris Power: I heard that

[00:22:19] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I

[00:22:20] Robbie Wagner: don’t I don’t know what’s

[00:22:21] Robbie Wagner: happening in that comment or what that was in reference

[00:22:24] Chuck Carpenter: Uh, I

[00:22:25] Chuck Carpenter: don’t know.

[00:22:26] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[00:22:26] Chris Power: this is twitch chat,

[00:22:28] Robbie Wagner: I don’t know though. It all is in the chat on the side of riverside

[00:22:33] Robbie Wagner: so

[00:22:33] Robbie Wagner: I don’t know where it’s coming from I

[00:22:34] Robbie Wagner: think it

[00:22:36] Robbie Wagner: it says these are YouTube

[00:22:37] Robbie Wagner: they’re all YouTube

[00:22:38] Chris Power: I was gonna say this sounds like YouTube?

[00:22:39] Chuck Carpenter: I’m in the

[00:22:40] Ken Wheeler: Oh, yeah, I am

[00:22:41] Chuck Carpenter: Live stream chat. Yeah, you should be able to see things. You can message people if you want there. Do whatever. We’re amateurs when it comes to this whole, like, chat and

[00:22:50] Chuck Carpenter: streaming and all this stuff.

[00:22:52] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. So, hey, what do you think, chat? You know, all of that stuff. Like, I’ll watch Prime. [00:23:00] Uh, that’s where Ken keeps his. I don’t know, it’s his hard tuck. Stretch and a tuck.

[00:23:05] Chris Power: hell yeah, it’s a stretch

[00:23:07] Ken Wheeler: You know, like that little fucking thing on the side of the vacuum that you

[00:23:12] Chuck Carpenter: You know, too many details. Too many details

[00:23:15] Chuck Carpenter: makes it

[00:23:15] Chris Power: docked right now.

[00:23:16] Chris Power: he’s docked right now with the vacuum.

[00:23:19] Ken Wheeler: Docton.

[00:23:20] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[00:23:20] Chris Power: docked. He’s just, yeah.

[00:23:21] Chuck Carpenter: The Flowbee, instead of cutting his hair, he likes to dip a little something else in it. , you know, it’s just the only one that has the right amount of suction. , whoa,

[00:23:29] Chuck Carpenter: went

[00:23:29] Chris Power: chat? Is this like a combined chat of Twitch and YouTube?

[00:23:33] Robbie Wagner: I guess I don’t know if anyone is on Twitch. It doesn’t look like they are

[00:23:37] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, I’m not sure. But I was saying, is when I turn on, like, Prime’s, , stream, and there’s a couple others I try to watch here and there, but I don’t, I just can’t keep up. Like, if I’m, if they’re reading an article or something, I can listen to that, but if I’m, like, trying to watch and all this is going on, I’m just like, I don’t know.

[00:23:54] Chuck Carpenter: Overload, I can’t keep up. I don’t know how you actually do that.

[00:23:57] Chris Power: I think just occasionally you see something [00:24:00] fly by and you read that one and then like you just kind of lose it eventually, but yeah.

[00:24:04] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I’m just gonna start showing up and just saying butt penis. See how

[00:24:08] Chuck Carpenter: long I’m allowed to

[00:24:10] Chuck Carpenter: stay

[00:24:10] Ken Wheeler: I do that on blue sky. I’ll just show up. I don’t know

[00:24:12] Ken Wheeler: where I’ll be like penis and

[00:24:13] Chuck Carpenter: tell us about Blue Sky. I just, I don’t have a problem with it, I just have enough fatigue about social media in general.

[00:24:21] Chuck Carpenter: And so like, yeah, I’m just like, I don’t know, this one is already a lot,

[00:24:25] Chuck Carpenter: so.

[00:24:26] Ken Wheeler: me, it’s like, uh, I’ll tell you what. I got on there like really, really early.

[00:24:31] Ken Wheeler: And then stopped using it and then came back just to see how it was when everybody went over.

[00:24:37] Ken Wheeler: And it is actually refreshing, how much tech content is in the feed.

[00:24:42] Ken Wheeler: Versus fucking yap from AI dorks

[00:24:47] Ken Wheeler: However, right it also kind of like skews like hate Ken Wheeler, so

[00:24:52] Chuck Carpenter: They hate

[00:24:53] Chuck Carpenter: Ken

[00:24:53] Ken Wheeler: go go there

[00:24:55] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:24:58] Chuck Carpenter: It’s like, you better watch your [00:25:00] P’s and Q’s, buddy, if you’re gonna show up there.

[00:25:02] Ken Wheeler: right

[00:25:03] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, there’s no butt penis over there. Yeah,

[00:25:10] Ken Wheeler: me on Twitter, but on there it’s only like two or three So I could totally post hog

[00:25:15] Chris Power: you could yeah. you could drop some hog No

[00:25:17] Ken Wheeler: I could drop some hog and there wouldn’t

[00:25:18] Robbie Wagner: I couldn’t even find you on there.

[00:25:20] Ken Wheeler: it’s it’s

[00:25:21] Ken Wheeler: I bet

[00:25:22] Ken Wheeler: A I I G H T dot bet. I own that domain.

[00:25:26] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, see, Wheeler vs. AI Bros

[00:25:28] Chuck Carpenter: is

[00:25:29] Chuck Carpenter: very funny.

[00:25:31] Ken Wheeler: A I I G H T B E

[00:25:35] Ken Wheeler: T. Yeah, I

[00:25:39] Robbie Wagner: post it, post it in the chat.

[00:25:41] Chuck Carpenter: here’s, here’s how I

[00:25:43] Chuck Carpenter: perceive the Wheeler vs. AI Bros arc. Is, it’s the slick carousel guy versus dudes who, have their life savings initially in blockchain are trying to pivot to any life raft they can find.

[00:25:58] Ken Wheeler: I don’t think the crypto guys [00:26:00] are doing too bad right now to be honest with

[00:26:01] Ken Wheeler: you.

[00:26:01] Chuck Carpenter: Well, yeah,

[00:26:02] Chuck Carpenter: they’ve seen a swing. You might see a jump back,

[00:26:05] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[00:26:05] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, I mean, they’re, they’re, they’re kinda, you know,

[00:26:07] Chuck Carpenter: Well, anybody who stayed in the majors,

[00:26:09] Chuck Carpenter: but

[00:26:09] Ken Wheeler: If I was allowed to, I’d fucking short Bitcoin right now.

[00:26:11] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, right. Oh, you’re not allowed to? So give me your money and

[00:26:15] Chuck Carpenter: nobody will

[00:26:15] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, no, that’s not allowed either. But,

[00:26:18] Chuck Carpenter: Are they gonna, there’s a paper

[00:26:19] Chuck Carpenter: trail

[00:26:19] Ken Wheeler: That’s also not investment

[00:26:20] Robbie Wagner: of crypto? That

[00:26:21] Chuck Carpenter: Uh,

[00:26:22] Robbie Wagner: allowed?

[00:26:23] Chuck Carpenter: So you heard it here, folks.

[00:26:25] Chuck Carpenter: Mortgage, just highly leverage all of your family’s assets and short Bitcoin.

[00:26:30] Ken Wheeler: Mm hmm.

[00:26:30] Chris Power: yeah

[00:26:31] Robbie Wagner: I mean, I would have never thought I would have gotten to 100, 000, like, It’s insane.

[00:26:36] Robbie Wagner: I remember

[00:26:37] Robbie Wagner: getting rid of

[00:26:38] Robbie Wagner: tons of them at like 20 and being like, Oh, these things are worthless. Like how to sell them. This is a good amount. Ah,

[00:26:48] Chuck Carpenter: just to break even at one point, and I did the thing with the Doge. Also, I think I made a little money out of

[00:26:55] Ken Wheeler: I take profit every single cycle.

[00:26:57] Chuck Carpenter: yeah,

[00:26:57] Ken Wheeler: But, I mean, back in the day, dude, we used to use that shit to, [00:27:00] like, buy e pills off the internet. And,

[00:27:01] Ken Wheeler: like, fucking, we had, like, hundreds of them.

[00:27:03] Chuck Carpenter: right,

[00:27:03] Ken Wheeler: fucking, dude, I can’t even tell you how hard I looked for, like, old hard drives at my mom’s house.

[00:27:08] Chris Power: Cuz

[00:27:09] Ken Wheeler: where’s all that shit that was in my room?

[00:27:10] Ken Wheeler: I’m

[00:27:11] Ken Wheeler: like, No!

[00:27:13] Chuck Carpenter: Let’s see. Someone else is rich.

[00:27:16] Chris Power: damn.

[00:27:17] Ken Wheeler: Searching. Dude, so, if I ever found that, oh, man. Unprecedented wealth. I wonder how much Bitcoin is actually unaccounted for. Has

[00:27:23] Ken Wheeler: to

[00:27:24] Chuck Carpenter: Oh,

[00:27:24] Chuck Carpenter: I’m

[00:27:24] Chris Power: Oh so much so much

[00:27:27] Chuck Carpenter: I would guess quite a bit, which probably doesn’t hurt its values. Like it’s never going to get moved. That just increases rarity.

[00:27:33] Chris Power: Yeah, it’s the blockchain baby.

[00:27:36] Chuck Carpenter: Hmm.

[00:27:37] Chris Power: The linked list, the big linked list,

[00:27:39] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:27:40] Chris Power: the big link.

[00:27:41] Chuck Carpenter: Block link links forever in perpetuity.

[00:27:44] Chris Power: I never got into, , crypto currency at all. It’s just, it was never really a big thing for me. I feel like maybe a couple thousand bucks at it, like a couple years ago, took that money out as soon as I broke even. And I was like, yeah, I’m all done with it. I just don’t have the time to really think about it and like, be good [00:28:00] at like knowing what to do, you

[00:28:01] Chuck Carpenter: Agree. I kind of was in the same boat where I was like, I don’t have the time to really like put my head in

[00:28:07] Chuck Carpenter: this.

[00:28:07] Ken Wheeler: I got in there. It was dumb.

[00:28:08] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:28:10] Robbie Wagner: do you’ll be really rich. Like

[00:28:14] Robbie Wagner: I’ve lost all of my money on everything I’ve ever done. So just follow me for the opposite of what you want to do. Just short anything I’m doing and uh, you’re good.

[00:28:22] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:28:23] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Yeah. You wouldn’t, you can’t tell. Yeah, exactly. Well, that’s the George Costanza thing. all of his instincts of anything he’s ever done have been wrong, so the opposite must be right. You remember that Seinfeld? And then he goes up to the woman and he decides, rather than the lies he normally does, he’s like, Hi, I’m George, I’m this old, and I’m balding, and live with my parents.

[00:28:46] Chuck Carpenter: And she’s like, Well, hello.

[00:28:48] Chris Power: Yeah.

[00:28:50] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. So. Yeah, that’s a good one. But I was gonna say, so, Robbie, you can’t tell, cause the lighting is good and stuff, but that is actually a trailer, like [00:29:00] a double wide trailer, that he’s in right now. Yeah. And, um, yeah, yeah. He drives a 1990 Bronco.

[00:29:08] Chuck Carpenter: It’s not white

[00:29:09] Ken Wheeler: Do you know what I would give for a fucking trailer in a 1990 Bronco?

[00:29:13] Chuck Carpenter: Uh, I don’t know, a week’s salary, maybe? I mean, it would, it doesn’t sound too hard,

[00:29:19] Ken Wheeler: I’m just not allowed to do that sort of thing.

[00:29:21] Chuck Carpenter: Okay, well

[00:29:21] Ken Wheeler: But if I were,

[00:29:23] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, so.

[00:29:25] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t think

[00:29:26] Ken Wheeler: the two and just get like a fucking Airstream or

[00:29:28] Chuck Carpenter: just pull it around with the

[00:29:29] Chuck Carpenter: Bronco.

[00:29:29] Ken Wheeler: camper vans and just set it up

[00:29:31] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. In

[00:29:33] Ken Wheeler: a kegerator into it,

[00:29:35] Chuck Carpenter: Mm hmm, yeah.

[00:29:36] Ken Wheeler: all this fucking shit.

[00:29:38] Chris Power: Hell yeah.

[00:29:39] Chuck Carpenter: But then just be too much of like a giant slug to ever go use the guns or drive it anywhere.

[00:29:44] Chuck Carpenter: You’re just like eating Funyuns and you’re like, The internet is stupid! I know. this is what, uh, this is the pit of disparity we may all

[00:29:54] Robbie Wagner: speaking of stupid Internet, want to ask a thing and I have no idea the [00:30:00] context. What is the react t shirt incident?

[00:30:02] Chris Power: Oh!

[00:30:03] Chris Power: I wanted to know too!

[00:30:04] Chris Power: I wanted to know?

[00:30:05] Chris Power: that too.

[00:30:06] Chuck Carpenter: Mm mm,

[00:30:06] Robbie Wagner: Oh, I thought you knew because you were like, I don’t know and I thought that was like a joke

[00:30:10] Robbie Wagner: that you

[00:30:11] Robbie Wagner: did know

[00:30:11] Ken Wheeler: Wait, do you guys, do you not know? I know, I’ll tell you all about

[00:30:14] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t

[00:30:14] Chuck Carpenter: know.

[00:30:15] Chris Power: yeah I want to

[00:30:15] Chris Power: hear it.

[00:30:16] Ken Wheeler: my buddy goes and creates this shirt you ever seen one of those shirts where it’s like, it’s like Washington and Lincoln and fucking do do do do, you know, like, it’s like five names that pertain to a

[00:30:27] Ken Wheeler: thing

[00:30:28] Ken Wheeler: Right. So they did that with React and people got upset that it was all fellers and that was the React t-shirt incident.

[00:30:35] Chris Power: Oh, cause it was all dudes?

[00:30:37] Ken Wheeler: Yeah.

[00:30:37] Robbie Wagner: Okay. It doesn’t sound that bad. I was hoping for more controversy.

[00:30:41] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[00:30:41] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, you were shooting for

[00:30:42] Chuck Carpenter: something

[00:30:43] Ken Wheeler: I assure you it was heated at the time.

[00:30:45] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:30:47] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I tried to Google it, and all I found is like 10 different sites are selling our React Was A Mistake t shirts

[00:30:55] Chuck Carpenter: Oh yeah, they

[00:30:56] Robbie Wagner: us.

[00:30:57] Ken Wheeler: Well, it was. It was particularly contentious ‘cause I [00:31:00] was on the fucking shirt

[00:31:01] Robbie Wagner: ha ha

[00:31:01] Robbie Wagner: ha

[00:31:02] Robbie Wagner: ha

[00:31:02] Robbie Wagner: ha

[00:31:02] Robbie Wagner: ha ha What the fuck?

[00:31:06] Robbie Wagner: Yeah

[00:31:08] Chris Power: the only thing I uh, when I, when I looked it up, the only thing I found was the uh, the circle game incident. At a conference, which was, uh, I thought very funny, but also kind of sad that people got that upset about that.

[00:31:20] Chris Power: Such a classic game.

[00:31:22] Ken Wheeler: Yeah. And it was the game in context too. So

[00:31:25] Chuck Carpenter: Well, what was the circle game

[00:31:27] Ken Wheeler: you don’t remember that, that, that I’m not fucked. Oh, that’s fucking bait doing that shit.

[00:31:33] Chris Power: Well, guys, if you want to

[00:31:34] Chris Power: know

[00:31:34] Chris Power: the circle game, guys, if you want to know the circle game, just look down here. Well so now

[00:31:40] Robbie Wagner: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[00:31:43] Robbie Wagner: I know. Yeah Yeah

[00:31:54] Ken Wheeler: I tell you the funniest thing you’ve ever heard in your entire life?

[00:31:57] Ken Wheeler: So that was actually a backup joke, was, it was React [00:32:00] Rally And it was in Salt Lake City. And I was, I was going to come out in a white shirt and ask them if they had a minute to talk about our Lord and Savior React.

[00:32:08] Ken Wheeler: So, so, so I go and, and ask the dudes running the conference. I’m like, I’m like, Hey, I have like an idea for like a joke opener, but you know,

[00:32:18] Ken Wheeler: Perhaps a little heat on it, right? they’re like, Do not do that. Under no circumstances should you ever do that. I’m like, I’m like, okay, yeah, I won’t.

[00:32:28] Ken Wheeler: that’s what I picked.

[00:32:30] Ken Wheeler: I was like, oh, I’ll just fuckin tell everybody in the audience I’ll get to punch him now.

[00:32:33] Chris Power: That’s a

[00:32:33] Chris Power: genius idea. Just go on as a missionary.

[00:32:36] Ken Wheeler: That would’ve

[00:32:36] Ken Wheeler: been fuckin funny as fuck, but

[00:32:38] Ken Wheeler: no,

[00:32:38] Ken Wheeler: they

[00:32:38] Chris Power: That’s so good.

[00:32:39] Ken Wheeler: No, but then, then I go do the other thing, and fuckin that, that’s the problem.

[00:32:43] Chris Power: Yeah, right.

[00:32:43] Chris Power: Yeah.

[00:32:44] Ken Wheeler: I did the Lord and Savior thing, like a couple Mormon guys would’ve came up to me after and be like, What the, come on, cut that shit out.

[00:32:48] Chuck Carpenter: Come on. We don’t love that. Yeah. Or said nothing. But that, I might do that. I mean, we are, we like to troll. I mean, we showed up to React Miami with React was a [00:33:00] mistake t shirts. So trolling is good. So, maybe I’m gonna go to

[00:33:03] Ken Wheeler: fucking choir if you go to a React conference saying that shit.

[00:33:06] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, right? Yeah, they, everybody feels that, but here it is, it’s pervasive, it’s the, you know, it’s where we are.

[00:33:12] Chuck Carpenter: I, I might, I’m not gonna go fucking write Angular.

[00:33:15] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, right, yeah, exactly, like,

[00:33:17] Chuck Carpenter: look at

[00:33:17] Chris Power: not gonna, Hey, we’re not going to write Ember. Okay,

[00:33:19] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:33:20] Chuck Carpenter: well, nobody will pay you to write Ember. I would write Ember, nobody

[00:33:23] Robbie Wagner: places will

[00:33:24] Robbie Wagner: pay you

[00:33:25] Robbie Wagner: to write angular at least they won’t pay you to write ember

[00:33:28] Chuck Carpenter: SolidJS, I mean, that’s like a side project fucking,

[00:33:32] Chuck Carpenter: you

[00:33:32] Robbie Wagner: know, places it’ll pay me to write ember because if you

[00:33:34] Ken Wheeler: SolidJS is awesome, I wish I could fucking

[00:33:36] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, no, I would be down.

[00:33:37] Chuck Carpenter: Like, that wasn’t shade, that was just like, it’s very niche. You know what was also cool? Elixir is cool. There’s like, two

[00:33:44] Chuck Carpenter: places, I thought it was cool. and,

[00:33:48] Chuck Carpenter: yeah.

[00:33:48] Robbie Wagner: Nope. Cause that’s Dockyard’s thing. So we can’t, we can’t

[00:33:51] Chuck Carpenter: Right, oh right, we can’t like it. I don’t know, you, yeah, okay. Well, there you go.

[00:33:56] Chris Power: Yeah, fuck those guys.

[00:33:58] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:33:58] Chuck Carpenter: you heard it.

[00:33:59] Robbie Wagner: [00:34:00] Yeah.

[00:34:00] Chuck Carpenter: says fuck you. Okay.

[00:34:02] Robbie Wagner: I’ll say it. Yeah. Brian Carterella. Fuck you. Fuck you.

[00:34:07] Chris Power: Brian Coterell, who lives at

[00:34:09] Robbie Wagner: Yeah.

[00:34:10] Chuck Carpenter: Where are they

[00:34:11] Robbie Wagner: Bye.

[00:34:11] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t even

[00:34:12] Chuck Carpenter: know,

[00:34:12] Ken Wheeler: Brian just

[00:34:13] Ken Wheeler: catching.

[00:34:14] Robbie Wagner: I think he lives in a giant vault of gold is probably where his address is.

[00:34:19] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:34:19] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. His

[00:34:20] Chris Power: I spoke at little Ember meetup once in Boston at their headquarters. It was cool.

[00:34:26] Chuck Carpenter: Okay,

[00:34:26] Chuck Carpenter: then. I don’t think they have a

[00:34:27] Chuck Carpenter: physical

[00:34:28] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, fuck those guys.

[00:34:29] Chris Power: Fuck those guys.

[00:34:30] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t know.

[00:34:31] Chuck Carpenter: So wait, Ken, is your office in New York or Miami or both?

[00:34:35] Ken Wheeler: It’s nowhere. It’s my fucking house. And

[00:34:37] Ken Wheeler: that’s, that’s all

[00:34:38] Chuck Carpenter: house, but like, when they call you to the mothership, where do you

[00:34:41] Chuck Carpenter: go? I don’t know.

[00:34:41] Chuck Carpenter: You can’t say a city. You can’t say a

[00:34:44] Chuck Carpenter: city.

[00:34:45] Ken Wheeler: From time to time, I will find myself in major U. S. cities

[00:34:50] Chuck Carpenter: for the FBI. He’s a fucking

[00:34:51] Chuck Carpenter: snitch. I think that’s what we just figured out.

[00:34:54] Chuck Carpenter: He’s

[00:34:54] Chris Power: he went, he went to Miami, he went to a co working space.

[00:34:57] Chris Power: Just for a little bit.

[00:34:58] Chris Power: Maybe he has co working [00:35:00] spaces that he likes to go to elsewhere.

[00:35:02] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, maybe.

[00:35:03] Ken Wheeler: out and about.

[00:35:04] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[00:35:05] Chuck Carpenter: a man about town.

[00:35:07] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:35:09] Chris Power: you weren’t in the city.

[00:35:12] Ken Wheeler: I was in the

[00:35:13] Chuck Carpenter: a lot of

[00:35:13] Chris Power: Well, not

[00:35:14] Ken Wheeler: just not when you were in it. I was, I missed you by a day.

[00:35:17] Chris Power: Yeah, that’s, yep.

[00:35:19] Ken Wheeler: you’re in Mass Hall?

[00:35:20] Chris Power: No, I’m in

[00:35:20] Chris Power: Connecticut,

[00:35:21] Chris Power: actually. I you’re in Connecticut, yeah, you’re in Connecticut, yeah.

[00:35:23] Chris Power: No, I’m like, I’m an hour and twenty from the city, like, uh, train ride, so.

[00:35:26] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, likewise. Hell yeah.

[00:35:28] Chuck Carpenter: Listen, Robbie and I had an amazing talent at the Jack Rows, the best whiskey bar in the United States by far. Perhaps the world, I’m not sure yet. And, we were not joined at all

[00:35:40] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, I

[00:35:41] Robbie Wagner: did

[00:35:41] Robbie Wagner: appreciate the text

[00:35:43] Chris Power: Where?

[00:35:44] Robbie Wagner: Chuck looks at whiskey like a painting. I look at it like paint.

[00:35:50] Chuck Carpenter: You,

[00:35:51] Chris Power: Wait, when were you guys, when were you guys here? Was this, where, were you guys in the city? I love D. C.,

[00:35:57] Chuck Carpenter: yeah. Not,

[00:35:58] Chuck Carpenter: not

[00:35:58] Chuck Carpenter: that city.

[00:35:59] Ken Wheeler: I was gonna meet him down [00:36:00] there and then got fucking vetoed.

[00:36:02] Chuck Carpenter: Mm

[00:36:02] Ken Wheeler: Dude, I have just like a billion kids. I’m like, you ever see Hotel Transylvania? I’m like the fucking the werewolf dude

[00:36:09] Ken Wheeler: with the billion kids.

[00:36:10] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I’ve not only seen Hotel Transylvania, but I’ve seen parts two, three, and I believe

[00:36:16] Chuck Carpenter: four.

[00:36:17] Ken Wheeler: You and me both? Yeah,

[00:36:18] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:36:19] Chuck Carpenter: Multiple times.

[00:36:20] Chris Power: You have three kids, Ken?

[00:36:21] Ken Wheeler: Yeah.

[00:36:22] Chris Power: Chuck

[00:36:23] Chuck Carpenter: Two.

[00:36:24] Chris Power: too. I have twins. Robbie, you are, are you a kid list?

[00:36:29] Robbie Wagner: No, I got one.

[00:36:30] Chris Power: Oh, nice.

[00:36:31] Chuck Carpenter: So far.

[00:36:32] Chuck Carpenter: Social

[00:36:33] Ken Wheeler: I’m gonna toss a fourth in there. Pipe’s still hot.

[00:36:35] Chris Power: I, Hey,

[00:36:36] Chris Power: speaking of pipes,

[00:36:37] Chuck Carpenter: only like 25,

[00:36:38] Chris Power: We have, uh, we have a child on

[00:36:40] Chris Power: the way.

[00:36:41] Chuck Carpenter: time.

[00:36:42] Chuck Carpenter: What? Did you just

[00:36:43] Chris Power: of, end of April, end of April.

[00:36:45] Ken Wheeler: will be

[00:36:45] Ken Wheeler: three? is number three.

[00:36:47] Chris Power: Yep. We’re underachieving not twins this time, but

[00:36:52] Chris Power: yeah. Third child, end of

[00:36:53] Chuck Carpenter: Actually, I think you’re overachieving. I think going through twins, the infant stage, didn’t dissuade [00:37:00] you from doing that again, taking a shot at that,

[00:37:03] Chris Power: Yeah, I know. That was, Yeah, I always take shots. I’m always taking my shots.

[00:37:07] Chris Power: I’m always shooting.

[00:37:08] Chuck Carpenter: this is hilarious, because apparently there’s some new, like, Botox like thing kinda out there,

[00:37:14] Ken Wheeler: You’re fucking gonna Botox your dick?

[00:37:16] Chris Power: Hell yeah. Hell

[00:37:17] Chuck Carpenter: I mean, it

[00:37:18] Chuck Carpenter: works, you know, so, it’s called Xeomin.

[00:37:21] Chris Power: over your

[00:37:26] Chuck Carpenter: okay, okay, obviously I’m having these conversations with my wife or whatever else. Like, oh, there’s a

[00:37:30] Chuck Carpenter: thing,

[00:37:30] Chuck Carpenter: and my

[00:37:31] Robbie Wagner: you, you

[00:37:31] Robbie Wagner: put Z Men in your face?

[00:37:33] Chuck Carpenter: And I was like, ah, you can get all the Z Men for free that you want for your face, or wherever else, you just tell me, you know?

[00:37:39] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. You don’t need to buy that. I still got some. I’m always making

[00:37:43] Chuck Carpenter: it.

[00:37:44] Chuck Carpenter: So, anyway,

[00:37:45] Ken Wheeler: fuckin raw milk! It’s

[00:37:53] Chuck Carpenter: here. From the source.

[00:37:56] Chris Power: Oh, shit.

[00:37:57] Chris Power: No, but yeah, I’m missing, uh,

[00:37:59] Ken Wheeler: no good when it’s [00:38:00] old.

[00:38:00] Chris Power: I’m going to miss react Miami this year, unfortunately.

[00:38:02] Ken Wheeler: you?

[00:38:04] Chris Power: End of April, end of

[00:38:05] Chris Power: April.

[00:38:06] Chuck Carpenter: Are you

[00:38:06] Chuck Carpenter: sure, though? Yeah.

[00:38:08] Ken Wheeler: Oh Yeah.

[00:38:08] Ken Wheeler: that’s right,

[00:38:09] Ken Wheeler: yeah!

[00:38:10] Chris Power: I

[00:38:13] Chris Power: mean, now we’re so blessed

[00:38:14] Chuck Carpenter: That’s good. Yeah. Hashtag blessed.

[00:38:16] Chris Power: Hashtag.

[00:38:16] Chris Power: blessed.

[00:38:18] Chris Power: No, but I’ll have, we’ll have to do, Uh,

[00:38:20] Chris Power: yeah, I, I always get jealous, you know, You guys react, made me seem like I had such a good time.

[00:38:25] Ken Wheeler: You know where you should come? To render.

[00:38:28] Chris Power: render Atlanta?

[00:38:30] Chris Power: Hell Yeah,

[00:38:30] Chris Power: I’ll

[00:38:30] Chris Power: be

[00:38:31] Chuck Carpenter: Ken, when are you going to apply the pressure to Justin? Because I can’t pay him money as a sponsor, so.

[00:38:38] Ken Wheeler: I’ll apply to him right now.

[00:38:40] Chuck Carpenter: Okay.

[00:38:41] Robbie Wagner: messaged him

[00:38:42] Chuck Carpenter: that? Okay, I was

[00:38:44] Chuck Carpenter: going to

[00:38:44] Chuck Carpenter: say, didn’t you

[00:38:45] Robbie Wagner: let’s talk after he gets back

[00:38:46] Robbie Wagner: from Italy, which I guess is in January. I don’t know.

[00:38:50] Ken Wheeler: Oh

[00:38:51] Ken Wheeler: yeah, he

[00:38:51] Ken Wheeler: is out there.

[00:38:52] Robbie Wagner: Guy that runs

[00:38:53] Ken Wheeler: The man.

[00:38:54] Chuck Carpenter: Yep.

[00:38:54] Chris Power: got it. Got it.

[00:38:57] Chris Power: So Render is cool. Wait, when is, uh, when’s the

[00:38:59] Chris Power: conference this year?

[00:38:59] Chuck Carpenter: [00:39:00] huge.

[00:39:00] Ken Wheeler: want to say probably

[00:39:01] Ken Wheeler: June. but maybe I might be wrong.

[00:39:03] Ken Wheeler: It’s really, really good. It’s uh, just fun stuff.

[00:39:07] Ken Wheeler: All around town.

[00:39:09] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. here will be the exchange, Ken. If you can get us there, get us hooked up, I’m gonna

[00:39:18] Chuck Carpenter: take

[00:39:18] Chris Power: Pay for my flight.

[00:39:20] Chuck Carpenter: Yes, also pay for my flight. Get us hooked up. Get us there. We’re going to the Porsche Experience Center.

[00:39:27] Ken Wheeler: Ooh. That’s

[00:39:28] Chris Power: Oh, you’re a Porsche. guy. I

[00:39:30] Chris Power: forgot

[00:39:31] Ken Wheeler: really want one.

[00:39:33] Chuck Carpenter: I’m

[00:39:33] Chuck Carpenter: not German,

[00:39:34] Chris Power: sorry.

[00:39:34] Chuck Carpenter: say it. That’s how they say it.

[00:39:37] Chuck Carpenter: Like I didn’t make up the fucking word.

[00:39:39] Ken Wheeler: I

[00:39:39] Ken Wheeler: saw a fucking sick one in Miami. Holy shit.

[00:39:41] Chuck Carpenter: you may or may not know someone who knows a lot about them, so

[00:39:45] Robbie Wagner: Yeah,

[00:39:46] Robbie Wagner: you know kelly vaughn

[00:39:47] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, she knows. She knows a little bit. She knows a little bit, but.

[00:39:51] Ken Wheeler: Well, I’m gonna consult with you before getting one.

[00:39:54] Chuck Carpenter: Okay. Definitely do that.

[00:39:56] Robbie Wagner: You could even

[00:39:57] Ken Wheeler: I, drove my

[00:39:57] Ken Wheeler: neighbors.

[00:39:58] Chuck Carpenter: Well, yeah, I was gonna say you can [00:40:00] buy mine.

[00:40:00] Ken Wheeler: I’ll buy yours

[00:40:01] Chuck Carpenter: a Taycan Cross Turismo, , with all wheel steering, Neptune Blue. It’s pretty sick.

[00:40:08] Chris Power: you couldn’t afford the Neptune purple?

[00:40:10] Chris Power: Had to go with blue,

[00:40:11] Chuck Carpenter: I know, I couldn’t. Yeah. anyway.

[00:40:14] Chris Power: No, it sounds sick.

[00:40:15] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, we can talk about that more offline, but What did you drive? Do you know?

[00:40:19] Ken Wheeler: A nine 11,

[00:40:20] Chuck Carpenter: There’s still a lot of those. Like a GT3, like a regular one, like a T, a 4S,

[00:40:26] Ken Wheeler: I think. GT three.

[00:40:29] Chuck Carpenter: Hmm, yeah, so that’s like the race car version for the road.

[00:40:33] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, it was my neighbor’s and he wanted, he wanted his daughter and son in law during the wedding to like, drive with the just married cans

[00:40:40] Ken Wheeler: with it. So he says, he says, Ken, can you do me a favor? Can you drive it over here?

[00:40:44] Ken Wheeler: And I was like, ah, I’ll tell you what, I suppose. And I

[00:40:48] Ken Wheeler: got in there and it

[00:40:49] Ken Wheeler: was

[00:40:49] Chris Power: You turn into a

[00:40:50] Ken Wheeler: Bueller when he fucking like, Valet’s the car

[00:40:53] Chuck Carpenter: Mm-hmm

[00:40:56] Ken Wheeler: And um,

[00:40:57] Ken Wheeler: my wife

[00:40:57] Ken Wheeler: was like my wife was like you should get one of those you look [00:41:00] fucking cool in it I

[00:41:00] Ken Wheeler: was like, oh shit. I got I kind of got to get one of these fuck

[00:41:02] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[00:41:03] Chris Power: you

[00:41:03] Chris Power: get the okay by the wife

[00:41:04] Chris Power: I

[00:41:04] Chris Power: mean,

[00:41:05] Chris Power: God, you have to. It’s

[00:41:06] Chuck Carpenter: three, you gotta get a GT three Rs YOC edition, and then if you special order it, you’re basically gonna never lose any money. It’s not a depreciating asset, which is pretty nice too.

[00:41:18] Chris Power: That’s pretty cool.

[00:41:19] Robbie Wagner: Unlike all cars i’ve ever bought,

[00:41:22] Chris Power: Robbie, are you a car guy?

[00:41:23] Robbie Wagner: no, I mean i’ve dabbled

[00:41:25] Robbie Wagner: I

[00:41:26] Robbie Wagner: had a uh, I had a pretty nice bronco resto mod that I

[00:41:30] Robbie Wagner: had to sell because I don’t have any money anymore.

[00:41:33] Ken Wheeler: are fire

[00:41:35] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, and that was a sick bronco, too. That was a really cool one.

[00:41:38] Robbie Wagner: yeah, but yeah, I mean i’m kind of like whatever is simple now like I

[00:41:42] Robbie Wagner: pre ordered Several electric suvs whenever somebody will actually make one

[00:41:48] Robbie Wagner: I’m just gonna get some of those and never have to get gas again.

[00:41:50] Robbie Wagner: It

[00:41:51] Chuck Carpenter: That new Scout does look cool. So International Scout uh, started accept Harvester,

[00:41:56] Chuck Carpenter: Scout. Yes. So they started accepting pre [00:42:00] orders for like two years from now, something like that. And their SUV is really nice. It’s like on the Rivian platform, but has more like retro y looking things.

[00:42:08] Robbie Wagner: Well, it’s just called Scout now, because International Harvester sold it to VW.

[00:42:14] Robbie Wagner: So, VW’s making them, basically. Or not,

[00:42:17] Ken Wheeler: you guys don’t see any risk in buying some rando fucking brand.

[00:42:20] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, they’re a VW backed brand. And isn’t Rivian a Rando brand?

[00:42:25] Ken Wheeler: I didn’t buy a fucking

[00:42:26] Chuck Carpenter: a Rando brand? Oh, well they’re pretty nice. I bought one and sold it for money.

[00:42:30] Chuck Carpenter: So it was cool. Yeah, yeah, we pre I pre ordered, and then my wife didn’t want

[00:42:34] Chuck Carpenter: it,

[00:42:34] Ken Wheeler: I want a Toyota Hilux

[00:42:36] Chuck Carpenter: I

[00:42:37] Chuck Carpenter: don’t

[00:42:37] Chuck Carpenter: even

[00:42:37] Chuck Carpenter: know what that

[00:42:37] Ken Wheeler: bed

[00:42:37] Chuck Carpenter: You already lost me at

[00:42:38] Chuck Carpenter: Toyota.

[00:42:39] Chris Power: A bed mounted machine gun.

[00:42:45] Chris Power: Hell yeah.

[00:42:45] Ken Wheeler: Or a surplus Humvee, with a fucking Tempur Pedic

[00:42:48] Ken Wheeler: bed in the

[00:42:49] Chuck Carpenter: no, no.

[00:42:49] Chuck Carpenter: no.

[00:42:50] Chris Power: yeah, dude. Fuck

[00:42:51] Chuck Carpenter: They’re like 10, 000 pounds. Those giant hump So in Arizona, there’s like crazy cars everywhere. I mean, there’s probably [00:43:00] like a hundred Cybertrucks in my neighborhood.

[00:43:03] Ken Wheeler: I see Cybertrucks a lot.

[00:43:04] Chuck Carpenter: wrapped. That’s like weird.

[00:43:07] Ken Wheeler: I wanna get a Cybertruck and wrap it in snow camo.

[00:43:10] Chuck Carpenter: McLarens in my neighborhood too,

[00:43:13] Chuck Carpenter: though.

[00:43:13] Ken Wheeler: Is any of them snow camo?

[00:43:15] Chuck Carpenter: Uh uh.

[00:43:16] Chris Power: There you

[00:43:17] Ken Wheeler: It should be.

[00:43:17] Chuck Carpenter: do you feel like that’s ineffective in the desert?

[00:43:21] Ken Wheeler: No, I think it’s a

[00:43:21] Chuck Carpenter: Snow camo? You’re always gonna be

[00:43:24] Chuck Carpenter: seen.

[00:43:25] Chris Power: one will expect it. No one

[00:43:26] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[00:43:27] Ken Wheeler: You drive through the desert, Cybertruck.

[00:43:28] Chuck Carpenter: And bright white. You gotta get desert camo.

[00:43:30] Ken Wheeler: Rollin up,

[00:43:31] Chuck Carpenter: might be cool. I

[00:43:32] Ken Wheeler: down, dick out, dude.

[00:43:33] Chuck Carpenter: uh.

[00:43:34] Chuck Carpenter: Alright, let’s figure out how to go fund me a Lambo that I can snow camo.

[00:43:40] Chris Power: I’m

[00:43:40] Chris Power: in, I’m in Robbie’s

[00:43:41] Chris Power: boat. I had actually had a Bronco, a

[00:43:43] Chris Power: new one that I liked, but I got rid of it because it was too expensive.

[00:43:47] Chris Power: here’s the thing, controversial take. They’re not that good. They’re not very good cars.

[00:43:51] Chuck Carpenter: Ooh. A Ford

[00:43:53] Chuck Carpenter: isn’t

[00:43:53] Ken Wheeler: Well, yeah, It’s a Ford.

[00:43:55] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, it’s not about being good. It’s about being fun.

[00:43:58] Chris Power: So yes, I agree. It’s [00:44:00] fun. It’s a very fun car, but like just driving it every day. I was like, it’s just Such a rough ride

[00:44:06] Chris Power: for how much money it costs. And I was

[00:44:07] Chris Power: like, I get it. It’s an

[00:44:09] Ken Wheeler: What are you drivin now?

[00:44:10] Chris Power: well, I drive a very fancy car. It’s a, um, 2024. Very

[00:44:15] Chris Power: nice.

[00:44:16] Chuck Carpenter: Ford Focus. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! But it’s

[00:44:22] Chuck Carpenter: new!

[00:44:22] Chuck Carpenter: Ha ha ha

[00:44:24] Chris Power: Volkswagen

[00:44:24] Chuck Carpenter: ha!

[00:44:25] Chuck Carpenter: that the big one?

[00:44:27] Chris Power: No, it’s a small. It’s the

[00:44:28] Chris Power: opposite. Think

[00:44:28] Chris Power: opposite

[00:44:29] Chris Power: of big and small, but, um,

[00:44:30] Chuck Carpenter: It’s the New Jersey sized

[00:44:31] Chuck Carpenter: one.

[00:44:32] Chris Power: I

[00:44:32] Chris Power: yeah, I might, I might drive 7, 000 miles a year at most.

[00:44:36] Chris Power: So like, you know,

[00:44:38] Chuck Carpenter: Same.

[00:44:38] Chris Power: didn’t need much and I just wanted to reduce the cost

[00:44:41] Chris Power: of, you know, baby threes on the way. Can I reduce the cost a little

[00:44:44] Chuck Carpenter: No, I feel you. Yeah, yeah.

[00:44:46] Chris Power: So the Volkswagen’s house is easy.

[00:44:48] Chris Power: Something, you know, whatever.

[00:44:49] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. That’s what

[00:44:49] Ken Wheeler: So I, uh, I have two. And, for her, right, she wanted a three row.

[00:44:56] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, yes. Yeah.

[00:44:57] Ken Wheeler: child folk. Right? So we got a Grand [00:45:00] Cherokee L. Which is a three row Grand Cherokee. And it’s a big fucking,

[00:45:04] Ken Wheeler: you know, I’m sitting here trying to pull into parking spots and I’m like, what the fuck, dude, this thing is huge. But it’s okay because I, I like select cars almost exclusively on the user interface of their music system.

[00:45:15] Chris Power: Mmm.

[00:45:16] Ken Wheeler: And Chrysler has a very good one. I used to be a Jeep guy. Chrysler’s really good. I hate Fords. Chevy’s is okay. there’s others that I like or don’t like, but Oh, the new Kia shit’s pretty sick. But Chrysler, across everything, Dodge, all that shit, the interface is pretty fucking tight.

[00:45:31] Ken Wheeler: My other car is a Land Rover Defender, and the difference in ride between that and the Grand Cherokee is unbelievable. Similarly sized vehicles, but like fucking, like if you’re actually driving, you know, you had the red wine or two, you’re going to 7 Eleven,

[00:45:47] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. We, uh, we rented a defender to take down to all things

[00:45:51] Robbie Wagner: open and it was actually, yeah, like going 90 on the freeway is like not bumpy, which I was surprised [00:46:00] by.

[00:46:00] Chris Power: And the Defender?

[00:46:01] Ken Wheeler: Yeah.

[00:46:02] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, no, it was, it was decent. Who went 90, me or you?

[00:46:05] Robbie Wagner: mostly you. I touched it a couple of times, but I was like, that’s what, like, when I hit that, I was like, I feel like I’m not going that fast. Like, this is really

[00:46:15] Chris Power: That’s no, it was, it was a nice car. Like, in general. Yeah, I mean, unsurprising that a Land Rover has, like, better creature comforts than just, like,

[00:46:24] Chuck Carpenter: ride.

[00:46:25] Ken Wheeler: reasonably spartan compared to a Range Rover.

[00:46:28] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, for sure.

[00:46:29] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[00:46:30] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, the

[00:46:30] Robbie Wagner: like,

[00:46:30] Robbie Wagner: the extra middle seat in the front. That’s pretty dope.

[00:46:34] Ken Wheeler: yeah, it’s like a Jeep, kind of,

[00:46:35] Ken Wheeler: right?

[00:46:36] Ken Wheeler: It’s like a luxury Jeep

[00:46:40] Ken Wheeler: of sorts, but like the Range Rover itself had way more accoutrements.

[00:46:43] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, the Range Rover is more of like, you know, the Bentley of SUVs in a way, or had been like sort

[00:46:50] Chuck Carpenter: of

[00:46:50] Chuck Carpenter: like

[00:46:50] Robbie Wagner: I think Bentley is the Bentley of SUVs.

[00:46:52] Chuck Carpenter: Well now, now that they all make everything, the stupid Lamborghini one, also all over my neighborhood, which is just an, [00:47:00] a Q8 with a Lambo engine in it, they’re so annoying.

[00:47:03] Chuck Carpenter: And the Ferrari one’s coming out soon, which I’m sure a bunch of Scottsdale moms are gonna buy.

[00:47:09] Ken Wheeler: Have you seen these vehicles where they’re like bulletproof SUVs?

[00:47:13] Chris Power: Yes.

[00:47:15] Ken Wheeler: I want one of those so

[00:47:16] Chris Power: Those look so sick.

[00:47:17] Ken Wheeler: They’re so fucking they’re like 200 000 so i’m probably not gonna get it ever

[00:47:21] Chris Power: I forget the name of them. I’ve seen it though.

[00:47:23] Ken Wheeler: Yeah.

[00:47:23] Ken Wheeler: it’s a sick of shit dude

[00:47:24] Chuck Carpenter: Then you better confirm what 9 11 you want, because you’re in that, you’re in that land.

[00:47:30] Ken Wheeler: Yeah a used one

[00:47:32] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, well, like

[00:47:33] Chuck Carpenter: I

[00:47:34] Ken Wheeler: could get a new one, but i’m gonna get a lower trim if I got a new

[00:47:37] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, you get like a

[00:47:38] Chuck Carpenter: five to

[00:47:39] Ken Wheeler: In this

[00:47:39] Chuck Carpenter: one, and it’s Yeah, well, that’s the thing is the GT3 is really scaled back in terms of creature comfort. So it’s not like I care about car play and a bunch of like things like that that are changing all the time. So otherwise, the technology is just all

[00:47:55] Chuck Carpenter: mostly in the

[00:47:56] Ken Wheeler: little fucker like that dude, like I would just

[00:47:58] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, who cares? like [00:48:00] manual and i’d be fucking just sitting there like

[00:48:02] Ken Wheeler: It would be an activity in and of itself

[00:48:03] Ken Wheeler: Whereas like my current car right now is like point a to point b

[00:48:07] Ken Wheeler: Listen to future and fucking drink a coffee kind

[00:48:10] Ken Wheeler: of

[00:48:10] Ken Wheeler: thing

[00:48:11] Ken Wheeler: What is g next

[00:48:13] Chuck Carpenter: The new Kendrick Lamar album.

[00:48:15] Chris Power: Ooh, I heard

[00:48:17] Ken Wheeler: god damn it, you know what

[00:48:18] Chris Power: I heard

[00:48:18] Chuck Carpenter: I’ve been listening

[00:48:20] Ken Wheeler: I don’t fucking

[00:48:20] Chuck Carpenter: the last couple days. Oh, you’re a Drake fan.

[00:48:24] Chuck Carpenter: You fucking Canadian,

[00:48:25] Ken Wheeler: I am a Drake fan. I’m a fan of the other rap too. But, you know, the thing with Kendrick, uh, The production on the album is very good. I just don’t rock to that shit. I mean? I know motherfuckers are like, Oh, Kendrick’s good. I listen to this. Kendrick’s good. Kendrick got a Pulitzer. He’s fucking, you know.

[00:48:41] Ken Wheeler: You know, you gotta listen to it, man. Really listen to it. It’s good. I’m not trying to listen to it. music is escapism for me. I listen to

[00:48:46] Ken Wheeler: fucking Lil Pump.

[00:48:48] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, like, you’re not trying to get, you’re not trying to get

[00:48:51] Chuck Carpenter: like, Oh, let me, let me, let me, absorb it over time. I, I mean, here you go, here’s my hot

[00:48:56] Chuck Carpenter: take.

[00:48:56] Chuck Carpenter: I

[00:48:56] Chuck Carpenter: think the,

[00:48:57] Ken Wheeler: you something about me Thick white bitch sitting in the [00:49:00] front seat.

[00:49:01] Ken Wheeler: Scoot! What? Like

[00:49:05] Chuck Carpenter: I think the new Eminem is better than the new, , Kendrick Lamar.

[00:49:10] Ken Wheeler: That is a hot

[00:49:11] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. The new

[00:49:11] Robbie Wagner: Eminem is good.

[00:49:13] Chuck Carpenter: I think it’s very good.

[00:49:14] Robbie Wagner: is good,

[00:49:14] Robbie Wagner: but,

[00:49:15] Robbie Wagner: I like the like story, like

[00:49:17] Robbie Wagner: overarching

[00:49:17] Robbie Wagner: story

[00:49:18] Chuck Carpenter: it has a whole

[00:49:19] Chuck Carpenter: thing, like, you can just kind of listen through. The Kendrick Lamar, I’m like, I don’t know, this one’s not for me, oh, this one’s better,

[00:49:26] Chuck Carpenter: and

[00:49:27] Robbie Wagner: It’s like when you have the fucking like movies that win oscars and shit and they’re like the worst fucking movie you’ve ever seen

[00:49:33] Robbie Wagner: It’s like because they’re artsy. It’s not because it’s actually

[00:49:36] Robbie Wagner: good. It’s

[00:49:37] Robbie Wagner: like

[00:49:38] Ken Wheeler: one was admittedly less artsy. Like, he’s actually saying

[00:49:40] Ken Wheeler: a

[00:49:40] Ken Wheeler: little bit of shit on this one. And the beats were very good.

[00:49:43] Ken Wheeler: You know, and it’s a weird kind of West Coast, like, fucking proto hyphy thing going

[00:49:47] Chuck Carpenter: but it also has like a very like kind of like chill vibe to some of it. There’s a lot of piano. There’s a lot of like, yeah.

[00:49:53] Ken Wheeler: It’s good. It’s not for me.

[00:49:57] Chuck Carpenter: There you

[00:49:57] Chuck Carpenter: go.

[00:49:58] Ken Wheeler: If you want to know like what I listen to, [00:50:00] like what I love is Lil

[00:50:02] Chuck Carpenter: Love. Lil

[00:50:03] Chuck Carpenter: Wayne?

[00:50:04] Ken Wheeler: So much like that’s my shit.

[00:50:06] Chuck Carpenter: Huh.

[00:50:07] Ken Wheeler: Shit like that like those beats and you know him saying shit like that’s the kind of rap that I like

[00:50:13] Ken Wheeler: lowbrow highbrow.

[00:50:14] Chuck Carpenter: So more like Dirty South kind

[00:50:16] Chuck Carpenter: of.

[00:50:16] Ken Wheeler: She get on that shit and stay on

[00:50:18] Ken Wheeler: all night like porch

[00:50:19] Ken Wheeler: lights like what the fuck

[00:50:21] Chuck Carpenter: ha.

[00:50:23] Chris Power: I used to love, I loved. Rap when I was like probably too young to really like it. You know what I mean? Like I love like Wu Tang Clan

[00:50:31] Chris Power: and like Jay Z.

[00:50:33] Chris Power: Um, Oh, yeah. do

[00:50:34] Chris Power: all that stuff when I was like 12, 11, 12 or whatever. , oh

[00:50:38] Chuck Carpenter: Ooh.

[00:50:38] Chris Power: just go out?

[00:50:39] Chuck Carpenter: No signal. That’s

[00:50:44] Chris Power: Anyway.

[00:50:45] Chuck Carpenter: ha

[00:50:45] Chris Power: You guys You can keep

[00:50:46] Ken Wheeler: And now what do you listen to fucking coldplay?

[00:50:49] Chris Power: Yes.

[00:50:49] Chuck Carpenter: Ha Ha ha

[00:50:50] Robbie Wagner: Do do

[00:50:51] Robbie Wagner: do do

[00:50:51] Robbie Wagner: do

[00:50:51] Robbie Wagner: do

[00:50:51] Robbie Wagner: do do do do No, when I, when I went to college, right? Freshman year was the year that, um, Take This to Your Grave by Fall Out Boy came out.[00:51:00]

[00:51:01] Chris Power: Straight up emo, then

[00:51:04] Chris Power: metal.

[00:51:04] Ken Wheeler: I’m not gonna pretend that I didn’t like I fucking love them. Do you panic at the disco?

[00:51:08] Chris Power: Oh yeah, dude, that

[00:51:08] Chris Power: first

[00:51:09] Ken Wheeler: sweat out is one of the best albums ever made in human

[00:51:11] Chris Power: So

[00:51:12] Chris Power: good. So good.

[00:51:13] Chuck Carpenter: Amazing.

[00:51:14] Ken Wheeler: fucking unreal

[00:51:16] Chris Power: Yeah, lately not so good, but like , back in the day? Hell yeah, dude. That was my

[00:51:20] Chris Power: thing. My first, the first concert I ever saw was My Chemical Romance opened for,

[00:51:25] Chris Power: Oh my god, I’m forgetting the name of the band now. Shit.

[00:51:29] Chris Power: The Used. The

[00:51:30] Chris Power: Used.

[00:51:30] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, I might’ve seen that tour,

[00:51:32] Chuck Carpenter: but it

[00:51:33] Ken Wheeler: Type, are you not

[00:51:33] Chuck Carpenter: concert. I, I, I,

[00:51:35] Chuck Carpenter: know

[00:51:36] Ken Wheeler: You’re like early 30s, huh?

[00:51:37] Chris Power: No, I’m, uh, I’m turning 40 this year.

[00:51:40] Ken Wheeler: And your first, your first fucking concert was My Chemical Romance?

[00:51:43] Chris Power: Yeah, I didn’t, I didn’t go to a

[00:51:45] Chris Power: lot of concerts when I was younger.

[00:51:47] Ken Wheeler: 40 in May, my first concert was like fucking No Doubt or something.

[00:51:50] Chuck Carpenter: oh, so

[00:51:51] Chris Power: all the cool kids went to that concert. I wasn’t invited.

[00:51:54] Ken Wheeler: Don’t speak, I,

[00:51:55] Ken Wheeler: know it’s

[00:51:56] Chuck Carpenter: and my first concert was MC [00:52:00] Hammer

[00:52:00] Chuck Carpenter: with,

[00:52:01] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, who opened? Vanilla Ice.

[00:52:03] Chuck Carpenter: No,

[00:52:04] Ken Wheeler: Wow, that’s awesome!

[00:52:06] Chris Power: ice.

[00:52:06] Chuck Carpenter: My second concert, like a year and a half later, was Public, nope, Public

[00:52:12] Chris Power: Imposter.

[00:52:13] Ken Wheeler: dibbity dibbity well, a cheeky boo boo

[00:52:15] Chuck Carpenter: Boys opened, the Ghetto Boys opened for Public Enemy. So it was a very different setup.

[00:52:21] Chuck Carpenter: I will say I was an anomaly at that concert, but I had a great time. So, uh, and I was 13 at that one. And then I went to a bunch of punk rock

[00:52:29] Chuck Carpenter: shows

[00:52:29] Ken Wheeler: So that Asbury Park place I was telling you about before?

[00:52:32] Ken Wheeler: That’s where they used to have the Warped Tour.

[00:52:34] Ken Wheeler: So we were like very, very young children and we’d go to that and my parent, my

[00:52:38] Ken Wheeler: dad would throw me up to crowd surf.

[00:52:41] Chuck Carpenter: Oh, nice.

[00:52:42] Ken Wheeler: like Deftones or some shit.

[00:52:43] Chuck Carpenter: I went to that Public Enemy show, at 13 by myself. Well, with a friend. Me and him.

[00:52:49] Ken Wheeler: Just schwag and chain wallets and shit.

[00:52:51] Chuck Carpenter: , no, we had puffy starter coats. We had puffy

[00:52:54] Chuck Carpenter: starter coats.

[00:52:55] Ken Wheeler: jackets were the

[00:52:56] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, so. Whoa,

[00:52:58] Ken Wheeler: was your starter [00:53:00] jacket?

[00:53:00] Chris Power: We’re back.

[00:53:01] Chuck Carpenter: , I think it was like Raiders

[00:53:02] Chuck Carpenter: or some

[00:53:02] Ken Wheeler: I had a 49er starter jacket. It

[00:53:04] Chuck Carpenter: nice. I lived in Cincinnati, and I like picked the Raiders or some shit, just cause,

[00:53:10] Chuck Carpenter: I think at the time, that’s what I saw on the TV, so. Yeah, I was like a skater kid, and then I played soccer,

[00:53:15] Chuck Carpenter: and then there was.

[00:53:17] Ken Wheeler: I’ll see you

[00:53:18] Chris Power: She said she said see you later boy.

[00:53:20] Chuck Carpenter: Canadian. Fuck her. I don’t care.

[00:53:22] Ken Wheeler: I would.

[00:53:23] Chuck Carpenter: I wasn’t into that one though. Whoa!

[00:53:25] Chris Power: would would

[00:53:27] Chris Power: would

[00:53:28] Ken Wheeler: I don’t know about top fucking five. I mean, would is a broad fucking

[00:53:30] Ken Wheeler: statement.

[00:53:31] Chuck Carpenter: That’s true.

[00:53:32] Chris Power: yeah, what you would is kind of a lot is yeah

[00:53:35] Ken Wheeler: we start talking top five.

[00:53:36] Ken Wheeler: I

[00:53:36] Ken Wheeler: mean,

[00:53:36] Chris Power: Dude, Avril Lavigne. I mean you kidding me right now, dude

[00:53:39] Chuck Carpenter: What’s

[00:53:40] Chris Power: day back in the day I

[00:53:41] Ken Wheeler: Even better.

[00:53:42] Ken Wheeler: Even

[00:53:42] Chris Power: matter.

[00:53:43] Chuck Carpenter: Really? I don’t know. Like, she’s one of those like very petite girls.

[00:53:47] Chuck Carpenter: Like,

[00:53:47] Ken Wheeler: she grew a fatty, bro. I’m telling you, look it up. Look it up.

[00:53:50] Chris Power: movies when you guys were kids. Yeah, look up when you guys were kids Hottest like who’d you have like who’s the hottest

[00:53:56] Chris Power: girl to you? Mine

[00:53:57] Chris Power: was uh,

[00:53:58] Ken Wheeler: Buffy, the vampire

[00:53:59] Ken Wheeler: slayer

[00:53:59] Chris Power: [00:54:00] Jennifer Love Hewitt.

[00:54:01] Chuck Carpenter: Uh, I also liked Jennifer

[00:54:02] Ken Wheeler: and can

[00:54:03] Ken Wheeler: hardly wait.

[00:54:04] Chris Power: Oh my god, dude.

[00:54:05] Chuck Carpenter: Oh my god, I, I mean even Party of Five in the later

[00:54:08] Ken Wheeler: I

[00:54:08] Ken Wheeler: was Seth Green in that movie. Oh, what a good movie. That was,

[00:54:19] Chuck Carpenter: I mean she, and, and she had other shows that like kept her in the

[00:54:23] Chuck Carpenter: list

[00:54:24] Ken Wheeler: you don’t really see much of her anymore.

[00:54:25] Chuck Carpenter: I

[00:54:26] Chuck Carpenter: mean. You know,

[00:54:27] Chuck Carpenter: child stars.

[00:54:28] Chuck Carpenter: I don’t know.

[00:54:28] Chris Power: oh Yeah.

[00:54:29] Chris Power: dude.

[00:54:29] Ken Wheeler: you know, I was, I was really a big fan of Joey, Lauren Adams.

[00:54:33] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, I remember her. Mallrats and, Chasing Amy or something. yeah. yeah. I don’t know what happened to her.

[00:54:40] Ken Wheeler: She’s

[00:54:40] Chuck Carpenter: There’s a lot of these, like Yeah? What’s the last movie or show you saw her in? Yeah,

[00:54:46] Chuck Carpenter: see? I seriously, like, Chasing Amy feels like the last one for me.

[00:54:51] Ken Wheeler: No, there’s probably something with Sandler.

[00:54:52] Chuck Carpenter: Were they friends or something? Like

[00:54:57] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, she was in Big Daddy.

[00:54:59] Chuck Carpenter: [00:55:00] Oh, yeah, that, yeah,

[00:55:01] Chuck Carpenter: okay. So there you go. That was a good one.

[00:55:04] Chris Power: wait, what

[00:55:04] Chris Power: was

[00:55:05] Ken Wheeler: I could wipe my own ass.

[00:55:06] Chuck Carpenter: Big Daddy.

[00:55:07] Chris Power: No. What was her name? I

[00:55:09] Ken Wheeler: Joey Lauren

[00:55:10] Chris Power: I love the movie.

[00:55:12] Ken Wheeler: She was like that dude’s wife or whatever.

[00:55:14] Chuck Carpenter: That’s very helpful

[00:55:15] Chuck Carpenter: and

[00:55:16] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, that dude’s

[00:55:17] Chris Power: Yes. No. Hey, I’m totally

[00:55:18] Chris Power: on board with Joey Lauren Adams. Yep.

[00:55:20] Chris Power: A hundred percent. Yep. count

[00:55:21] Chuck Carpenter: that. Yeah. Late 90s, early 2000s

[00:55:25] Ken Wheeler: Can I, Can I, just, can I just end all debate over childhood wood lists?

[00:55:31] Chris Power: Yep. Let’s go.

[00:55:32] Chuck Carpenter: Childhood. How far does this go? Because for me, Joey

[00:55:36] Chuck Carpenter: Lauren

[00:55:36] Ken Wheeler: Topanga, god damn

[00:55:38] Chuck Carpenter: Uh,

[00:55:40] Chris Power: yes.

[00:55:41] Chris Power: Topanga

[00:55:42] Ken Wheeler: Yo, I’d give Topanga my fucking checking account number, bro.

[00:55:46] Chuck Carpenter: you know what? Topanga, Topanga is the, uh, Winnie Cooper for you guys.

[00:55:52] Chris Power: Winnie Cooper. Okay.

[00:55:53] Ken Wheeler: I

[00:55:54] Ken Wheeler: don’t even know what the fuck that

[00:55:55] Chris Power: I get that. Yeah.

[00:55:55] Chuck Carpenter: Exactly. That’s how old, that’s how young you are, boy.[00:56:00]

[00:56:00] Ken Wheeler: Topanga? What about Clare Shay explains it all?

[00:56:02] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. No, I mean. I, I, I feel ya. Topanga.

[00:56:06] Robbie Wagner: God,

[00:56:08] Chris Power: No, dude. Tupanga.

[00:56:08] Chris Power: Yes. A hundred percent.

[00:56:09] Chuck Carpenter: conversation A little bit on that.

[00:56:11] Chuck Carpenter: Yes,

[00:56:11] Chuck Carpenter: yes. Yeah. I was gonna say, and now, once you once you get post childhood, let’s say in college, Monica Bellucci. Come on. She Yeah, like college age, Monica Bellucci would have been like the, Oh. My. Gosh. She

[00:56:29] Ken Wheeler: Keys.

[00:56:31] Chuck Carpenter: Well, yeah, probably still.

[00:56:32] Chuck Carpenter: I mean, a

[00:56:33] Chuck Carpenter: woman who has that much artistic talent and, like, the singing voice, that, that

[00:56:39] Chuck Carpenter: definitely,

[00:56:40] Chuck Carpenter: that

[00:56:40] Chuck Carpenter: adds. I know

[00:56:42] Chuck Carpenter: I’m just saying it adds a

[00:56:43] Chuck Carpenter: little

[00:56:43] Ken Wheeler: yeah, if we go back to that era, probably like Eva Longoria as well.

[00:56:47] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, that was the best housewife, I’m gonna say. I met, Terry Hatcher in real life, like, uh, in the mid 2000s at Sundance.

[00:56:56] Chuck Carpenter: I used to have a friend who lived in Salt Lake. He’s an air traffic controller, [00:57:00] and I would go up there every winter to do Sundance and go snowboarding and all that stuff, and you run into celebrities all over the place. She was a very, also a very tiny woman and very orange, so it was like,

[00:57:12] Chuck Carpenter: yes,

[00:57:12] Chuck Carpenter: uh, Eva Longoria. That wasn’t Eva

[00:57:15] Ken Wheeler: I met Ghostface on a plane once. It was crazy.

[00:57:17] Chuck Carpenter: Nice.

[00:57:19] Ken Wheeler: I’m hanging out. Yeah, I’m

[00:57:20] Ken Wheeler: in Warsaw, Poland.

[00:57:21] Ken Wheeler: And I fucking, , I’m like, I know this motherfucker. I’m around, like, I’m in, like, line. We were both in, like, fucking, like, first class, but not lay down. Whatever the fuck that is internationally.

[00:57:32] Chuck Carpenter: It’s business.

[00:57:32] Chuck Carpenter: International

[00:57:33] Chuck Carpenter: business.

[00:57:33] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[00:57:34] Ken Wheeler: so like, I’m sitting there, I’m looking at him,

[00:57:35] Chuck Carpenter: first.

[00:57:36] Ken Wheeler: I know this motherfucker, I don’t know. And then he went and scanned his ticket in front of me, and it had his actual name, in

[00:57:42] Ken Wheeler: like

[00:57:42] Ken Wheeler: the

[00:57:42] Chris Power: face. His is his

[00:57:44] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:57:44] Ken Wheeler: had his real name. And I’m like, I’m like, oh, no,

[00:57:48] Chris Power: Mr. Killer. Your seat’s over here.

[00:57:50] Ken Wheeler: And I, I walked over to him.

[00:57:51] Ken Wheeler: I’m like, I’m like, pretty Tony. Could it be? He’s like, uh, so like, there’s like these like Midwestern moms, [00:58:00] like, like all around us. They’re like, they’re like, whoa, what’s going on? Is he famous or something?

[00:58:03] Ken Wheeler: like,

[00:58:04] Chuck Carpenter: you’re like, no. No, I just know

[00:58:06] Chuck Carpenter: him from back in the

[00:58:06] Chuck Carpenter: day.

[00:58:07] Ken Wheeler: I’m Like, ah, that’s my dog. They’re like, are you famous? He’s like, he’s like, ah. But it was cool, man. He was like, cool. They traveled it up for like five, 10 minutes

[00:58:14] Chuck Carpenter: Did you watch the Hulu, show

[00:58:17] Chuck Carpenter: on

[00:58:17] Ken Wheeler: on Wu-Tang. No, I

[00:58:18] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. I liked it. I thought it was really

[00:58:20] Chuck Carpenter: good.

[00:58:21] Chuck Carpenter: Yes. Would recommend. So I’d watch

[00:58:23] Ken Wheeler: I met him and Rizza.

[00:58:25] Chuck Carpenter: Ooh. Rakeem, you mean?

[00:58:28] Ken Wheeler: Robert fucking digs.

[00:58:29] Chuck Carpenter: Well, did you know that, , he had a record deal before Wu Tang? And it was like a one off, like Prince

[00:58:35] Chuck Carpenter: Rakeem. We love you, Rakeem!

[00:58:38] Ken Wheeler: Do you know? Do you know what Grave Dig is?

[00:58:41] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, I

[00:58:41] Ken Wheeler: Yeah. Bang yo head bang yo.

[00:58:48] Chuck Carpenter: Robbie’s like, I got nothing.

[00:58:49] Chuck Carpenter: I

[00:58:49] Chris Power: I’m out of my

[00:58:50] Ken Wheeler: You guys didn’t listen to any shit? Nah. Okay,

[00:58:52] Chris Power: know, I loved, I mean, I loved Wu Tang as a kid. But,

[00:58:54] Chris Power: Yeah.

[00:58:55] Chris Power: I don’t know the, I don’t know the, pre, I don’t know the pre history

[00:58:58] Ken Wheeler: Admittedly, B two. I forgot about that. [00:59:00] That was crazy.

[00:59:01] Chuck Carpenter: They just released, some, uh Air Force Ones or something? I don’t know. They did another, like, special Nike Wu Tang release. And I was like, I, what? I’m never gonna wear these. What? Who am I? No.

[00:59:13] Ken Wheeler: I

[00:59:13] Ken Wheeler: wear these.

[00:59:14] Chris Power: So you met, you met Ghostface, Thriza, and ODB.

[00:59:18] Ken Wheeler: Yes.

[00:59:19] Chris Power: That’s a lot of, that’s a lot of

[00:59:21] Chris Power: people to meet

[00:59:22] Chris Power: in one group. That’s a lot of

[00:59:23] Chris Power: Tang.

[00:59:23] Chuck Carpenter: Brooklyn Zoo.

[00:59:28] Ken Wheeler: I used to be a record producer, so it’s, you know, it’s not like random. Ghostface was random.

[00:59:33] Chris Power: Yeah.

[00:59:34] Chris Power: yeah,

[00:59:34] Ken Wheeler: the

[00:59:35] Ken Wheeler: other two, I met RZA at a producer conference, and I met ODB walking out of Sony Music, so. Kanye. Hmm?

[00:59:44] Chuck Carpenter: celebrity hip hop artist that you met in that way? Oh, back in the day I can see where like, that would be amazing.

[00:59:53] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[00:59:54] Robbie Wagner: you saying that he’s not great today?

[00:59:56] Chris Power: Yeah. Is this recent Kanye or

[00:59:58] Ken Wheeler: No, this was, so when I met [01:00:00] Kanye, , it was when his first album was coming out.

[01:00:02] Chris Power: College Dropout?

[01:00:03] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, but he had, uh, him. And John Legend, we’re sitting there at this beat battle,

[01:00:11] Ken Wheeler: playing some song, and they did Gold Digger and shit. It was

[01:00:14] Ken Wheeler: crazy. But this was before the first album even came out.

[01:00:18] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[01:00:18] Ken Wheeler: So you had like heard about him.

[01:00:20] Ken Wheeler: You’re like, oh, there’s this new dude. And then like at the time, right, you have to understand like, like at the time, right, like New York was fabulous and 50 Cent.

[01:00:28] Ken Wheeler: Alright, so everyone was really, really in hard on this gangster shit.

[01:00:32] Ken Wheeler: And Kanye was regarded as a backpacker, as like, fuckin like, uh, art hip hop. So, it was like, you know, you liked him and this shit was sick, right? And then like, through the wire came out and you’re like, oh my god, the fuckin sample is like If you liked underground hip hop, right, you would like, you’d be like, oh man, this is fuckin crazy. But, at the same time Yo, you weren’t bumpin this shit.

[01:00:52] Chuck Carpenter: Right.

[01:00:52] Ken Wheeler: You were bumpin fuckin G Unit.

[01:00:54] Ken Wheeler: We bumped G Unit so fuckin hard.

[01:00:56] Robbie Wagner: I like some G Unit.

[01:00:58] Chris Power: Then Kanye took [01:01:00] over?

[01:01:00] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, then he did. And then pre G Unit, I remember it was fuckin I was just talking to somebody about this the other day, this girl that we used to party with. She was like, oh yeah, fuckin And I was like, aw man, do you remember like we would just sit there in this basement with like skunked fuckin Miller Lights it would be like, like Nelly and like we all like played football, we’d be in these champion hoodies and wearing like rubber bands as bracelets and it would be like Nelly, it was fuckin awesome.

[01:01:23] Chris Power: Did he have a bandaid on his face?

[01:01:24] Ken Wheeler: Hell yeah.

[01:01:25] Robbie Wagner: Yeah, always.

[01:01:27] Chris Power: He

[01:01:27] Chuck Carpenter: always

[01:01:27] Chuck Carpenter: injured. I don’t know what his problem is, you

[01:01:30] Chuck Carpenter: know

[01:01:30] Ken Wheeler: I don’t know why you, it was just cool,

[01:01:33] Ken Wheeler: you

[01:01:33] Ken Wheeler: know, it was like, it was like football practice music, right? Like

[01:01:36] Chris Power: Mm-hmm

[01:01:38] Ken Wheeler: shit.

[01:01:38] Chris Power: Mm-hmm .Oh, yeah.

[01:01:39] Ken Wheeler: E and

[01:01:44] Ken Wheeler: then I, I think it

[01:01:45] Chuck Carpenter: do you mean? Not a proper football. That’s why they

[01:01:48] Chuck Carpenter: tried to kick you out of London.

[01:01:49] Ken Wheeler: Yeah. No, no real actual football, not fucking soccer.

[01:01:52] Chuck Carpenter: game. Eggball game.

[01:01:53] Ken Wheeler: Yeah. But do you guys remember any given Sunday.

[01:01:57] Chris Power: Hell yeah.

[01:01:57] Ken Wheeler: My name is Willie. Willie [01:02:00] Beeman. I got the ladies. Yo, that was like such a cultural fucking landmark at the time. Imagine just playing like high school football. You and the boys and then even Sunday comes out and you’re like,

[01:02:13] Chris Power: Holy shit, that’s totally us.

[01:02:15] Ken Wheeler: right? Yeah. You’re like, yo, Willie Beeman. You just get amped and shit. I remember when I was a little kid, Mighty Ducks came out and we played roller hockey for like fucking three years because of

[01:02:24] Chuck Carpenter: yeah, yeah, you get inspired, right? Yeah, I played

[01:02:26] Chuck Carpenter: a

[01:02:26] Chuck Carpenter: bunch

[01:02:27] Ken Wheeler: Don’t act like you

[01:02:27] Chuck Carpenter: actually. I know, I know, but I do love what I think is very funny is that you looked at this group and you were like, you know, when you played high school football.

[01:02:38] Chris Power: Actually, I

[01:02:38] Chris Power: played high school football.

[01:02:39] Robbie Wagner: I should have.

[01:02:41] Robbie Wagner: I, used to

[01:02:41] Ken Wheeler: You didn’t play high school football? What were you doing?

[01:02:45] Chuck Carpenter: What was I doing? I

[01:02:47] Ken Wheeler: no, no, not you. I know you weren’t playing football.

[01:02:49] Robbie Wagner: uh I

[01:02:50] Chuck Carpenter: I was actually playing the popular sports at my

[01:02:53] Chuck Carpenter: school,

[01:02:54] Chuck Carpenter: which were basketball and soccer. , the nerds played football. I don’t know why. It was a weird dichotomy. I [01:03:00] will

[01:03:00] Chuck Carpenter: admit,

[01:03:00] Ken Wheeler: was for dudes under 5’8 that fuckin like, wore,

[01:03:04] Chuck Carpenter: What are you trying to say? What are you

[01:03:05] Chris Power: How dare You How dare you? First of all, how dare you? No, but, um,

[01:03:09] Chuck Carpenter: It’s for the, for the guys with a beautiful face that can’t be broken. Heh,

[01:03:14] Chris Power: locker room in high school was dominated. Dominated by creed.

[01:03:19] Ken Wheeler: Really?

[01:03:20] Robbie Wagner: Hmm I

[01:03:21] Chuck Carpenter: With arms wide open.

[01:03:23] Ken Wheeler: The locker room

[01:03:23] Ken Wheeler: was

[01:03:23] Chris Power: It wasn’t, it wasn’t Arms Wide Open Creed. It was like, uh, I was like, what if I, what if, what if it was that

[01:03:30] Ken Wheeler: You guys

[01:03:31] Ken Wheeler: will never guess what position I played.

[01:03:33] Chris Power: Quarterback.

[01:03:34] Chuck Carpenter: wide

[01:03:35] Chris Power: Oh, I

[01:03:36] Ken Wheeler: Wide receiver!

[01:03:37] Chris Power: Why?

[01:03:38] Chuck Carpenter: You know why?

[01:03:39] Ken Wheeler: Why?

[01:03:40] Chuck Carpenter: penis.

[01:03:40] Chuck Carpenter: you

[01:03:45] Ken Wheeler: a football coach needs to be to make me a wide receiver? They’re like, you’re like 5’10 and a half, slow, big shoulders, get out there and catch that ball.

[01:03:57] Chuck Carpenter: you. We listened to Nine Inch Nails getting [01:04:00] ready for

[01:04:00] Chuck Carpenter: games.

[01:04:00] Chris Power: that’s good. Yeah.

[01:04:01] Chuck Carpenter: was a good one, Especially, like, that second album with, like, the burning behind the

[01:04:06] Chuck Carpenter: N.

[01:04:07] Ken Wheeler: wanna fuck you like an animal.

[01:04:09] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[01:04:10] Chuck Carpenter: no. no. That’s the third

[01:04:11] Chuck Carpenter: album.

[01:04:12] Chuck Carpenter: Uh, this, yeah. The second. So, it was Pretty Hate Machine, and then there was the second one,

[01:04:16] Chuck Carpenter: which

[01:04:16] Ken Wheeler: PrettyHateMachine is masterful.

[01:04:18] Chuck Carpenter: They’re all good.

[01:04:19] Chuck Carpenter: There’s nothing I’ve seen

[01:04:21] Ken Wheeler: his later shit, did you hear the shit that he’s doing, his experimental fucking soundtrack shit?

[01:04:25] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, the soundtrack work he does with like Atticus whatever is incredible, like the Watchmen stuff and all that. Yeah, no, I

[01:04:32] Ken Wheeler: Yeah, Trump, Reznor, Fox

[01:04:33] Chuck Carpenter: it. Yeah, he does. He’s still jacked as fuck too. He’s like all straight edge and just fucking, he’s like kind of the

[01:04:42] Chuck Carpenter: Glenn

[01:04:42] Ken Wheeler: prince of

[01:04:43] Ken Wheeler: darkness giga chatting at all

[01:04:44] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[01:04:47] Chris Power: Total giga chad.

[01:04:49] Robbie Wagner: so we are pretty over time here, but before we’re done I do want to talk a little bit of thanksgiving

[01:04:55] Robbie Wagner: who’s eating some corn? We were we were pretty into corn last time we chatted [01:05:00] typecraft.

[01:05:00] Robbie Wagner: How are

[01:05:00] Chuck Carpenter: Cone. it?

[01:05:01] Chuck Carpenter: It’s got the juice.

[01:05:03] Chris Power: Corn’s meaningless. Everyone knows it. It doesn’t do anything for you. I’ll be eating tons of it.

[01:05:08] Chris Power: you know, it’ll

[01:05:08] Ken Wheeler: Have you pieces of shit ever eaten Jersey corn?

[01:05:11] Chuck Carpenter: No. Where’s my

[01:05:12] Chuck Carpenter: Jersey

[01:05:13] Ken Wheeler: Have you ever eaten

[01:05:13] Ken Wheeler: Jersey corn?

[01:05:14] Robbie Wagner: corn?

[01:05:14] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[01:05:15] Ken Wheeler: New Jersey corn is fucking second to none.

[01:05:18] Chris Power: It’s corn, but like a little polluted. No,

[01:05:26] Ken Wheeler: Factory. Um,

[01:05:29] Chuck Carpenter: uh.

[01:05:31] Chris Power: I’ll be enjoying the corn?

[01:05:33] Chris Power: On the cob, off the cob, creamed corn, creamed,

[01:05:36] Ken Wheeler: Wait, you have corn on the cob on fucking Thanksgiving?

[01:05:39] Chris Power: yeah, yeah, mm hmm.

[01:05:41] Chuck Carpenter: Hmm.

[01:05:41] Ken Wheeler: Which one of you guys is frying the turkey? I know one of you is.

[01:05:44] Chris Power: I am not.

[01:05:45] Chuck Carpenter: I’m not.

[01:05:46] Ken Wheeler: not.

[01:05:46] Ken Wheeler: a

[01:05:46] Chris Power: We fried a turkey once at a, uh, tailgate. And my friend lost the, uh, the hook. Like it’s like a metal

[01:05:52] Chris Power: hook and you have that deep

[01:05:54] Chris Power: thing.

[01:05:54] Chris Power: And so like, he just picked it up with his pinky and like, try to drop it in. They got splashed with

[01:05:59] Chris Power: the, uh, the [01:06:00] oil. He dumped it the whole thing caught on fire.

[01:06:03] Chris Power: So

[01:06:03] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[01:06:04] Chris Power: with frying

[01:06:04] Chris Power: turkeys.

[01:06:05] Chuck Carpenter: don’t Do it.

[01:06:05] Ken Wheeler: Do you know what I’m doing this year?

[01:06:08] Chris Power: You’re

[01:06:08] Chris Power: frying a turkey.

[01:06:08] Chris Power: Ooh, spatchcock. That’s my

[01:06:12] Ken Wheeler: wrong,

[01:06:13] Ken Wheeler: wrong.

[01:06:13] Ken Wheeler: wrong.

[01:06:14] Chuck Carpenter: turducken.

[01:06:15] Ken Wheeler: Turducken.

[01:06:16] Chuck Carpenter: Yes. I was gonna say, if I had any second guess,

[01:06:19] Chuck Carpenter: it’s

[01:06:19] Ken Wheeler: Ooh, the turducken came today.

[01:06:22] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. I’ve had those. They are, they’re, they’re interesting. They’re

[01:06:24] Chuck Carpenter: good.

[01:06:25] Ken Wheeler: Man, that is a lope of splendor right there, boy. I’m gonna

[01:06:28] Chuck Carpenter: They’re like a prime rib. I want to enjoy it. I do not want to make or cook it or do anything else

[01:06:34] Chuck Carpenter: with it.

[01:06:35] Ken Wheeler: It’s fuckin heat and eat, man. I’m just gonna put it in a fuckin oven for like five minutes. Do you know what? Like, fuckin I made a McRib from scratch today. Yesterday I made coconut curry salmon. This fuckin turducken, I’m just gonna throw it in the oven for

[01:06:47] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, yeah,

[01:06:48] Chuck Carpenter: Turducken’s

[01:06:48] Chris Power: thing. Mm hmm

[01:06:50] Chuck Carpenter: I know now. what I know.

[01:06:53] Ken Wheeler: Turducken, what’s the favorite Thanksgiving sides here?

[01:06:56] Chuck Carpenter: Hmm.

[01:06:57] Chris Power: sweet. I’m a sweet potato guy. Yeah, I’m sweet

[01:06:59] Ken Wheeler: [01:07:00] With marshmallows, I

[01:07:00] Chris Power: that Love that shit.

[01:07:02] Chuck Carpenter: the right, like, sweet potato

[01:07:04] Chuck Carpenter: casserole

[01:07:04] Chuck Carpenter: for sure.

[01:07:05] Chris Power: all of Thanksgiving

[01:07:07] Chris Power: my mom is um Very Italian mother. She makes an amazing Thanksgiving Stuffing that is actually stuffed in. The bird comes out, it’s got sausage.

[01:07:18] Chris Power: It’s like got the, uh, all the good stuff to it. It’s, it’s amazing.

[01:07:22] Ken Wheeler: You’re a wop too?

[01:07:24] Chris Power: Hell yeah, dude. Total wp.

[01:07:25] Ken Wheeler: Fish?

[01:07:27] Chris Power: Uh, We don’t do

[01:07:27] Ken Wheeler: crisp, no, no, no, Christmas

[01:07:29] Chris Power: The Feast of the Seven Fishes, we don’t do that.

[01:07:32] Chris Power: We’re not that ish. But the

[01:07:34] Ken Wheeler: My mom and grandmother do, but fucking, my wife’s all Scandinavian and shit, so we don’t do that.

[01:07:39]

[01:07:41] Chris Power: It’s a, it’s a fge. A Fugazi

[01:07:46] Ken Wheeler: What are you gonna do?

[01:07:48] Ken Wheeler: As much as I appreciate cranberry sauce in the can,

[01:07:51] Chuck Carpenter: I like

[01:07:51] Chuck Carpenter: it

[01:07:52] Ken Wheeler: that whole berry sauce, I think that’s my favorite side. I just sit there and eat spoonfuls of the shit.

[01:07:56] Chuck Carpenter: I love it for the leftovers. I want it out of the can, and I want it part [01:08:00] of like the leftover

[01:08:01] Ken Wheeler: You, you know when people do the green beans, but they do that shit with some other shit and some breadcrumbs and

[01:08:05] Chuck Carpenter: It’s, yeah, it’s called green bean casserole and it’s amazing. So you need the crispy

[01:08:09] Chuck Carpenter: onions, it’s mixed, yeah, it’s like green

[01:08:13] Ken Wheeler: Did you do the onions in the fucking milk water?

[01:08:15] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[01:08:16] Chuck Carpenter: It’s a cream of mushroom soup and,

[01:08:19] Chris Power: Yep. And the Vidalia the Vidalia onions

[01:08:22] Ken Wheeler: Cream of mushroom soup is incredibly versatile.

[01:08:24] Robbie Wagner: Yeah,

[01:08:25] Robbie Wagner: my wife actually made a green bean casserole from scratch and like we didn’t

[01:08:30] Robbie Wagner: understand what was happening. With all the ingredients, right? It’s like buy mushrooms buy heavy cream all this shit You spend like an hour and you made cream of mushroom soup. I’m like, what the fuck we could have just started with

[01:08:41] Robbie Wagner: the soup like

[01:08:42] Chuck Carpenter: you

[01:08:42] Chuck Carpenter: could’ve. That’s what America does. there’s nothing more American than like having canned things and ending up with some kind of casserole.

[01:08:51] Chuck Carpenter: That’s

[01:08:51] Chuck Carpenter: what I say.

[01:08:52] Chris Power: hell yeah

[01:08:53] Robbie Wagner: it’s good

[01:08:54] Ken Wheeler: It’s delightful.

[01:08:56] Chuck Carpenter: It’s calm.

[01:08:57] Ken Wheeler: I’m gonna Just be so fucked [01:09:00] up. It’s gonna be good

[01:09:01] Chuck Carpenter: Unlike now, how much of that bottle have you finished? I’m very disappointed if it’s not at least half.

[01:09:07] Chuck Carpenter: Fuck half right now. Because I’ve actually had I think like a fourth of this bottle.

[01:09:15] Robbie Wagner: yeah

[01:09:15] Chuck Carpenter: I didn’t come here to fuck

[01:09:16] Chuck Carpenter: around.

[01:09:17] Robbie Wagner: Listen, I’ve had three smearing off ices. I

[01:09:21] Chris Power: Wow, so you have diabetes now, this is pretty good

[01:09:25] Robbie Wagner: I might’ve before, but, uh, let’s

[01:09:28] Chuck Carpenter: I have, I have cancer.

[01:09:30] Ken Wheeler: I’ve probably had diabetes for a while now, but i’m not going to the doctor to confirm it

[01:09:34] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah,

[01:09:34] Chuck Carpenter: neither confirm or

[01:09:36] Robbie Wagner: I don’t have time to go to the doctor. Fuck that.

[01:09:38] Ken Wheeler: I actually have to I actually have to go to the doctor chuck it roll, right?

[01:09:43] Chuck Carpenter: You’re right.

[01:09:44] Chuck Carpenter: How

[01:09:44] Chuck Carpenter: old am I? Kenneth, how old

[01:09:46] Chuck Carpenter: am

[01:09:46] Chuck Carpenter: I?

[01:09:47] Ken Wheeler: how are you you’re over 40 you’re like 43 44

[01:09:50] Chuck Carpenter: Hmm,

[01:09:51] Chuck Carpenter: that’s a young man’s game, bro.

[01:09:53] Robbie Wagner: 67

[01:09:54] Ken Wheeler: over 45?

[01:09:55] Chuck Carpenter: I am over 45.

[01:09:57] Ken Wheeler: No. What’s your secret?

[01:09:59] Chris Power: Hey, you [01:10:00] don’t look, you do not look

[01:10:00] Chris Power: over

[01:10:00] Chris Power: 45.

[01:10:01] Chuck Carpenter: Fermentation

[01:10:02] Robbie Wagner: Genetics. I think.

[01:10:03] Ken Wheeler: I mean, I know that you’re old, but I don’t, I fucking don’t know how old you are.

[01:10:07] Chuck Carpenter: you saw me you’d be like that’s some young shit

[01:10:11] Chris Power: that’s

[01:10:11] Ken Wheeler: Like, you don’t

[01:10:12] Chris Power: shit!

[01:10:13] Ken Wheeler: I look like fucking the diabetes guy, like,

[01:10:16] Ken Wheeler: and I’m fucking

[01:10:17] Chris Power: concert was? What’d you say your first concert was again?

[01:10:20] Chuck Carpenter: MC Hammer,

[01:10:21] Chuck Carpenter: I was 11. I was 11

[01:10:24] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, 47.

[01:10:25] Chuck Carpenter: That’s right. did Robbie send you

[01:10:28] Ken Wheeler: No, he

[01:10:29] Chuck Carpenter: Okay.

[01:10:30] Ken Wheeler: 47 years old.

[01:10:31] Chuck Carpenter: 47 years old.

[01:10:33] Ken Wheeler: What were we talking about where I was even bringing up your age?

[01:10:36] Chuck Carpenter: I have no idea.

[01:10:38] Chris Power: Going to the

[01:10:38] Ken Wheeler: Oh, yeah, that’s right. That’s right. Hey, no, no because I I’m turning I’m turning 40 in may

[01:10:42] Ken Wheeler: so I haven’t been to a doctor in like a decade. But like when I turned 40 in may i’ve i’ve resigned to adhering to a doctoral regimen

[01:10:50] Chris Power: Hell yeah.

[01:10:52] Chuck Carpenter: Okay, that’s the cutoff point. I don’t buy it. Let me just go ahead and tell you, I don’t buy it.

[01:10:57] Chuck Carpenter: But I will say, I will say

[01:10:59] Chuck Carpenter: [01:11:00] this.

[01:11:00] Ken Wheeler: run this fucking thing rough, buddy

[01:11:02] Chris Power: He’s got a lot of city miles on him.

[01:11:03] Chuck Carpenter: I rode a 5k today. What’d y’all do?

[01:11:07] Chris Power: You say he rode?

[01:11:08] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah.

[01:11:08] Chuck Carpenter: I have an indoor

[01:11:09] Chuck Carpenter: rower.

[01:11:10] Chris Power: Oh, road.

[01:11:11] Chris Power: Oh.

[01:11:13] Robbie Wagner: That’s what I’ve heard.

[01:11:14] Chuck Carpenter: Well, I am running a 5k on Thursday morning, so.

[01:11:18] Ken Wheeler: Oh you I thought you said you rode like on a bicycle you rode like fucking like

[01:11:22] Robbie Wagner: Like a

[01:11:22] Robbie Wagner: boat Row

[01:11:24] Robbie Wagner: row, row

[01:11:25] Chuck Carpenter: I can’t row on a

[01:11:26] Chris Power: I was thinking an incumbent, incumbent bike. Is that what it’s called? Recumbent

[01:11:30] Chuck Carpenter: No, I have a rower. I have a rower. And I rode a 5k today.

[01:11:34] Ken Wheeler: What road do you have?

[01:11:35] Chuck Carpenter: The concept

[01:11:36] Chuck Carpenter: too.

[01:11:37] Ken Wheeler: Do you like it

[01:11:38] Chuck Carpenter: I love it.

[01:11:39] Ken Wheeler: I don’t have room. I was

[01:11:40] Ken Wheeler: hiking for a

[01:11:41] Chuck Carpenter: room? You have a giant fucking house. Fuck off, you don’t have room. They

[01:11:45] Ken Wheeler: gym, the gym is,

[01:11:46] Ken Wheeler: the

[01:11:46] Ken Wheeler: gym is full. I

[01:11:47] Ken Wheeler: have her peloton bike and then the

[01:11:49] Ken Wheeler: peloton

[01:11:49] Chuck Carpenter: get rid of that.

[01:11:50] Ken Wheeler: So there’s no fucking room for

[01:11:52] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah, fuck that.

[01:11:53] Chuck Carpenter: treadmill’s bad for your knees, especially as you get older. A rower is a full body workout with less [01:12:00] impact on your joints.

[01:12:01] Ken Wheeler: I don’t want to train my shoulders and fucking

[01:12:04] Chuck Carpenter: Yes, you do.

[01:12:05] Ken Wheeler: No, I want to fit into clothes.

[01:12:07] Chuck Carpenter: You know, you want to tone them so they

[01:12:09] Chuck Carpenter: fit

[01:12:10] Chuck Carpenter: in too

[01:12:10] Chuck Carpenter: close. Alright, I’m gonna tell you about

[01:12:12] Chuck Carpenter: cars and We can talk more about this, I’m telling

[01:12:16] Chris Power: All right. Thanks everyone for coming to the Cars and Rowers podcast.

[01:12:20] Chuck Carpenter: We’re starting a side

[01:12:22] Robbie Wagner: Yeah. Sponsored

[01:12:23] Chuck Carpenter: and Rowers.

[01:12:23] Robbie Wagner: Um, we don’t use that

[01:12:25] Robbie Wagner: shit, but pay them every

[01:12:26] Chuck Carpenter: hey Chris, That’s your name, motherfucker, I doxxed you. this is what you’re gonna miss out

[01:12:32] Chuck Carpenter: on. Is,

[01:12:33] Chuck Carpenter: uh,

[01:12:34] Chris Power: Yeah, man. It’s Chris, Chris Power.

[01:12:37] Ken Wheeler: Your last name is POWER?! Your fucking

[01:12:41] Ken Wheeler: name is Chris power.

[01:12:42] Chris Power: My name is Chris Power.

[01:12:44] Ken Wheeler: Holy shit, dude, I’d get that shit in capital

[01:12:46] Ken Wheeler: letters. On

[01:12:47] Chris Power: dude.

[01:12:48] Ken Wheeler: t shirt. Chris

[01:12:48] Chris Power: monogram, I monogram all of my

[01:12:50] Chuck Carpenter: Just says Power.

[01:12:52] Ken Wheeler: even Powers, it’s

[01:12:53] Chuck Carpenter: Do you know that Ice T album, Power?

[01:12:55] Chris Power: Sure, yeah.

[01:12:56] Ken Wheeler: you’re a

[01:12:56] Ken Wheeler: fucking Italian and your

[01:12:57] Ken Wheeler: last name is

[01:12:57] Chuck Carpenter: version of

[01:12:58] Chris Power: I’m also Irish. [01:13:00] Ha

[01:13:00] Ken Wheeler: also Irish, that’s why my last name

[01:13:01] Chris Power: ha. I’m Italian and Irish.

[01:13:03] Chris Power: Like, pretty

[01:13:04] Ken Wheeler: we’re, we’re, we’re really fucking northeastern maxing

[01:13:07] Chuck Carpenter: all

[01:13:07] Chris Power: Oh yeah, dude, I’m total New England fuckin through and

[01:13:10] Chuck Carpenter: Alright, so, , Power, the album, look at that.

[01:13:13] Ken Wheeler: Power what album?

[01:13:16] Chuck Carpenter: Ice

[01:13:16] Chuck Carpenter: T, Power. Look at that cover. Yeah, that’s a t shirt. That’s a Typecraft t shirt. That would be Typecraft and then that. That would be really

[01:13:25] Chuck Carpenter: funny.

[01:13:26] Ken Wheeler: are you in, are you in Arizona right

[01:13:27] Ken Wheeler: now?

[01:13:28] Ken Wheeler: What, what is it like fucking like three in the

[01:13:30] Chuck Carpenter: Yeah. Yeah. My day is over though.

[01:13:33] Ken Wheeler: Rob, you’re, you’re at a firm 530 right now, right?

[01:13:35] Chuck Carpenter: Mm hmm.

[01:13:36] Chris Power: We’re both docked at 530 right now.

[01:13:39] Chuck Carpenter: Wait till I go to Italia and then it’ll be like, oh, it’s 7 30. Fuck you guys.

[01:13:44] Chuck Carpenter: When?

[01:13:44] Ken Wheeler: be like, it’s 11 o’clock at night.

[01:13:46] Chuck Carpenter: Let’s go.

[01:13:48] Robbie Wagner: have to talk like that, yeah.

[01:13:50] Ken Wheeler: I gotta go drink a gallon of fucking wine.

[01:13:53] Chuck Carpenter: uh,

[01:13:53] Chuck Carpenter: uh,

[01:13:54] Chuck Carpenter: uh,

[01:13:54] Chuck Carpenter: uh, uh, uh,

[01:13:56] Chuck Carpenter: uh, uh, the

[01:13:58] Chuck Carpenter: summer.

[01:13:58] Ken Wheeler: summer.

[01:13:59] Robbie Wagner: Gotta [01:14:00] sell your house first, right? Or are you

[01:14:01] Robbie Wagner: gonna say fuck it and go anyway?

[01:14:03] Chris Power: Go anyway, let the bank take it.

[01:14:05] Chuck Carpenter: I was gonna

[01:14:05] Chuck Carpenter: say, Chris Power,

[01:14:07] Ken Wheeler: drive the Porsche to my house when I buy it? And then fly out of JFK?

[01:14:11] Chuck Carpenter: Sure.

[01:14:12] Chris Power: Alright fellas, I gotta run.

[01:14:14] Robbie Wagner: Yeah,

[01:14:15] Ken Wheeler: You got the

[01:14:15] Ken Wheeler: runs?

[01:14:16] Chris Power: I have the runs. I got the runs. Gotta go to the bathroom.

[01:14:19] Chuck Carpenter: Alright, thanks everybody for joining. this is our first happy hour and I hope you enjoyed it.

[01:14:25] Chuck Carpenter: Wait,