RobbieTheWagner 
Adam Argyle Hey everybody, welcome to the first episode of Whiskey Web and whatnot. This is a new podcast by the folks that ship shape myself, Robbie Wagner and Charles W. Carpenter, the third. As my friends call me. Yeah, so we're just it's going to be a pretty informal format and we're going to do a little bit of talking about whiskey and you know, pick a whiskey each time. Talk a little bit about some kind of web topic and then talk about just random whatnot after that and we're definitely looking for suggestions about any of those topics. So if you have any whiskeys you'd like us to try or web topics you're interested in or whatnot, you want us to
talk about. Let us know. So today we're looking at starting with one of my favorite whiskeys which is from Sagamore Spirits. It's a rye and it is 83 proof and it's won a bunch of awards according to their like little tag they put on here. It's a 95 points by the tasting panel magazine and won like 50 times awards. I don't know something like that. But this is a distillery in Baltimore and they actually make all their stuff in Indiana it says. So yeah, I'm not really sure when they'll make it in Baltimore. But I think there's a lot of people that make stuff at some big place in Indiana or I check. Here you go. Yeah, so in the whiskey world there is an influx of these
micro distilleries that are often kicking off their production business by sourcing from other more established distilleries. And in Indiana there is one that has kind of been famous for providing those initial batches to all kinds of places. It's an MGP is the company and that's kind of what they do is they distill and sell out lots of bulk mashed bills from places all over. Sometimes they just come in and that this is like a barrel pick or with distilleries that are just kicking off and don't have all of their equipment they can take the mashed bill from that distillery and make it for them essentially and then ship them a finished product for additional
aging and packaging and whatever else they want to do. So yeah, Sagamore which is funny because I am familiar with that a bit. So Sagamore is another one in that lump and I was a little hesitant to try this one and originally just for those reasons and I am biased since I'm from Kentucky originally that like all things outside of Kentucky are no good but I've matured over time and supporting my partner here Robbie and gave it a shot actually. It is quite good. I was pleasantly pleased. It's a it's a very flavorful ride and all in our inaugural edition of WWW of course I have already ruined the logistics though because as I picked up my bottle of Sagamore I was excited
to see a barrel select pick there and went for that on the plus side is it is one that we have both had some barrel picks from a place here at a Phoenix that's a six-year and this exact barrel we both have shared. So it's barrel number. It's barrel number 15 and that matters because that was the better barrel from what I understand. It was 45 that was less good right? Right, yes. So that applies in so many places you know 45 was just not that great but we've we've moved on. What else does that apply to? Think about it. We just inaugurated our 46th president. Oh okay okay all right but we won't make this a political show. Yeah we won't make this a political
show of course. So yes in the mine is a six-year age it is 110 proof so it's got a little more heat to it and that's really all you need to know we'll give some tasting notes here we should have have a little sip think about it. Yeah yeah. You go on fully neat. I am. Yeah that is my preferred way most times. I even if I'm going to add water or ice a little bit later I want to have it like as the distiller intended as my first taste and then I move into adding some. You're no lame into this particular whiskey though so you know how you like it and for those who can't see video now because we're not doing video. Yeah I'm having
mine neat and Robbie typically has his on the rocks at all times. Yeah yeah that's how I prefer it it just you know cuts the heat a little bit and lets me enjoy the flavors without my mouth burning to death. So have you ever tried mixing it up a little bit with like doing whiskey stones and a little water to still open it up that way or without ocean. Yeah I don't know if I have any whiskey stones still but I've had them I don't know where they went but yeah ice is just easy to like I can just you know grab ice out of the freezer so. Yeah well I will say this in that there was a man once when I was on a tour of Buffalo Trace and the tour guide there he said
you know the best whiskey is the one you'd like and if it's a $20 bottle or a $200 bottle kind of doesn't matter right it's all your personal taste. Yeah definitely and I've tried to use that to not judge others in the way they like to enjoy. All right so for this whiskey we're going to do a scale of number of tentacles that we think it is so a one tentacle is really bad and then eight tentacles would be the best possible score and for me this is probably a seven I would say like I don't know if I've had anything better than this this is my favorite whiskey I would say but I don't think that it's super phenomenal I think it's very very good at what it
does like it's a good ride it's very balanced and they succeed at making it approachable for everyone and and tasty to most people but it might not be 100% the best I guess. Yeah and best is subjective highly in that way so yeah I even with this barrel select bottle so for me I like it because I do tend to like slightly higher proof I want to feel it and this one delivers in that but I can only kind of go so high so 110 is a good safe zone 120 to above tends to just be too hot and really burn my throat this one has so in terms of rice too you know a rye can be high rye whiskey's can be very spicy but very harsh in a lot of ways and this has smoothness so I get a
little like maraschino in the start for me I get woodiness and then it finishes with like a light like orange rinder kind of like that bitterness a little is leftover I get a little burn and then it's it's good we're happy so I also give it a seven actually nice yeah I think a lot it's there's really a wide spectrum of rise you know some of them like barrel 45 I think I don't remember it was 45 exactly we'll say it was was a lot more like a scotch like it was smokeier and more like almost PD and it was like just not as good versus you know you don't know what you're usually getting when you get a rye and I think this is a good like a whiskey lover who doesn't
love every rye would also love this I think it's it's just good all around yeah I agree like it it doesn't it's it's a rye with flavor and not harshness and that you know appeals and I do like rise but they can be like all over the place because they don't have the same regulation in their match bill so it means that it's you know rye first but it doesn't mean you know how much rye is that is that a 50% rye 70% rye 20% rye it can be all over the place so and they also can be aged there's no minimal aging so you can get a rye out there in two years so I don't know what the what was the age statement on your their standard but I mean this barrel select is six years and
you know basically six to nine years for whiskey in general is good for me I see the benefits of that with lighter whiskeys like Irish and scotches and the Japanese whiskeys and scotch style but like a rye and a bourbon like that's really a good zone for me typically yeah this one doesn't say how long it was aged I'm guessing they probably do a lot of mixing of different stuff so it's maybe not an exact age all the time yeah it could be like some two some four you know that kind of thing yeah no perhaps anyone who feels like they could dig into it a little bit let us know if you know otherwise if you know how long it was aged hit us up let us know
now that we've covered the important part yeah so I guess we can move into web now we have a bunch of different things you know we we do web development as our bread and butter it shipshape so we're well versed in a lot of different topics and have a lot of things we have opinions on so we're just kind of picking randomly here I think one of the big issues we've encountered recently is you know a lot of open source projects kind of used Travis CI by default and especially in the Ember community because Travis was built into the Ember CLI blueprints you would get a lot of projects using it and they just decided that they were
going to break everything recently and you know not give you all the hours or yeah hours I guess or minutes or however long they measure their their build times you had to start paying for things and then even if you paid for it it's still done at work so there was basically no way to get your builds to run which is not sustainable for any sort of project that needs builds to run ever so yeah yeah and we have a lot of open source projects and we're distributing them out to the community with an Ember and and otherwise and so essentially they kind of pulled open source support I'm not sure if there was any official announcement on that we just said we just essentially
got to gotten to a situation where you know your stuck and you're trying to push out fixes or features or whatever else and you can't so now what yeah so there's a lot of different CI tools out there and I think the obvious choice that people have been kind of gravitating towards is GitHub actions because it lives right there with your code you know the more stuff you can do in GitHub the better for you know people finding the build and seeing the build status and just writing you know your CI right alongside of all your code in kind of the same area however it is missing a lot of nice features that Travis had I know one thing that I really miss is
having allowed failures and that's kind of integral to Ember's build pipeline so part of the default blueprint is like allow beta and canary to fail so that you can see it'll still run the test in it but it won't fail your build because you're not using beta or canary it's just to see what's coming down the pipeline which is good so you know things are going to break in the future and there's no way to do that in GitHub actions other than allowing all failures like your build can just totally fail and you have to say that's fine so there's no way to just like mark one is this is okay and there's a huge thread about trying to add support for that and you know everyone
keeps plus one thing in and commenting on it and there seems to be no nobody from GitHub that's kind of responded and has support for it yet yeah you can't have like allowed workflows to like because you split all the workflows up and then certain workflows can fail or I don't know yeah right yeah I think it suffers from the fact that it can do so many things like you know what it's not necessarily publicized as cicd that's just one of the things it can do and it's highly configurable to do all kinds of things you know you you're using GitHub actions to like change comments on your pool requests for example if you want it all kinds of very you know granular
and enlarged scale things but that makes it like highly complex to narrow in on specifics and then the side effect of that also is that it's hard to know of what you're doing is going to work so you know you're it's a lot of trial and error and build time and and then you only get so many free minutes so how are you supposed to learn this tool when it's costing you you know like I think what we're more than anything suffering from is there's a there's kind of a gap in in supporting the open source community because as Robbie said there's all kinds of tools that can do this but what we want is what Travis did in that you know bring your open source here and then you know
when you have enterprise things you pay for that but open source is welcome to utilize our tools and with you know GitHub being kind of the all being developer experience model if that it is now like yes there's a free tier but it's you know it's limited right and even when you're paying for it you know we ran into recently Linux builds a minute is a minute and then windows builds a minute is two minutes or four minutes or something and then on Mac builds it's like a minute is 10 minutes so if you have a Mac build that kind of keeps running that you weren't well first off it doesn't have a timeout built in so if it'll just keep running for like six hours is like the default timeout
and then it'll just you know charge you for I only have many is that uh you know 360 minutes times tens of thirty six hundred minutes I guess for a build that you didn't even know was stuck running for six hours and then your default pool of minutes is like three thousand so that happens one time and you're out of minutes which is a huge problem and there's a big learning curve with knowing that that's a problem and then you know there's a big learning curve in general where you just can't debug anything without like adding extra packages to ssh into it and like what's that package that we always install for that uh s it's uh like a it's a team ox package and I can't
remember the exact name but it essentially sets up a uh a shell session for you but you had to like add that and then it pauses there and then you have like a 30 minute shell session so that was another nice thing well I know that circle had that where you could you know click to shell into a build and it was like one button you know push to to get into that instance and uh you like many aspects of actions in these workflows is you can add those sort of things but you gotta search around to find it and it's um you know it's nice that lots of people outside of the GitHub organization can create pre-made actions to utilize but it's sort of like going through
you know the the mpm world and you know there might be ten packages that you would you want or a hundred packages and you've got to like sort it through what aligns with your needs and test that out to decide if you're gonna pull off the shell for now you have to make your own custom action and so on and so forth and yeah it can become a very slippery slope be nice if there was a little bit more support for the open source uh community there and just like I want to test and launch my thing you know I want to publish a package can you just have a default workflow that does that like instead of having to pull those things down so yeah I think they're they're suffering
from there's a lot more demand than they thought there would be this soon you know they kind of it's been out a while now a year or two I don't know when exactly it came out but um they didn't expect everyone to be migrating from Travis and then you know they they just released a macOS 11 um machine the other day um like I don't know months ago whenever big sir came out and uh they are now pulling that back to private preview because there's so many people wanting that and so much demand for the new macOS so they're they're definitely dealing with scaling issues and not really knowing what they're doing yet but I think hopefully they'll they'll get that fixed and
add some of these nice features that we're used to from some of these other solutions well and I think so for one this uh discussion is about a sort of call out to the community like what uh what are other people doing are they making this work or they have they found another solution is there other recommendations be curious uh to know what's working for anyone else I mean it can't really be a binary decision um you you kind of wonder and we don't ever think this way anymore but like you know in in a cloud computing world like perhaps what you need to do now is have uh you know an open source CI solution that you just set up on your own server and just
roll things through there that and that's what will publish your packages as long as it's internet connected and does the one thing really well perhaps that's where where things will go I don't know yeah I have no idea it's outside of my realm of expertise um well I fooled you into knowing that I know too much about it but uh essentially I mean I've configured uh Jenkins services before and I've configured at last he and had a product called bamboo that would run CI CD pipelines and we had on-prem you know private versions of it that it did some things on so like there are tools there that that can
do that that is that are your own thing but obviously there's a management overhead to that possibly over time you have management to set it up and then you know you it has an automatic update or anything happens and you have to restart your own server and now it's broken and so that's that's why we trust the cloud right it's supposed to be a lot more set it and forget it and you know not to um bag on actions because I do think they can do a lot of things it's a clever tool it's just you know maybe it's a little much maybe it's a little overkill yeah yeah I could definitely have some more dumb down basic use cases out there right like me and who knows what they're
working on a lot going on a lot of changes within get hub um you know if they are truly the home of open source projects you know pushing your code and saying I have an open source project and you can you know ask for things like sponsorships and whatnot like what is the great I want to deliver my product where am I pushing it into and being able to push it into registries with just a nice like gooey would be pretty cool yeah definitely yeah I mean we'll see what comes out of all that I guess yeah so that's it yeah our discussion here being more around um the random to this problem we feel like we don't have a great solution but you know things are kind of
working for now um but we don't have confidence and we'd love to have something more set it and forget it and I think like in general people contributing to the open source community don't want to have to think about that all the time right like oh I'm writing an npm package I'm writing an ad on forever you know we brought up the amber um example and that's I think very straightforward I want to contribute to that community I don't want to have to learn about how I get this out to them though yeah and that's the point of like amber blueprints so yeah yeah I mean I think that's one thing amber does really well is makes everything you know the the person building the add-ons or
the plugins and things you're using has to think about all that ahead of time so it's just kind of install and you don't have to worry about it and we could all learn a bit from that and integrate that more into experiences across you know not just GitHub actions but you know anything we're using all frameworks and projects I agree so you were telling me the other day that you bought a bunch of Nintendo games from their sale what did you get from there okay well let me I'm gonna grab the actual switch because I have a poor memory okay so yes Nintendo um their marketing worked for me recently they I have a wish list of items and apparently a number of those items
they became available in a recent sale um the irony is that I have a wish list of a desire to play this switch more frequently and haven't really been able to buy a package to get more time yeah exactly um yeah we'll have to work on that um so I picked up a few uh different ones here I think applying to many age ranges I picked up the Marvel Lego Marvel superheroes too because I've always in the past found those like Lego games really fun I played like Lego Star Wars a bunch different ones of that and yeah same Lego Star Wars is really good we just got a Lego Harry Potter oh I don't know around Christmas time I think when they had another sale
sometime this year they're supposed to come out with a Lego Star Wars Skywalker saga it's gonna like let you play as all these different Skywalker characters and go through you know all the episodes and whatnot so that is exciting I mean to that but not here yet at least not that I've seen um so oh I picked up the BioShock series oh yeah big sale on that collection so I got BioShock the first one the second one and infinite many moons ago I played the first BioShock so I've not even played this BioShock remastered I'm expecting yeah at least a few levels up on gameplay um I oh and I bought one um predominantly based somewhat on the name and somewhat
on this idea behind some weird games um there's a series of a few weird games that I have played this past year based on some recommendations from friends um let's see here I have to look at the names because again uh oh inside one is called and it's like you wake up as this little boy that has been like captured and trapped by these I don't know demon beasts or something and so you need to and you're on a ship and you're ultimately trying to escape from the living quarters of this huge ship and there's all these different crazy beasts like a lot going on there yeah but it's really visually uh interesting too so I went down this uh this path of like
finding these visually different games or that were recommended really one called grays uh okay and again and yeah uh just some graphic designers came up with this game and it's just really beautiful you're sort of just it's a side scroller going through this story but the visuals are very interesting you know there's not a lot of paths to kind of fail in it it's just sort of like how long is it going to take you to get there not necessarily that you won't get there but I found it fun because uh just that it was like nice to look at um yeah so I had a couple down that another funny one is called cuphead and it looks like those old like 30s 40s like cartoons
you know Mickey Mouse and whatever back in the day and yeah you are a cuphead and trying to like shoot your way through the land to save whatever in distress does the cup come into play at all or that's just the character you are a cup yes you are a cup I recommend looking it up the character has a cup head but uh do you can you like use your head to catch and throw things or is it just kind of a graphic piece um well you have this straw coming out of your cup and that like shoots off stuff so I guess you're shooting out the liquid I don't know that's a good good question you really dig it into it and then another one based on this like visual enticement that I haven't
actually played yet any it's called Kentucky root zero so for obvious reasons I was into that and it's like set in the 70s it's a little noir kind of look to it and there's like mysterious things happening happening in this small town in Kentucky and is that like a half like more of a story adventure type of game not like like what's the gameplay like for that don't know I haven't played it yet okay um yeah so all of these that I so bio shock this one um and only briefly uh started up Marvel superheroes like of some Marvel superheroes so I don't know but this is uh you know that got me to purchase because they were half off or more and I felt like well I'll get there
eventually so I want to have these um fair enough yeah I can't I can't tell you a lot about gameplay recently ironically in in in the pandemic it feels like I've spent a lot of time in front of the computer and the less time in front of the switch yeah same as you know but yes do play games sometimes and uh kind of one of the dumbest ones that I've played recently is uh we we play games with uh Rob Kerry and his wife Kelsey sometimes um and Rob finds like stupid games on uh steam that he thinks would be fun to play and uh the most recent one was hand simulator which is literally like you the controls are really dumb like you control each finger separately with
like FDSA and then you control like one arm moving up with like some other key and like twisting your hand is another key and like the mouse moves the camera but only if you click the uh middle mouse button and like the other mouse buttons like the controls are just you would never figure them out just intuitively and then it's just like all about doing dumb tasks with your hands like okay one of the games is no one can use these controls and everyone has to like load up guns and see you can like shoot the other people first or something it's like uh it you know people are just throwing bullets
on the floor and like no one knows like how to use any of the controls and it's I mean it's it's a little bit fun for like you know 10 minutes and then you're just kind of tired of the controls being terrible and it's really kind of a joke game but fun for a couple minutes. Yeah I I can't say you've you've sold me on that one. Sorry Rob I don't think that's gonna happen yeah I wouldn't recommend. I mean games that I actually like I play a lot of Destiny but I haven't anymore recently. I guess I should say I used to play a lot of Destiny. I don't even know what that is but uh I did get an email recently on a game that was also
here we are hopefully don't hear too much clicking on the keyboard but Nintendo marketing works for me and another item on my wish list has gone on sale so I love to hear opinion on Immortals Phoenix Rising. Oh that's one post that Rob also suggests but he like suggests that actually and says that I would like it. So why it's on my wish list and what I had read about because I predominantly have held onto a switch not because of actual opportunity for additional gameplay but because I bought it in the first place for Breath of the Wild like oh this amazing so we all do right and so there's another one coming at some point you know lots of
rumors leaked here and there and who knows but I'm hanging on you know and this game is one of a couple that have been recommended for similar type open gameplay um you know an adventure title open worlds you can wander around there's a path but there's also other things you can kind of do it at your own pace like um and I just found that really fun so I have it on the wish list and anybody who's interested it's on sale until February 18th and I make nothing from your purchase yeah so make no money on this and have no sponsors so all here just to talk randomly to you or each other but yeah I think um we should definitely get Immortals Phoenix Rising and play it
before next time and see what we think yeah we can report back that sounds good yes in that same realm of things and another game that I did play and put some time and even if it wasn't like 15 minute bursts or after the kids went go to bed kind of thing um was Skyrim actually I was years later after most people played it and it became available on the switch and a friend recommended it so much that he actually bought it for me he's like you have to play this here it is Merry Christmas early and uh you know I checked it out started playing came addictive very quickly and I got to a point where I became uh my character was a werewolf and a part of all these
different guilds and had uh I think like three different people following me because I'd finished certain quests just enough to like get a person to follow you but not go through with it all the way and so I had a vampire pirate uh I had a wife I had I built a house I think I owned three houses before it was all done and like was in a thieves guild and uh uh uh uh just crazy stuff all these crazy things you could do yeah Skyrim's really great it actually came out on my birthday um so my now wife bought me that for my birthday uh back then and I played it for many many months and you know years and years later you played it but it also took 10 years it also took a really
long time to be available on an Nintendo platform because Nintendo is always like at least five years behind on graphics processing power in general um but yeah and and they're kind of their intent around that is yeah to have more lighthearted content like they're the family friendly uh company so right there's that too yeah um have you played any of the previous Elder Scrolls like more when then oblivion I haven't I did read a little bit about the history that's how much I was into it at the time I was like wait Elder Scrolls four or five whichever it is oh okay there's a whole thing here and as a kid actually I was into computer games that were more
fantasy based I used to read some of those novels in middle school so I played dungeon dragons actually so that whole like realm of things is of interest to me when you say dungeons and dragons do you mean um like the board game or like a electronic version uh well neither because it was a role playing game so you would just have you know the person as the dungeon master describing and that's what I mean like the physical version or the or the well what's funny about that is that TSR the original gaming company who did dungeons and dragons they also had a board game version that was like just like the fast play board game it was just called dungeon and also played and
I think I have that I remember getting that game again because I loved it as as a kid um so played that as a kid played some of the actual role playing games um you know red fantasy novels comic books all that fun stuff yeah see I played a lot of like Baldur's Gate did you play Baldur's Gate um it's yeah wasn't that like a specific like offshoot of dungeon and dragons something yeah it was it was dnd but like a computer game and then you know it had actual fighting and stuff but it was kind of like turn based and I don't know I don't remember a ton about it's been a while but I know Baldur's Gate 3 is out now in preview so that's another thing we could
check out oh interesting uh yeah I remember it more of them like it was it was a theme in like a series of novels and or um uh different expansion packs you could get for the actual role playing game but I don't think I played the video game when I played either when I played like more like Nintendo PlayStation like games there was like final fantasy was huge um chrono trigger I think was a really big one and when I first started playing these fantasy games there was actually this whole series I had an Atari computer and these games were all text-to-base so there was one of those zork yes there was one called zork that was very I played zork a little bit you go you know
just grabs a room you type in what you want to do you basically type a billion commands until one of them works um yeah that's that's sort of how I got into yeah all those I remember uh plan some games where like you know they would have a little bit of graphics and it would be like uh here's this table and from your perspective it looks like there's nothing on the table and you're like look at table and it's like there's these 50 things on the table and it's like okay those graphics are really terrible you can't see any of that like uh but yeah I definitely am glad that the mouse is now a thing and you can click things and not have to type all that
there's definitely benefits there but as a kid I thought it was super neat so I don't know yeah I mean now you can do that but what you're exposed to yeah now you can do that with like Alexa and stuff be like hey oh describe the table Alexa wait how do you see me yeah that's that's for another show yeah all right well I think we can wrap it up here don't want to make it a too long of a podcast keep it casual for everybody so you don't have to listen to us drone on for hours and hours about whatever so unless you'd like that please let us know yeah we can send you specific recordings personalized to you that are just us talking all day
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